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    Hi,

    My girl friend has a bone stock 01 Celica GTS. I have a spare TD04-13L from my WRX and the intercooler to go with it. I was thinking about turbo charging it but I do not know where to go to find information on it.

    So many questions...

    1. Will the rods take the stresses of 6-8psi boost?
    2. What size injectors are good so that I could use an S-AFC2 piggyback?
    3. What other mods will need to be done?
    4. Any turbo celica gts owners out there? What are your thoughts into this?

    I have a feeling this is going to be my new forum hangout...

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    Engine internals are good for it, but I'm not firmiliar enough with the ECU to answer the fueling questions.

    Other mods are going to be a custom exhaust manifold and downpipe obviously. Oil feed (easiest to tee off the pressure switch/sender), need a return into the pan as well.
    I really like the way aaawelder put it: "do not include yourself in this circuit"

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    i wonder how those vvti-l engines handle the boost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWOT
    Engine internals are good for it, but I'm not firmiliar enough with the ECU to answer the fueling questions.

    Other mods are going to be a custom exhaust manifold and downpipe obviously. Oil feed (easiest to tee off the pressure switch/sender), need a return into the pan as well.
    That's good to know. Now, I need more input on the tuning. I use an AEM EMS on my car, but I would like to stay closer to stock on this since I do not want to have her worry during those problematic cold starts and other problems standalone ecus usually exhibit.

    Any turbo GTS owners out there who could drop in some suggestions??

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    I COMPLETELY STOLE THIS!!!

    We have some 7th gen celica members on this site, and a few that have modded their 7th gens with turbo's. We have HUNDREDS, of people on this site who have installed some type of forced induction on their celica, mr2, supra, or other platforms. Saying that, newcelica.org is home to most of the turbo 7th gen owners. I am registered over there as well. If you questions, we can most likely answer it here. Enjoy your stay, and welcome.

    For reference, this is newcelica.org' s entire FI sticky.

    I COMPLETELY STOLE THIS, THIS IS NOT MY WORK.

    This thread addresses most commonly asked questions when someone is trying to decide if they should go with a turbo charger for their car. The information in here is based soley on the feedback of people who have already installed turbocharger systems on their Celicas, and on information provided by leading experts in turbocharging and tuning the 1ZZ and 2ZZ Celica engines. Its a long thread, but please take the time to read it fully, and follow any of the links that address the subjects you are interested in - you should find the answers you are looking for.

    If you have a question that this thread does not address, please feel free to ask, and to suggest that we add it to the FAQ. Likewise if you know of some information that should be included in this thread and is not, please reply to the thread with that info and I will add it to this FAQ

    1ZZ or 2ZZ powered MR2, Corolla, Matrix or Elise owners please feel free to contribute as well.

    If you are wondering if Forced Induction is right for you I think this quote from Jlitman pretty much sums it up nicely:



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    Originally Posted by jlitman
    How deep are your pockets?

    If very shallow, then no, do not boost.

    If moderately deep, then go ahead, but keep in mind if problems arise, you will go broke fixing them.

    If very deep, sure go for it. Why not.

    If exceedingly deep, save yourself the trouble and buy a faster car.





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    What is a Turbocharger? How does it work?
    Link to info on turbochargers: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/searc...ms=Turbocharger


    What is the average cost for pre-made kit purchase, installation and tuning
    17 people responded to poll that have kits. Of them 2 said over $12,000, 3 said $8000-$12000, 3 said $6000-$8000, 5 said $4000-$6000, 3 said $2000-$4000, and One said less than $2000
    What is the average Cost for custom kit purchase, installation, and tuning
    5 people responded to poll that have custom setups. Of them 2 said it cost over $12,000, 1 said $6000-$8000, 1 said $4000-$6000, and one said $2000-$4000
    Link to Poll and thread on cost of setups: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199219


    What size Turbo should I choose for my power goal
    Link to turbo sizing thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=256391


    What is the average time to install and tune a turbo kit
    12 people responded to poll. Of the 12 33% said 5+ weeks, 33% said 1-2 weeks, 1 said 30-40 hours, 2 said 16-20 hours, and 1 said 10 hours or less
    Link to poll & thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199220


    Who do people Have install their kit? Do they do it themselves?
    21 people responded to the poll
    Did it theirself - 28.5%
    Self & friends - 28.5%
    Someone from knowledgeable from the board - 14.29%
    Professional Shop - 28.57%
    Link to poll & thread on kit installation: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199222

    Link to the Do It Yourself Turbo Thread:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205725


    Who do people Have Tune their kit?
    15 People responded to this poll
    Self - 20%
    Self & friends - 20%
    Paid Someone knowledgeable from board - 13.3%
    Professional Shop/Tuner - 46.67%
    Untuned - 0%
    Link to poll and thread about who folks had tune their car: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199223


    What Boost do People Run on stock internals safely?

