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    Smile turbo vs n/a

    Which do you prefer?
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    I like n/a for the pure motor aspects of it.
    But LOVE boost for the sound and feeling of it, between my trac and sti I don't know if ill ever go back to n/a...... until the frs
    .... then back to boost when the brz sti (if produced) comes out haha

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    Das Boost.

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    I like NA because you are able to avoid an entire system of plumbing under your hood, plus the added weight.

    In general, most of my "project" cars are also daily drivers, so I like to avoid the extra fuel consumption.

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    I like boost!! But I base what I want off what the car will be used for.

    DD I would prefer NA. Better mileage and less shit to break.

    Everything else, BOOST.

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    Displacement and N/A for the sake of reliability, torque and lack of spooling.

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    My car gets 29mpg on the highway.

    Displacement doesn't equal reliability. That is stupid. I've owned many troublesome V8 motors. The more power they made the more drive train parts I broke. Pay to play. Maintenance is key. In my experience, if you leave a motor stock and maintain it properly it will give you little trouble. As soon as you start to mod it then be prepared to spend your money. That goes for any motor N/A or F/I.

    IMO, most of the people who make these arguments have never left the N/A realm and have no real experience to make the comparison.

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    Stock would be a better answer.

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    Hook is right.

    The 3s that is in our alltrac has run great for years with little more than basic maintenance. Yet, the 5s's (yes 3 of them) in our 6gen have given me nothing but trouble.

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    I guess I took the question when it comes to modification on an engine. Whether to leave it and build it N/A or go turbo. I personally like the simplicity that comes with a N/A workhorse.

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    It seems as though the OP was just asking for preference.... If that is the case, I prefer forced induction cars.

    Not looking at cost, reliability, fuel mileage.... Looking strictly at personal preference, I'm all about the boost
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    Most turbo engines are capable of better fuel economy than their NA counterparts.

    Ive personally gotten 36mpg in my MR2. Yes, in my MR2. On a 3S, running 15 PSI at the time. On a roadtrip through the high plateau regions in Wyoming, and through Grand Teton national park, and Yellowstone. My Celicas best is 36mpg as well.

    If you take care of it, lets say for the sake of arguement, stock for stock, 3S vs 5S, I believe the 3S to be every bit as reliable, and maybe even more so reliable than a 5S.

    In general, with the way technology is rolling, Id still rather have a turbo. Me likey da boosta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luni View Post
    Me likey da boosta.
    that pretty much sums it up right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luni View Post
    Most turbo engines are capable of better fuel economy than their NA counterparts.
    I have heard this but have always been skeptical.

    I mean, theory seems sound to me, engine gets to recycle some kinetic energy that would otherwise be dissapated in the exhaust. But I havn't really ever seen it work in practice, not that it's somthing I've looked into extensivly.

    Of course, once you are at altitude, I have no trouble believing FI cars are superior for fuel and power.

    Would be fun to test a good 3SGE against a 3SGTE bone stock both in front wheel drive cars.

    If anyone has any good information on this, let me know, it's somthing i've been interested in.


    From the reliability standpoint, I have a hard time believing turbocharging has much of an edge. I mean, moving beyond anecdotal evidence, it seems hard to believe that any system with five or six additional components and that routinly builds up intake and exhaust preasures and temperatures far in excess of anything a NA counterpart would ever see would be more reliable.

    Now it would be easy to believe that automakers may use superior engineering and materials in the construction of a turbo motor, but that wouldn't help the case of forced induction's superior reliability.

    Of course we are talking about preference, so I can obviously see how many would take turbo over NA, I mean vroom vroom!

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    Don't you still have to pay for premium on a turbo? With the prices lately, that's like $5 more per fill-up from an empty tank.

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    Around here premium is .20 cents per gallon more than regular. So that's $3.20 extra to fill a bone dry tank if that ever happened. Well worth the smile.

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    There's also NOTHING simple about making all-motor power. FI is much simpler, IMO.
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    I <3 Boost

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    Reliability....no such thing.

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    I've seen Mercedes Turbo diesels with 400,000 plus miles. Never even had the valve cover off. Original turbos that are only oil cooled. The difference is MB people spend money on maintenance. A small displacement turbo will get better economy than a large N/A, off boost. A smaller n/a you'll have to ring the snot out of to get moving. Not fun for me. An S2000 is fun on the dragon but sucks everywhere else. Ultimately I'd rather lay down torque at lower RPM's. Either big-n/a or small-turbo. It's more pleasurable to drive. Less hectic.

    Plus with big n/a, you can't increase your power with the turn of a knob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Captain View Post
    Plus with big n/a, you can't increase your power with the turn of a knob.

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    Lol, that reminded me of a guy I work with who has a Z4 with a turbo button. He tells everyone that he has a turbo. I've tried to explain it to him but it's no use.

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    boost. i have even looked at boosting my sequoia's 3UR-FE! but unfortunately the wife did not approve lol

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    After having a turbo car, I'm going to do my best from here on out to always have one. I love the power it makes and at least with the TMIC, I don't have noticeable lag when I hit the gas.

    As far as reliability, mine has been as good as about anything I've had. Most of the trouble that I have experienced has either been caused be me or my son, not the car.

    As for gas mileage, I average 22-24 driving back and forth to work and have seen as high as 29 on the highway. My theory is that most people that claim the 3SGTE is unreliable haven't kept up on the maintenance and just drove the piss out their car. You do that, regardless of NA or forced induction, things are going to break and the car is going to be unreliable.
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    How much more boost lag do you have with a fmic?

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