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    Default Heel and toe problems due to distant pedals...

    I dont seem to able to heel and toe in my celica... i just cant reach the throttle pedal, its too far in compared to the brake even when i brake hard.... i was wondering if anyone else had this problem????

    im gonna do some work to my throttle pedal to move it up and closer to the brake pedal...

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    buy a 3rd gen, that maes it real easy

    if you get a set of aftermarket petals, it helps
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    And here I am bitching cause I think they are to close together...

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    They're close together side to side but far apart in height. Getting aftermarket pedals help. I even added some spacing under the accelerator and that definitely makes it much easier.

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    i wear size 13 extra wide converse, those help too
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    ^^^ lol..

    im gonna dismantle the stock pedal and bend it out further then make my own pedal face.... hopefully i can get it right!

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    For my '06 Elise the throttle pedal is too low in relation to the brake pedal, making it hard to heel and toe. (the reverse is true for '05s)




    I added a Razo RP61 competition Ti pedal using all spacers provided, be sure to use loctite. Works great when I wear Puma Speedcats since the pedals are spaced close, it was the height issue that prompted this little mod:








    Its been over a year and the pedal is as tight on the accelerator as the first day, other owners also use this mod and found no issues. Good luck.
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    i find the "depths" spot on for heel and toe- IE as my brakes bite the brake pedal is low enough to be nearly level with the throttle?

    I did find fitting a pedal extension at an angle helped with the spacing issue.
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    I like the RAZO set, i might invest in one, plus itll match my knob , but never knew how it would mount to the pedal, how does it work? and what makes it universal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murgatroy
    And here I am bitching cause I think they are to close together...
    ditto. I don't even heel to toe, more like left side of foot right side of foot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Q
    i find the "depths" spot on for heel and toe- IE as my brakes bite the brake pedal is low enough to be nearly level with the throttle?
    Then flush out your brake fluid and adjust your master cylinder.

    You shouldn't have that much play in your brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox 21 Alpha
    ditto. I don't even heel to toe, more like left side of foot right side of foot....
    That's how it goes with Japanese cars. German cars are different because the pedals usually mount on the bottom.

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    I'll go ahead and expose my relative ignorance in this department for the sake of learning. I have yet to track a vehicle..........that is my preface. But when I'm out on the road and practicing different driving techniques and trying to develop them into a second nature, I find it difficult to see where heel/toe becomes advantageous. For the most part I devote my left foot for the brake and the clutch while my right foot is devoted to the throttle. I can't envision a scenario where I'll be disengaging the clutch with my left foot and braking with my right foot. The way I see it, my feet should always be on go or stop unless shifting and shifting is pretty much done anywhere outside of the entry of a turn and the turn itself. So what am I missing here?
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    You're coming in at 100mph, 4th gear. The max speed at the apex of the corner is say... 40mph.

    When you're coming out of the corner you'd want to be in 2nd gear. So explain how you'd get from 4th gear to 2nd gear without heel-toe downshifting, while maintaining traction.

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    So heel/toe is for gear/speed matching? I didn't think of that.........told you I'd learn something.
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    Glad to be of help.

    Yeah it's to ensure that you're able to get into the right gear while you're bleeding off speed going into a corner, that way you'll have power coming out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoreanJoey
    Then flush out your brake fluid and adjust your master cylinder.

    You shouldn't have that much play in your brakes.
    True, with a recent flush and all brakes in good condition my brake pedal grabs pretty high.

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    I can practicly work the clutch brake and gas with just one of my giant feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoreanJoey
    You're coming in at 100mph, 4th gear. The max speed at the apex of the corner is say... 40mph.

    When you're coming out of the corner you'd want to be in 2nd gear. So explain how you'd get from 4th gear to 2nd gear without heel-toe downshifting, while maintaining traction.
    Remove foot from gas pedal

    Place foot on clutch, depress

    Move car to neutral

    Use other foot now off gas pedal onto brake pedal, slowly depress.

    Move stick to 2nd, remain clutch pedal in

    Finish braking to slowest point (should be at apex)

    Move foot back to gas

    Apply gas, slip clutch to retain traction

    Remove foot from clutch

    Apply full throttle.



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    I think KJ's point was that at such a high speed you can't get into a lower gear without keeping the rpms up. So with your feet on the brake and clutch and your rpms falling towards idle how are you going to go from 4th to 2nd? You're not going to get in gear............
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRkt01
    I think KJ's point was that at such a high speed you can't get into a lower gear without keeping the rpms up. So with your feet on the brake and clutch and your rpms falling towards idle how are you going to go from 4th to 2nd? You're not going to get in gear............

    meh.. I dunno.

    I get what the point is.

    Though, people should practice rev matching way before they try doing heel toe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trance4c
    Though, people should practice rev matching way before they try doing heel toe.
    100% true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRkt01
    I think KJ's point was that at such a high speed you can't get into a lower gear without keeping the rpms up. So with your feet on the brake and clutch and your rpms falling towards idle how are you going to go from 4th to 2nd? You're not going to get in gear............
    Is this what's supposed to happen?

    I can move my shifter from 5th to 1st at 35 mph with the clutch pedal depressed and the revs at idle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciento44
    Is this what's supposed to happen?

    I can move my shifter from 5th to 1st at 35 mph with the clutch pedal depressed and the revs at idle...
    What happens the moment you engage the clutch?

    If my rpms aren't matched the syncros wont let me engage the gear.
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