    FIRST - read this thread explaining the limits of boost on stock and modified internals: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=243977

    Once you read that thread - here is some more information
    1ZZ
    Daily / normal use: 6-8 PSI is most common, some run as much as 11 peak
    High Boost (racing): 10-11 PSI is most common, some run less
    No Boost related failures have been reported
    2ZZ
    Daily / normal use: 6-7 PSI is most common, some run as much as 8.5 peak
    High Boost (racing): 7-8 most common, some as high as 12
    Some boost aggrivated failures have been reported, none directly cause by increased power / boost however.
    Link to thread with detailed data on 1ZZ and 2ZZ boost levels: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199277
    Link to thread with highest power stock internals 2ZZ:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=217180


    How much power do turboed Celicas make?
    1ZZ
    HP 192 - 240 WHP
    TQ 160 - 202 Ft/lbs
    2ZZ
    HP - from 240 - 327 WHP
    TQ - from 170 - 243 ft.lbs
    Link to thread about power levels: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199282
    *Note* - More potential exists on both motors as folks known to have more power than this have not replied to the survey


    How satisfied are people with the various kits and just the turbo 7th Gen in general?
    Link to satisfaction thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199280


    What kind of gas Mileage do folks with Turbos get?
    20-25 MPG on average is most common. Aggresive driving SERIOUSLY affects this number
    Link to Gas mileage thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199278


    How will this affect the reliability of my car?
    Running moderate boost on a GOOD professional tune is fairly safe. Running double digit boost and/or no tune is cruising for trouble. Many of the kits and installs tend to be problematical in and of themselves


    What should I change about the maintenance schedule for my car once I get the turbo?
    My reccomendation is to cut all time and mileage reccomendations in half/ Also see Mike Lu's Turbo Maintenance Thread:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=156497


    How will this affect emissions / CARB eligibility?
    Turbo kits are NOT carb legal on the 7th Gen Celica. They are probably emissions-illegal in most of the other 49 states as well. If you are lucky enough to live in a non-emissions area or one that does tailpipe only, we are all jealous of you!


    Do I have to get my car tuned if I install a turbo system?
    YES!!!! You need to have an Engine Management System of some sort, and you need to get it tuned as soon as possible after installaiton. The stock ECU will NOT be able to handle fuel managemant with different injectors and will NOT be able to fuel to teh correct air fuel ratios for a forced induction car.


    What can I do to start learning about Tuning the car and what systems are available?
    The Best system is the Power FC
    Second best at this time is probably E-Manage
    S-AFC does NOT work
    Split second systems work but not as well as the Power FC or E-Manage
    There is an Autronic SMT4 system in development
    AEM makes a great Standalone EMS (Engine Management System) that has to be custom installed and tuned for the 7th Gen - no-one has done it yet
    There are rumors that Hydra is working on a standalone for the Celica
    For more info and to learn about tuning please go here: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=208
    or
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199806


    At what point do I need to upgrade my fuel system? What changes should I make?
    In my opinion this is a MUST for folks going forced induction. Leaving it stock just isn't safe. You will probably need to upgrade your injectors and fuel pump.


    What are the best gauges to get?
    This topic is VERY opinion based with regards to manufacturer so please just follow the thread below. For what its worth I feel that a wideband O2 with gauge and a boost gauge are the only essential ones.
    Link to gauge thread:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=230936



    What about Rear mounted turbo systems?
    Rear mounted turbos do function but are not as efficient as front mounted - theres a ton of info in this thread:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/sho...light=expansion


    What other changes should I make?
    Colder plugs are a must. Denso and NGK are the 2 brands to go with.


