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01-21-2018, 10:30 PM
My wife & I were dead set on trading in the Mazda CX-7 for the Toyota 4-Runner. Just about 3 hours ago I got a panic call from her saying it wasn't starting. Get there, two attempted jumps, a battery test and a tow truck later it's home in the driveway and patched up (hot-start style issue, B+ to starter was corroded pretty bad). Now we're just done with the nickel & dime repairs this thing has been doing (more like $300 repairs since it's under warranty).

We're gonna go next weekend and start shopping again -- but not for the 4Runner. Since she's driving about 50 miles RT a day for work we're leaning towards a car for the fuel economy.

We rented a Camry (can't remember if '16, '17 or '18) and thoroughly enjoyed it for the weekend road trip to Cali. We have it somewhat narrowed down to Mazda 6, Toyota Camry (possibly Hybrid), Toyota C-HR. Honda wouldn't be out of the question but I haven't been in one for many, many years.

The only real requirements are back seat room for a 6' person (oldest son = 6' tall).

So Cliffs --

Toyota Camry
Toyota C-HR
Mazda 6

01-22-2018, 12:02 AM
Personally, I'd stay away from the C-Hr. Under powered with one of the worst CVTs in the business. I have read nothing good about the transmission in it. The engine is a 3ZR 2.0L. If I remember correctly, it makes 144HP. The biggest kick is the rear seating. I went to the auto show today and sat in one. I'm a big guy and I fit. BUT it is like sitting in a diving bell. The main rear window is maybe 12" wide and about 10" high. Not place I would want to ride for an extended period. Another thing that makes no sense for the segment is no AWD. It's available in overseas markets, along with a manual trans and several different engines and a hybrid option. I think the biggest issue with the vehicle being the way it is, is that it was originally going to be a Scion and Toyota hasn't made any adjustments to content yet. Similar to the 86. Although the '18 86, while adding two additional trim levels, didn't change that much, if any, from the '17 or the FRS.

I haven't driven one of the new Camrys yet but I have been in several. Nice car. Big upgrade from the prior model. The new 4 cylinder, model name is A25A, is a good engine so far. Makes over 200 HP in the Camry. The V6 is the GR Kai that went into production 2 years ago. Main difference for the Kai is that it has direct injection in addition to the port injection. It's the D4S system. Both have the new 8 speed transmission. We build both transmissions and both of the engines. The transmission seems to be pretty good so far. The main complaint I've seen in print is the shift programming. The media says it's programmed more for fuel economy than performance. Although one our QC goes that does teardown and installs in the fleet vehicles say that it shifts pretty good and he hadn't noticed the slow shifts and such. My suggestion would be to drive one and see what you think.

As for the 6, I've read good things about it but haven't driven one.

So Cliffs, avoid the C-HR, drive the Camry and the 6 and see which you like.

01-22-2018, 12:25 AM
Thanks Mike -- that's awesome.

We've rented a camry for a vacation last year or so (it was a 16/17 year I think) and we enjoyed it. Plenty of umph, highway passing, etc. We've also been in the 6 as well. We just went and car hopped at the dealer through all them (C-HR, Camry, Accords, Civics). All seem well and everything is in the same price point we're looking (low 20k).

I think it's gonna come down to how my wife buys vehicles.

"I like that one I want it.".

She's very much so a visual buyer. She leaves all the research up to me. Once I decide on what to get (or narrow it down to 1 or 2 for her to pick between) she does the visual shopping. I have to say right now the Camry is in the winning list just off of past history with them and how they re-designed the 2018 model.

01-22-2018, 01:13 AM
Why the hate for Ford?

The Ecosport and Escape would fit your needs and by much cheaper than an import option.

01-22-2018, 01:50 AM
No hate, she's just a very visual buyer. She doesn't like how those are styled.

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01-22-2018, 02:05 AM
That is why my wife has no input on what my money buys her.

01-22-2018, 02:17 AM

She brings about 1/3rd of what I do. This is her car and what she'll be driving all the time. I just took a gander at the Ford line and I don't think she'll go for the ecoboost and the explorer is out just on fuel mileage alone (17/24). Her car is listed at 20/28 and averages about 21mpg total right now (according to the fuel economy thing on the dash).

Ford is like 2 blocks away from the Toyota dealer so we can take a walk there and check them out though.

01-22-2018, 02:23 AM
Ecoboost and Explorer?

