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Schmleff
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posted January 21, 2004 02:16 PM
I got bored
today, so I began the process of converting john's 5sfe intake
manifold to accept the TB from a 22RE. Many picts and details
are to follow, but for starters:
5SFE TB: 1.965" or
49.911mm (call it 50mm) 22RE TB: 2.165" or 54.991mm (call
it 55mm)
5SFE area: 3.04in2 or 1963mm2 22RE area:
3.68in2 or 2375mm2
More to come...
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posted January 21, 2004 04:03 PM
sweeet.
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schreindogg
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posted January 21, 2004 05:03 PM
Sweet. I am
in the process of fitting a 7MGTE throttle body that I got for
free to my spare 5SFE manifold. I can get some pics this
weekend if anyone is
interested.
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Schmleff
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posted January 21, 2004 06:32 PM
Here we
go.
Side by side, it should not be too tough to tell
which is which:
In raw form:
Bead blasted and coolant line junk
removed:
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Schmleff
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posted January 21, 2004 06:33 PM
In the
lathe getting the first inlet step tapered:
From this picture, you can see the inner step, and the
screws, all of which are about to go away:
Step gone, part of right screw remains:
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Schmleff
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posted January 21, 2004 06:35 PM
22RE
Manifold donating its mounting flange:
After a spin on the lathe, we get this little
gem:
The stock 5S intake awaiting treatment:
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Schmleff
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posted January 21, 2004 06:36 PM
After a
bunch of time with a file, the manifold has been opened to the
new 55mm dia. Adapter is sitting on it too:
Here is what it will look like. I will Tig weld the
adapter to the intake tomorrow. Then I just have to open the
ports up on the other side to match the head. Notice the
Allison 250 turbine in the background. Can you say 318hp from
170 pound engine?
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Hooligan
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posted January 21, 2004 07:14 PM
I wish I
had access to a full machine shop like that...
Looks
awesome, Jeff!
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posted January 21, 2004 07:15 PM
You rule. I thought the TB was bigger then
that? Guess not. It looks nothing less then awesome.
John L.
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Schmleff
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posted January 21, 2004 08:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by schreindogg: Sweet. I
am in the process of fitting a 7MGTE throttle body that I
got for free to my spare 5SFE manifold. I can get some pics
this weekend if anyone is interested.
after hogging out the manifold for the 55mm, you will
be hard pressed to find enough metal to remove to fit a 65mm
tb, if that is what the measurement is.
What have you
measured as the narrowest part of the tb? I ran into the egr
stud just going to 55, you will surely have to remove the stud
for your tb.
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posted January 21, 2004 09:29 PM
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posted January 22, 2004 12:08 AM
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posted January 22, 2004 06:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dr.Auto: Jeff!!! I
am very impressed, I wish I had access to all that
equiptment too. Theres alot of stuff I'm doing that I have
to pay somone elst to do and I can't afford to purchase
equiptment like that right now. I still need to figure out
how to post pics here cause I have a few photos of my
megasquirt project and my lightened flywheel project if any
ones interested. Just can't figure out how to upload
them.........Help??????
if you wanna send them to me ill put them up for you.
hit me up on AIM
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posted January 24, 2004 01:23 PM
That's
awesome man! Thanks for the many pics to show your processes.
The man has some mechanical skill.
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Flyspyder55
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posted January 25, 2004 11:50 AM
the mk3
supra TB is 60mm. its a bolt on upgrade for 22re's so it
shoudl work here too.
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Schmleff
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posted January 25, 2004 05:31 PM
If the bolt
pattern does indeed line up, that is good. I measured the TB
size it its narrowist part. The stock is 50, not 55 as so many
have stated. If the supra TB is 60mm, there will have to be
more material removed from the intake manifold.
I have
been working on smoothing the ID of tb as of friday with 120,
220 and 320 grit paper. Next is a buffing with a wheel and
compound.
Someone please post some picts of a 3m TB!!!
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Schmleff
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posted January 26, 2004 08:58 PM
I just
spent the weekend in Doniphan MO. Wow they got both kinds
there, country and western.
Anyway, here is what I am
talking about. In the folloing picture, you can see the
sharpie line drawn on the intake. That is the material that
needed to be removed to take advantage of the bigger TB. A
total of 5mm, and that took a while to do. If you were to go
to 60mm, wow, that would be close to the sides. You can take
out the egr stud, but then you will have to weld a cover plate
over the egr hole.
I did bid on a few MKIII supra TB's.
Still waiting to get one cheap. I am willing to build our
other stock manifold to accept the 60mm, and I will port and
polish it too.
But this does leave me with 2 stock 5S
TB's.... Hrmmm, what to do... I do have a spare 4afe intake
manifold lying around...
EDIT: Da, forgot to add picture
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posted January 27, 2004 09:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Schmleff: You can
take out the egr stud, but then you will have to weld a
cover plate over the egr hole.
Weld a cover plate over the egr hole? you didn't take a close look at the one thats on the
car now did you? Matt and I used a part of a Montana license
plate and JB weld to fix that.
Should we really scrap
the 5S for the 3SGTE in the fall? My brain is having 2nd
thoughts. John L.
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Schmleff
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posted January 27, 2004 10:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by John L:
quote:
Originally posted by Schmleff: I just
spent the weekend in Doniphan MO. Wow they got both kinds
there, country and western.
