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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWOT
    Holy hell, way to spam the crap out of the ATS "hello" thread

    If you want to inquire as to 5S parts, why don't you make a new thread, in this forum?

    And all the newer 3S blocks have the same corrections as the 5S blocks in terms of the casting.
    Maybe.. but there are still alot of people in the Celica community that are on the fence with these issues.. lets admit it, more celica's came 5S than 3S compared to the MR2 world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luni
    Ok, Manny, question though, not to be an ass, Im truly wondering.

    After all the time, and money you have in your car, do you still truly believe, youre better off than a 3S setup?

    In the end, was it worth it to go with a 5SFE or would you have been better off with a 3SGTE to start? Be honest. Cause to me, after everything is said and done, I still have yet to see ONE example of a 5SFTE being a BETTER choice, money/performance wise. It seems to always cost more money to get the same, or less performance to do it right.

    I really want to know, and this is pertainent to the thread because if you could list a formula, or an idea, maybe they would see it as beneficial and make it. Otherwise, everyone else Ill bet is under the same impression as me, that it just isnt worth the time and money to make a performance engine out of a 5SFE when you have 3SGTEs sitting around left and right and its an easy swap.
    for me, yes, the 5sfte is the better choice.
    i will NEVER swap.
    especially after ive seen first hand what some of these "swaps" look like.
    now, when your talking 5th gens, a swap is the way to go.
    i have a few theorys on swaps, rob, lots of which people wouldnt like.
    its all just opinion.
    its all a matter of goals, and money. period.
    gimme a call sometime man, i'll yell in your ear a while, it'll be like old times...
    heres some food for thought.
    99.9% of swappers that ive seen have had 3-4 major issues with therye swaps.
    ive been driving my 5sfte DAILY for 2.5+ years, 35k+
    only problem ive ever had was a frozen map sensor.
    how many swappers can say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by presure2
    for me, yes, the 5sfte is the better choice.
    i will NEVER swap.
    especially after ive seen first hand what some of these "swaps" look like.
    now, when your talking 5th gens, a swap is the way to go.
    i have a few theorys on swaps, rob, lots of which people wouldnt like.
    its all just opinion.
    its all a matter of goals, and money. period.
    gimme a call sometime man, i'll yell in your ear a while, it'll be like old times...
    heres some food for thought.
    99.9% of swappers that ive seen have had 3-4 major issues with therye swaps.
    ive been driving my 5sfte DAILY for 2.5+ years, 35k+
    only problem ive ever had was a frozen map sensor.
    how many swappers can say that?

    I would have to agree with manny. Ive seen his work and have to say he knows what he is doing. I would trust him to setup my car with a 5sfte setup anytime. Something i would consider someday. A lot of swappers on here ive read have ran into nothing but problems. The only successful ones that have done it right and thats with a front clip of a gt-4 with everything needed to swap.

    What i can't understand is why doesn't anyone understand having 2.2l is better than 2L. the bottom end is stronger and your getting more torque. Just my two sense. I guess its more of preference more than anything else.
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    extremeskills, it isnt a matter of 2.2 vs 2.0 in my book in THIS discussion, its a matter of a shitty F head vs a free flowing G head.

    5SFE does NOT have a stronger bottom end.

    And to go with what Manny said, Ive seen his work too, and I know beyond a doubt if he were to perform a swap, it would function perfectly, and not be glitchy like half of the swaps hes talking about.

    My stock 3SGTE had 172k miles on it before it died. Im not necessarily comparing swap work, Im comparing engines. And overall, with information and parts available, the 3SGTE is still the better choice. Manny truly is the exception, and even at that exception, if he had as much time and money in a 3S as he does in his 5S, I truly believe he would be making more power. Maybe not have that fatty nice torque curve he has, but I think hed be making more HP. He likes his fatty torque curve tho, and I can see his engine and setup being better to him, but in general, you have to admit, when youre talking about performance setups, and referring newbies to the info, you would sooner tell someone to swap than to turbo a 5S, or even do NA work to a 5S if you want power. To me its just common sense.
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    ATS built my stroked 3S-GTE. im finally building the turbo system to support it. cant wait to see what it makes
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