I meant EcoSport and Escape. We almost bought an escape clone many years back when we looked at a Mazda Tribute. I just don't think she'll go for the new escape though. Visually and the fuel economy is just about what we're getting now. The Ecoboost is already out just looking at it. Looks too much like a Juke IMO.

01-22-2018, 02:55 AM
I will be honest, the Ecoboost is on the shortlist for when the wife gets her new car. We may go with an Outback, because it has more room for the dogs, but I am really keen on the Ecoboost.

01-22-2018, 01:34 PM
Tim, IMO the only option here is the Camry.

One of the guys in the club just had his '15 Mazda 3 burn to the ground because of a hard interference on the fuel injector wires. It caused them to short and start a fire. Thankfully, he had parked the car and was in the house when it happened. It just sucks to come out to ashes where you had left your relatively new car.

To Murg's point, have her take a gander at the new Taurus or Fusion....

01-22-2018, 03:08 PM
We're going to check out some of the similar competitors before we completely pull the trigger. Just off what we have always been chatting on the Camry is on the short list for us (to the point I put in an app with TFS for 0.9% and have notes out to my banks about getting pre-approvals lined up).

I haven't been in a new Ford for a while - hopefully they aren't following Chevy/GMC and doing that plastic-y interiors. The inlaws have a new(ish) Equinox and Truck. The interiors just look too toyish for our liking. Even the rental Cruze and Malibu we just as crap.

01-23-2018, 12:17 AM
I saw an EcoSport at the auto show yesterday. Not a bad looking little ride. Key word being "little". It looked to be to be a bit bigger than the Chevy Trax.

With your boys Tim, it would probably be on the small side. Just my two cents.

The Captain
01-23-2018, 01:01 AM
I think it's great to see Lexus helping Toyota in competing for the prestigious "ugliest front grill" award. Even the lowly Corolla is equally as ugly as the flag ship LC500. The relentless pursuit of hideousness.

I'd buy a Kia Optima before I'd buy an ugly ass Camry.

And I'm a hardcore Toyota guy.

01-23-2018, 01:07 AM
I wish you would tell us how you really feel!

The Captain
01-23-2018, 01:47 AM
I can be sooo vague! LOL!

01-23-2018, 01:56 AM
Yeah, honestly, check the Kia Optima out, I'd stay away from Hyundai Sonata the interiors feel... ugh. Also, consider a Nissan Altima.

01-23-2018, 01:44 PM
I would stay away from the Altima unless you enjoy the sound of standing under a tin roof in the rain.

I've never been in a car whose roof/headliner offered such little sound dampening, it made my head hurt.

01-23-2018, 04:32 PM
We actually like the nose on the 18 Camry.

Toyota was the last stop yesterday on the 'tour de' dealers'. She saw the one I originally picked out for her and said that is the one she wanted. We'll be heading back tonight to sign paperwork and get it on a lease (help wash the equity on the Mazda).

We won't do Nissan for the reason BloodMoney stated. We had one for a rental and it was HORRIBLE on the drive. Road noise was unbearable at times. Couldn't hold a conversation with it.

Hyundai & Kia are out already. Won't do business with that company again after our Accent issues we had.

01-23-2018, 04:41 PM
What model are you getting Tim?

01-23-2018, 05:04 PM
The SE.

She really likes the blue crush with the black/grey wheels and dark leather/cloth mixed interior. The LE interior was too cheesy looking in the macadamia.

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01-23-2018, 05:16 PM
The SE is a good choice. It's got the better suspension and is a nicer car all around. In my opinion anyway.

01-23-2018, 05:33 PM
The SE is a good choice. It's got the better suspension and is a nicer car all around. In my opinion anyway.

Winnar. That's the reason for the SE over the L/LE. On road trips I drive it. Driving up to the mountains I always take the fun way through the Salt River twisties.

01-23-2018, 05:40 PM
Getting the 4 or the 6?

01-23-2018, 05:44 PM
Well now I see the SE is 4 cyl only. It should move along well. We might have built the engine here at the plant. Definitely built the transmission.

01-23-2018, 06:50 PM
Yea SE is only 4. If we go XLE/XSE then we can get the 6 but one of the primary reasons for the new car is fuel economy. The V6 has the same mileage that we get now (she's averaging between 21-22). Did the math and we'll be saving about $120-150 in fuel costs a month alone if it gets the 38mpg.

01-23-2018, 06:57 PM
One of the managers here has a new SE and he' averaging over 39 MPG on a 30+ one way drive to the plant and has seen over 40 at times. Very impressive for a mid size car like that.