Anyway, here is what I
am talking about. In the folloing picture, you can see the
sharpie line drawn on the intake. That is the material
that needed to be removed to take advantage of the bigger
TB. A total of 5mm, and that took a while to do. If you
were to go to 60mm, wow, that would be close to the sides.
You can take out the egr stud, but then you will have to
weld a cover plate over the egr hole.
I did bid on
a few MKIII supra TB's. Still waiting to get one cheap. I
am willing to build our other stock manifold to accept the
60mm, and I will port and polish it too.
But this
does leave me with 2 stock 5S TB's.... Hrmmm, what to
do... I do have a spare 4afe intake manifold lying
around...
EDIT: Da, forgot to add picture
Weld a cover plate over the egr hole? you didn't take a close look at the one thats on
the car now did you? Matt and I used a part of a Montana
license plate to fix that.
Should we really scrap the
5S for the 3SGTE in the fall? John L.
You and matt had the studs out? I never looked that
close.
The 5S will have to live on in your
gt.
Anyway, the tb is now mounted to the intake. She is
soaking in a chemical bath for the night to get the rest of
the oil and carbon out. I also made a block-off plate to get
rid of the entire TB heat part. Picts
tomorrow.
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posted January 27, 2004 10:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Schmleff:
quote:
Originally posted by John L:
quote:
Originally posted by Schmleff: I just
spent the weekend in Doniphan MO. Wow they got both
kinds there, country and western.
Anyway, here is
what I am talking about. In the folloing picture, you
can see the sharpie line drawn on the intake. That is
the material that needed to be removed to take advantage
of the bigger TB. A total of 5mm, and that took a while
to do. If you were to go to 60mm, wow, that would be
close to the sides. You can take out the egr stud, but
then you will have to weld a cover plate over the egr
hole.
I did bid on a few MKIII supra TB's. Still
waiting to get one cheap. I am willing to build our
other stock manifold to accept the 60mm, and I will port
and polish it too.
But this does leave me with 2
stock 5S TB's.... Hrmmm, what to do... I do have a spare
4afe intake manifold lying around...
EDIT: Da, forgot to add picture
Weld a cover plate over the egr hole? you didn't take a close look at the one thats on
the car now did you? Matt and I used a part of a Montana
license plate to fix that.
Should we really scrap
the 5S for the 3SGTE in the fall? John
L.
You and matt had the studs out? I never looked that
close.
The 5S will have to live on in your
gt.
Anyway, the tb is now mounted to the intake. She
is soaking in a chemical bath for the night to get the rest
of the oil and carbon out. I also made a block-off plate to
get rid of the entire TB heat part. Picts
tomorrow.
I don't think we took the studs out, I didn't see any
in there? We just covered the hole.
Hummm, I was
thinking of trading in the GT in the spring for a *cough*
truck. We will see. I though you had plans of S/C the GT? Not
with PAECO parts still in there I hope. My brain is
hurting. John L.
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Schmleff
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posted January 27, 2004 10:50 PM
you might
have to sell me the gt
then.
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posted January 28, 2004 03:04 PM
Heh, I just
got my 65mm TB today...I started laughing out loud when I saw
how big it was.
John, you know how you were trying to
get a pop can in your old TB? Well, you can toss one in here
and there's even room for it to wiggle!
So now I don't know about this 65mm
business...seems too large to me.
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Schmleff
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posted January 28, 2004 03:27 PM
I am now
trying to make the throttle position sensors work. The 22re
uses a four wire system, with a variable resistor. The 5S and
the 4A both use a three wire system. I have to figure this
out. Anyone know anything DETAILED about
TPSs?
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Schmleff
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posted January 28, 2004 03:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hooligan: Heh, I just
got my 65mm TB today...I started laughing out loud when I
saw how big it was.
John, you know how you were
trying to get a pop can in your old TB? Well, you can toss
one in here and there's even room for it to wiggle!
So now I don't know about this 65mm
business...seems too large to me.
I may be wrong here, but dat ainaguna fit no 5S
manifold.
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BiscutWheels
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posted January 28, 2004 06:05 PM
sure
do...
there are 4 wires as you said.
- **** one
is for the incoming signal - **** one is for the idle
position - **** one is for the WTO position - (n/a)one
is for the inbetween positions
EDIT: you need the wires
marked ****.
all you need to do is get the conector
with sone pig tails and splice TPS wires to 5S-FE TPS
connector wires. I don't have my manual here in my room (keep
it in the car), but that is all you should have to
do.
Nate
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Schmleff
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posted January 28, 2004 08:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BiscutWheels: sure
do...
there are 4 wires as you said.
- ****
one is for the incoming signal - **** one is for the
idle position - **** one is for the WTO position -
(n/a)one is for the inbetween positions
EDIT: you
need the wires marked ****.
all you need to do is get
the conector with sone pig tails and splice TPS wires to
5S-FE TPS connector wires. I don't have my manual here in my
room (keep it in the car), but that is all you should have
to do.
Nate
OK, I have the colors of the wires based on a
schematic. The problem I see is that the variable resistor is
in the 225e circuit all of the time, when the 5S sees an open
between idle and wot. So, just leave the wiper on the resistor
open?
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posted January 28, 2004 11:13 PM
hooligan,
is that 65mm TB from a supra? if its too big for you hold on
to it for a bit, i may have a use for
it.
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