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Blackpegaz
03-11-2017, 08:50 PM
Hello,

Recently, I encountered difficulties to use my manual gearbox (S54). After 218 000 km in 22 years, time has come to change drivetrain parts, such as clutch kit for the first time.

I already ordered new master and slave cylinder.

Could you help me to confirm what I found on the net ?

1 - Is this theory good in my case ? :

pressure plate (3S-GTE) + clutch disk (5S-FE) [20 splines] + bearing (5S-FE or 3S-GE) + flywheel (3S-GTE)

2 - Regarding aftermarket parts, can I mix an ACT Clutch kit with a Fidanza flywheel ? Or is it better to put only ACT parts ?

If you have any advice or link to information, I'm of course interested.

Benjamin

Celica GT ST202 - 1995

celica91gts
03-12-2017, 11:04 PM
No sure about question number 1. I'm sure someone else will know. But for question number 2 its totally fine to have different brand flywheel and clutch/ pressure plate. Only the clutch and pressure plate need to be from the same kit.

bloodMoney
03-13-2017, 02:12 PM
1 - Is this theory good in my case ? :

pressure plate (3S-GTE) + clutch disk (5S-FE) [20 splines] + bearing (5S-FE or 3S-GE) + flywheel (3S-GTE)

2 - Regarding aftermarket parts, can I mix an ACT Clutch kit with a Fidanza flywheel ? Or is it better to put only ACT parts ?


Hi Ben, Welcome to CTech!

Maybe its a dumb question, but why not just order a proper 3SGE clutch kit? The only reason guys in the US need to piece together clutch kits is because the 3SGE was never available here.

However, if you insist on piecing together a kit, you are correct, 3S Flywheel, PP, TO Bearing; 5S Clutch disk.

Just an honest opinion here, but I would stay away from the ACT HD Press. Plate. I had one in my 91 alltrac and hated it. We put a stage 1 Exedy in my wife's 88 alltrac and the pedal feels so much better.

Blackpegaz
03-13-2017, 06:46 PM
Hi Ben, Welcome to CTech!

Maybe its a dumb question, but why not just order a proper 3SGE clutch kit? The only reason guys in the US need to piece together clutch kits is because the 3SGE was never available here.

However, if you insist on piecing together a kit, you are correct, 3S Flywheel, PP, TO Bearing; 5S Clutch disk.

Just an honest opinion here, but I would stay away from the ACT HD Press. Plate. I had one in my 91 alltrac and hated it. We put a stage 1 Exedy in my wife's 88 alltrac and the pedal feels so much better.

Hi bloodmoney and celica91gts,

Drivetrain parts for ST202 are limited to OEM parts in France (clutch kit from 80 to 130 dollars). Upgraded parts can be found on UK site like fensport.co.uk but It's not really cheaper (than US) and feedbacks are rare.

Since I purchased the car, I tried to replace "tired parts" by better parts (Tein coilovers, Mishimoto radiator, whiteline front sway bar...). Car condition is not perfect (also because it's a daily), but I really like to drive it and I want to keep it.

For example, if you say me that an Exedy OEM clutch kit is equal to an ACT, I would buy one.

It's more a question of emotion and feeling, than "simply" to put a new part. :bigsmile:

Regarding flywheel, I read some posts where people talked about issues when assembling fidanza and aftermarket pressure plate...

Thank you

Ben

bloodMoney
03-13-2017, 08:57 PM
Ah. I understand now. Thanks for clearing that up.

One of the things you can do, is call the clutch company directly to see if you can do a custom kit.

There are quite a few guys that like South Bend Clutch (http://www.southbendclutch.com/). Most reviews are that they are very accommodating with piecing clutch kits together. Unfortunately, I have no personal experience with them, so I cannot give a 100% firm suggestion to go there.

I do, however, have had no complaints with the Exedy clutches that I've had in my cars. Maybe find an Exedy distributor close to you and give them a call to see if they can put together a custom kit for you?

underscore
03-16-2017, 02:32 AM
Why are you replacing the flywheel? Unless you want a lightweight one for whatever reason, just get your OEM one machined.

Blackpegaz
03-16-2017, 10:15 PM
Why are you replacing the flywheel? Unless you want a lightweight one for whatever reason, just get your OEM one machined.

I want a lightweight flywheel. I ordered a Fidanza unit.



There are quite a few guys that like South Bend Clutch. Most reviews are that they are very accommodating with piecing clutch kits together. Unfortunately, I have no personal experience with them, so I cannot give a 100% firm suggestion to go there.


Thank you for advice and information. ;)

In fact, Southbendclutch uses geoip to block access from countries like France
I saw their products by using a VPN. It's always interesting.

To begin, I will try the new flywheel with a 3S-GE Exedy OEM clutch kit.

Žusty
03-17-2017, 06:50 AM
I'm running a TRD sports disc and cover with a lightweight Jun flywheel in my ST202 3S-GE, just remember to use the Toyota throw out bearing

Blackpegaz
03-17-2017, 08:51 PM
I'm running a TRD sports disc and cover with a lightweight Jun flywheel in my ST202 3S-GE, just remember to use the Toyota throw out bearing
Do you like this setup ?

Regarding Toyota throw out bearing, a friend gave me the same advice ("anormal noise with an aftermarket unit").

bloodMoney
03-17-2017, 09:25 PM
Do you like this setup ?

Regarding Toyota throw out bearing, a friend gave me the same advice ("anormal noise with an aftermarket unit").

That is very sound advice. The 3rd clutch failure in my 204 was due to an aftermarket bearing failure.

Žusty
03-21-2017, 04:39 AM
Yes setup feels great, very sporty feeling

Blackpegaz
04-22-2017, 06:59 PM
I found the reason of my problems...

New parts will be installed after a cleaning step. ;) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170422/f56480f9be43ecdde910b585a4221028.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170422/348a65f9e7204c5dd75e7b724cf591c6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170422/8d768001650841f3b9454bfd9dff7b8b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170422/6161f5fcf9f2cc8c67b59fda997fa258.jpg

KoreanJoey
04-24-2017, 05:14 AM
Yup. Done that one before.