    What problems have people had with their kits?
    Link to thread about problems: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199394


    I have heard the transmissioin may fail at a certain power level? What power level is it?
    Link to the Transmission thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199395


    Do I need to upgrade my clutch?
    Yes you do.
    Link to thread about what clutches people use and how well they work: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199457


    What octane gas should I run?
    You should run the highest octane pump gas available, and race gas when racing (103/104 unleaded is good) Do not run leaded gas


    Is there anything else I can do to protect my motor when boosting?
    Yes there is - Water injection is a very inexpensive form of insurance against detonation. Check out Aquamist or Snow Performance for some nice kits.
    Link to Aquamist: http://www.aquamist.co.uk/
    Link to US based aquamist retailer: http://www.urdusa.com/index.php
    Link to snow performance: http://www.snowperformance.net/
    Link to a good thread on water injection: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213917



    I heard there is a difference in some of the newer GTS (2ZZ) cars that makes it more difficult to turbo - is this true?
    Yes. The 2003 and newer 2ZZ powered GTS uses a drive by wire throttle system that makes it impossible to use the Power FC without a conversion to a cable throttle from 2000-2002. Most 2003 owners use E-Manage or Split Second. Additionally in 2004 Toyota added an Air Iinjection System to the exhaust manifold / head areas that means a flange for a 2000-2003 Turbo kit will NOT work on a 2004. The 2003 and newer GTS also uses a different connector configuration and pinout - the wiring for the 2000-2002 does not apply.
    Link to picture of 2003 ECU: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/sho...+wiring+diagram
    Links to pics of the 2000-2002 ECU:
    http://www.newcelica.org/other/inst...er/fd6c9ecc.jpg
    http://www.newcelica.org/other/inst...er/fd6c9ec4.jpg
    http://www.radphys.com/DIAGRAMS_ENGINE_ECM_GUIDE1.jpg


    Is there an engine I can swap in thats better for boost than my engine?
    If you have a 1ZZ yes, swap in a 2ZZ. Otherwise not really. Some people have done the 3S-GTE but its a royal pain, costs a fortune and doesn't net you much gain for the money. More info here:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=187790'

    I want to race my turbo car - is there someplace I can find information on how to do that and what the differences are?

    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250513



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    Checklist for someone who is going to turbo their car

    ___ Get a compression check done - were all cylinders within 10 PSI of eachother? Were they above factory minimums?

    ___ Check the brakes - make sure they are in good shape (you will need them a LOT more after the turbo)

    ___ Check all tires - make sure they have good tread depth and pressure is correct

    ___ Switch to GOOD quality (Chevron) high octane fuel at LEAST one tank before turbo install. 93 octane is best but if 91 is all you can get in your area then use that

    ___ Clean the MAF

    ___ Purchse 6 quarts of oil, a new Toyota Oil filter and 3 quarts of transmission fluid - you will change al these components at the time of install

    ___ Purchase colder spark plugs to install with kit

    ___ Purchase a tube of black Toyota FIPG (silicone gasket maker)

    ___ Purchase about 6-10 cans of brake parts cleaner

    ___ Purchase a gasket scraper if you don't have one (razor blade stype works best)

    ___ Purchase tuning solution (power FC or E-Manage)

    ___ Purchase upgraded fuel injectors and pump

    ___ Purchase upgraded clutch and pressure plate

    ___ Purchase boost gauge (install before kit to make sure its working)

    ___ Purchase Wideband with Gauge (install before kit to make sure its working)

    ___ Purchase good boost controller. Install at same time as kit.

    ___ Purchase upgraded exhaust (the more free flowing the better)

    ___ Purchase complete Turbo kit or purchase everything reccomended in custom turbo kit link

    ___ Set aside money for tuning & dyno time - it will need to be done immediately after kit is installed

    ___ Put aside a minimum of a $500 reserve for incidentals.

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    2ZZ Known Kits:

    2ZZ
    Manufacturer - Smaay big boy
    Link: in progress, for now just PM me here
    Availability - Currently Available for '00 - '02. 03+ will need management. 2 week turnaround
    Turbo(s) offered: Turbonetics for now, negotating for Garrett's
    WG Spring: 11 PSI
    HP Gain: 200 +/- Wheel HP
    HP Potential: 350 - 600 WHP w/ Proper Mods
    Fuel Management: None, Power FC recommended (basemap included
    Price: $3800.00

    2ZZ
    Manufacturer - Smaay little boy
    Link: in progress, for now just PM me here
    Availability - Currently Available for '00 - '02. 03+ will need management. 2 week turnaround
    Turbo(s) offered: Turbonetics for now, negotating for Garrett's
    WG Spring: 7 PSI
    HP Gain: 100 +/- Wheel HP
    HP Potential: 250 - 350 WHP w/ Proper Mods
    Fuel Management: None, Power FC recommended (basemap included)
    Price: $3400.00

    2ZZ
    Manufacturer - TurboKits.com
    Link: http://www.turbo-kits.com/celica_turbo_kits.html
    Availability - Currently Available for '00 - '05 MY. Usually in stock ready to ship.
    Turbo(s) offered: GT28RS, GT2871R, GT2876R Garrett Dual Ball Bearing
    WG Spring: 7-8 PSI
    HP Gain: 100 +/- Wheel HP
    HP Potential: 250 - 400 WHP w/ Proper Mods
    Fuel Management: Yes, Full Kit includes piggyback & injectors. Standalone optional
    Price: $4495.00

    Manufacturer - C2 Power
    Link: http://www.c2power.com/
    Availability - Currently Available for 2000 - 2002 MY only at this time
    Turbo(s) offered: GT28RS
    Price - $3590 *** Stage 2 kits are available for higher power levels and may include internals???

