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    what kind of exhaust are you talking about for a "mild build"? in my case, i have a 5sfe in the st184 celica gt... as many Non-all trac/GT4 owners know, it's really hard to find any aftermarket parts for the celica st/gt/gt-s. therefore, i was curious what you ment by that...as in a custom built exhaust system or is there an aftermarket one you know of?

    -also (sorry if it's a stupid question...but i've gotten mixed answers and just need this straightened out) since the celica gt has virtually the same chassis as the all trac...will an aftermarket exhaust system compatible for the all trac bolt onto a gt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toyota_JDM
    what kind of exhaust are you talking about for a "mild build"? in my case, i have a 5sfe in the st184 celica gt... as many Non-all trac/GT4 owners know, it's really hard to find any aftermarket parts for the celica st/gt/gt-s. therefore, i was curious what you ment by that...as in a custom built exhaust system or is there an aftermarket one you know of?
    Unfortunately I'm not really familiar with Celica aftermarket exhausts. It's the size of the pipes that matters most though. Next would be the smoothness because a crimped pipe acts smaller and so does a restrictive muffler or cat. Length is kind of set by how long your car is but if you want to play with that it will probably have to be by trial and error.

    -also (sorry if it's a stupid question...but i've gotten mixed answers and just need this straightened out) since the celica gt has virtually the same chassis as the all trac...will an aftermarket exhaust system compatible for the all trac bolt onto a gt?
    I doubt it would be bolt on but I bet it could be made to fit. Maybe someone who has done it will chime in.

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    It won't work as the routing that each systems piping takes is vastly different. (angles...)
    If you are going to spend a few bills, custom may be the route for you. Find a manifold catalytic converter and muffler of your choice and have a local shop put it together for you.
    I only suggest this as it may actually be cheaper than picking up a specific kit simply to tear it apart and have it put back together.
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    yeah i was thinking that custom is the best route. thanks for the information, i appreciate it. thanks to you guys, i now have the answer i was seeking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowlife25
    It won't work as the routing that each systems piping takes is vastly different. (angles...)
    If you are going to spend a few bills, custom may be the route for you. Find a manifold catalytic converter and muffler of your choice and have a local shop put it together for you.
    I only suggest this as it may actually be cheaper than picking up a specific kit simply to tear it apart and have it put back together.
    im goin custom for mine.. 2.5 from the header back

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    i cant find 5sfe cams anywhere but on ebay they have 3sge and gte cams for $99

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    ^^ I think crane makes Cams for 5sfe, 3sge cams will not work on a 5s head ... if you look at the Ge/GTE heads and a 5sfe head youll realize right away the difference since its a slave cam design.
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    what is a good cheap header and where do i find one

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    thanxx for that turari , now i know a little more of what to do if im goin to get some power for my car.

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    Just out of curiousity, are there any 3sge heads that can be fitted to a rev. 1 5s. Gonna have to pull the head soon for a bad valve stem seal, and was going to be replacing some other stuff while I was in there being as shes at 230k and never had the head off.

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    Short answer. Yes. 86-89 3sge

    There is a thread on how exactally to do it. i cant find it at the moment

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    http://www.celicatech.com/forums/sho...highlight=5sge

    Heres the other:

    http://www.celicatech.com/forums/sho...highlight=5sge

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    What about stock manifold as we can't run headers is there any difference from one stock one to the next

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    There are two factory 'headers' that fit the 5SFE, the Rev 1 3SGE header off of a 4th Gen Celica GT-S and the `97?-`99? Camry with a 5SFE.

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    Tahts cool seems the camry header would be easier to locate but is ther a performance gain in the earlier one to warrant a harder search?

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    hey mrTurrari, ur pm box is full. any chance u have a list of the parts you are using or planning to use. my first step is to source and buy all the parts, before i take out my engine and rebuilt it. i plan on replacing everything i can replace with better stuff.
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    would a safc-2 work on my 90 celica because im not sure where the mafs is at or if i have one

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    I'm running a header on my 90 gt-s and noticed little to no difference in performance. It sounds faster tho...
    also running a K&N filter, and a glasspack muffler on stock piping w/ resonator. Its pretty quiet.

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    If ya want 5s power without turbo, I'd suggest the 3sge head. You can find them in a you pull it yard. You'll need at minimum the head, intake manifold, and throttle body, timing covers, the dizzy and possibly more too.

    if you want the headache you can make the stock 5s ecu work, but you have to modify the throttle body, and the distributor and run a custom setup to activate the tvis system (or delete the tvis)

    Or you can just take the entire 3s topend, w/ the timing covers, sensors, dizzy, wiring harness, ecu, maf, ect. and put it on the 5s block. basically like swaping in a 3sge without having to remove the block.

    Probably your best option, may have to solder some wires but better than the ghetto method of using the 5s ecu and stuff. Oh also if you go the 5sge route the cam grinds will seem slightly more mellow than in the 3sge due to the extra displacement, and it will push the torque curve slightly lower in the rpm range than a 3s (maybe 200-400 rpms). needs more lift/ duration to have the same powerband.

    when I rebuild my 5s I'm probably going this route w/ 272 cams, oversized valves, and a port and polish. then again I'm also crazy and don't give a rats ass about idle quality
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    Or you could always supercharge or use a 100 shot

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    supercharger is forced induction...just saying.

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    true enough, but its not a turbo. figured it was worth mentioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unarmed View Post
    If ya want 5s power without turbo, I'd suggest the 3sge head.
    Sorry but this kind of post is the exact reason why I made this thread. Because people like to make the idea of swapping heads and rewiring the engine bay sound simple and inexpensive when it is nothing of the sort. These kind of things also do not buy you any performance by themselves. If you build a 5sge and actually want it to perform better then a 5sfe you need a whole 3sge swap and a whole bunch of custom mods. Whatever head you choose determines 95% of the other parts you must use. You need all the electronics, sensors, ECU, and everything that plugs into it. You also need rods and custom pistons. So the only parts you keep from your 5sfe will be the block and crank and in the case of a 5sge your flywheel and transmission. You can also use the 5s oil and water pumps but you should at least upgrade the oil pump unless you are starting with a rev2 or better yet use one from a 98+. If you cheap out and use the 5s rods you will likely have a rod failure down the road because of the bolts and if you use stock 5s pistons you will loose compression which will translate into less power not more and you will have an interference engine.

    In my opinion it is far easier an more economical to build a 5sfe to perform like a 2.2 liter 3sge would. I mean you are going to have to replace all the parts with performance ones anyway so why not just use what you have? The hardest part is upgrading the intake manifold because you have to go custom. Just look at the performance build I list at the beginning of this thread and add in the "going to town" parts. I am building my second one of these now and doing it on a budget that is less then most 3sgte swaps. The first one I built is being turbo charged but it is very impressive even without the turbo.

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    Its not impressive. Not a all. Dont listen to him. Hes a 5SFE loving hippie.
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    get a 3rd gen 3sge which are dirt cheap. Or better yet buy a 3sge beams redtop. I have one myself and you will not be disappointed. Now finding a good quality used Helical LSD is going to be another thing. Get your hands on a quaife helical lsd. Brand new they cost around $1,100

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