01-23-2018, 08:11 PM
That's great to hear. Her commute is 25 miles one way. Morning is highway speeds (50-70) and afternoons slower due to traffic but around 40/45ish.

01-23-2018, 08:27 PM
Based on what Jacob is seeing she should get some really good mileage out of the car.

01-24-2018, 02:23 PM
Deal fell through. Couldn't get the numbers to line up where we wanted them too.

It was affordable but we didn't want to push our budget too far.

Oh well. Time to make love to the Mazda. Hopefully it knows how close we were to leaving it there last night it'll behave now.

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01-24-2018, 02:25 PM
How many Toyota dealership are there in your area?

01-24-2018, 03:37 PM
Plenty. We went to the closest one and have no problem with them. They weren't push, holding stuff hostage (ie. keeping our keys/license), etc. There are few more within a 20-30 minute drive. Honestly we can probably make it to every toyota dealer in the Phx Metro area within 30 minutes.

01-24-2018, 04:05 PM
I figured there would be. There are 3 here and there were a ton in San Antonio. Might be worth checking around. Camry is selling OK but the sedan market is still soft.

01-25-2018, 01:25 AM
Little hardballing....


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01-25-2018, 01:46 AM
Dealer called back. Got it for 2500 down and 299 a month.

Not ideal, but we're washing 6k in negative equity and it's lower than our payment now. Payoff on the Mazda still was 33 months out. Spending a bit more on the Camry but no breakdown concerns and unexpected 300 dollar repairs.

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01-25-2018, 03:41 AM

01-25-2018, 03:55 AM
Congrats Tim! You've helped my bonus this year!

01-25-2018, 02:41 PM
Hahaha. You're welcome Mike.

It was almost 9pm when we got home. Need to take it back and have the detailer do a better job on it. The new car film they peel off left marks when it was peeled off. Gonna get a better detail on it and remove the dealer branding. I hate cars with dealer logos on the back of them. Yeah I know its advertising but it just annoys me to see it.

I'm sure glad she was there though. I would of purchased the Blue Camry LE instead of the SE if they had the LE in the darker interior. Turns out the LE was a different hue of blue. Blue Crush vs Blue Streak Metallic.

We now have two Toyotas in the driveway that are 30 years apart in age.


01-25-2018, 02:52 PM
Looks good Tim. I saw one at the auto show that was in a dark blue green color, something Mica. That was gorgeous. I like the blue you got too. It's really sharp in the sunlight.

I know what you mean about the dealer stickers/plates on the cars. I was relieved that they didn't slap one on the 86. The dealer that received it has these HUGE plastic chrome plates they stick on the back. Something like 2" by 5" and they always put them in the worst spots & usually crooked. At least they don't drill holes in the body and install the plates with Barrell nuts anymore.

01-25-2018, 02:53 PM
Congrats Tim!

Sure is a pretty car.

01-25-2018, 09:10 PM
Now the funny shit.

I filled out the TFS financial stuff first and also did the Costco auto stuff.

Got a call from the Costco guy Monday​. Went in and saw him, talked to him Monday.

Set new appointment Tues night with him. Get there and he was busy. He hooked us up with another sales guy and the sales manager (old Costco program guy).

Initially we said no. I told the new sales guy (and texted the original one) the decision. New sales guy called back and we were able to come to terms and walked out last night with it.

Today at just after 9am I get a call from the dealer. I answer thinking they need something stupid. Nope, it's original sales guy asking if I'm still interested in the car. I ask him if he's talked to sales guy #2 he pawned us off on or the sales manager. He said no. I proceeded to say well we came to an agreement and we left last night with it.

Then again...at 11:30 this morning I try another call from the dealer. Answer again and its the SAME ORIGINAL SALES GUY ASKING IF IM STILL INTERESTED.

I proceed minorly lose my shit and ask him to please speak with his sales manager and not to call again.

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02-06-2018, 05:18 PM
Yet again...

Goddamn Robert called from the dealer asking if I'm still interested in buying the Camry. Seriously they need to up their CRM game.

02-07-2018, 12:49 AM
Hey, at least they are tenacious! Stupid, but tenacious.

02-07-2018, 07:02 AM
One of the managers here has a new SE and he' averaging over 39 MPG on a 30+ one way drive to the plant and has seen over 40 at times. Very impressive for a mid size car like that.

Heard too from a buddy how impressive the mpg. He who owns an SE.