    Manufacturer - Haas Turbo
    Link: http://turbokits.com/celica_turbo_kits.html
    Availability - Currently Available for '00 - '05 MY. Usually in stock ready to ship.
    Turbo(s) offered: GT2871 or Stage II GT28RS
    WG Spring set to 8 PSI
    Price - $4995


    Manufacturer - SF (Stafford Fabrications)
    Link: ?????
    Availability - No longer in produciton - used only
    Turbo(s) offered: T3 Super 60 and later T3/T04B
    Price - N/A - used only sold for $3500 new

    Manufacturer - XS Engineering
    Link: http://www.xs-engineering.com/xssto...3&idproduct=634 or http://www.xs-engineering.com/
    Availability - Supposedly they will make to order - call for info (probably long lead time) - This kit is ONLY for 2000-2002 MY GTS
    Turbo(s) offered: IHI VF23
    Price - $4995 included Power FC and injectors

    Manufacturer - Turbo-Performance
    Link: http://turbo-performance.com
    Availability: Made to order or Used
    Turbo(s) offered: T3 (6 PSI external wastegate)
    Price - $3,400
    Notes: Does not include fuel management. Manifold needs reinforcement or it can crack.

    Manufacturer - Brashboy
    Link: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/sho...eferrerid=20980
    Note: no known orders have been made for this kit from the Newcelica.org members

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    1ZZ Known Kits:


    Manufacturer - TurboKits.com
    Link: http://www.turbo-kits.com/celica_turbo_kits.html
    Availability - Currently Available for '00 - '05 MY. Usually in stock ready to ship.
    Turbo(s) offered: GT28R (GT2560R), GT28RS, GT2871R Garrett Dual Ball Bearing
    WG Spring: 5-8 PSI
    HP Gain: 75-100 Wheel HP
    HP Potential: 250 - 400 WHP w/ Proper Mods
    Fuel Management: Yes, Full Kit includes piggyback & injectors. Standalone optional
    Price: $3995.00


    Manufacturer - C2 Power
    Link: http://www.c2power.com/
    Availability - Available for all 7th Gen GTs (I think?)
    Turbo(s) offered: GT28R
    Price - $3590 *** Stage 2 kits are available for higher power levels and may include internals???

    Manufacturer - Haas Turbo
    Link: http://www.hassturbo.com/
    Availability - Currently Available
    Turbo(s) offered: GT2871
    Price - $3995

    Manufacturer - SF (Stafford Fabrications)
    Link: ?????
    Availability - No longer in produciton - used only
    Turbo(s) offered: T3 Super 60 and later T3/T04B
    Price - N/A - used only sold for $3500 new

    Manufacturer - DA Sports
    Link: http://www.dasports.net/
    Availability - No Longer Available except used
    Turbo(s) offered: K04
    Price - $3500-$4200 depending on options

    Manufacturer - Turbo-Performance
    Link: http://turbo-performance.com
    Availability: Made to order or Used
    Turbo(s) offered: T3 (6 PSI external wastegate)
    Price - $3,400
    Notes: Does not include fuel management. Manifold needs reinforcement or it can crack.

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    Other useful turbo links:

    Boosted2.0 's Turbo thread
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=144139

    SF kit install Guide thread
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=185808

    Engine Parts, Tuning Parts, fuel system parts, other cool stuff - Monkeywrench Racing

    Technical Resource for Toyota Manual, wiring diagrams, etc:
    http://techinfo.toyota.com/

    Thread with info about high HP applications:
    http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=166520

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    So to answer your question... Like us, our factory ECU is not able to cope with the larger injectors. You will have to invest in some type of management such as the Apexi Power FC (we have a few members on here that use this system).

    Good luck!
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    Thanks alot for the response Sean! I will take the time to read everything.

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    the VVTL-i engine LOVES BOOST!!!! im making 545WHP in mine and that was at 3000 ft and 95 degrees. if i was down in the Los Angeles valley at sealevel, i might have topped 600
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    I was hoping you would help out in here Smaay

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    How much psi to reach this 545whp? What kind of turbo?

    Thanks

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