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Huaraches
11-11-2015, 02:48 AM
https://vimeo.com/145349701Running a swapped st184 on a 90 gt, i have voltage and have tested my starter at autozone, fuses are good but it wont even crank its just quiet and all u hear is the ecu clik ? Or perhaps the starter relay witch is on the pasenger side kik panel

Huaraches
11-11-2015, 02:51 AM
I also ecu checked codes and nothing, also checked the fp by jumping it on the diagnosis box

crymson
11-12-2015, 05:30 AM
Does the clicking correspond to the key being turned? I know you said you checked the starter, but the starters on most Toyotas use a drop solenoid, which has two contacts, when they touch there is an amount of material lost from one side (I can't remember whether it's the anode or the cathode), and after a while they wont start even though the plunger drops (making the clicking sound) because one of the contacts has worn away. I've seen this a lot on the ZZ motors, but the S motors have the same kind of starter motor.

It it's a manual you can try push starting it. If it'll start and stay running it's a good chance it's either the battery or starter.

Huaraches
11-12-2015, 04:23 PM
The click happens when i turn the key with the clutch engaged

crymson
11-12-2015, 04:58 PM
That really sounds like the starter or battery to me.

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Huaraches
11-12-2015, 05:07 PM
Can that even happen with a new battery i got it last week and the car started with that battery too.

allTRACway
11-12-2015, 08:38 PM
Do a test on the battery and see if you can push start it.

Huaraches
11-14-2015, 05:12 PM
Well i push started it and it turns on and stays on so its starter related ? The relay

crymson
11-14-2015, 06:53 PM
Starter or battery, yes.

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Huaraches
11-14-2015, 06:57 PM
I think the battery is fine voltage is good battery is new dates 11/15

crymson
11-14-2015, 06:58 PM
Then something with the starter

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Huaraches
11-14-2015, 07:01 PM
Is it normal for the starter relay to click?

crymson
11-14-2015, 07:03 PM
Are you sure it's the relay? It's normal for drop solenoid starters like the one on your celica to click, and for that click to be audible if there is no electricity going through it

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Huaraches
11-14-2015, 07:12 PM
Well the click is from inside the car. I even removed the relay, when i did then turned the key and its quite . I put it back and it clicks again

Nitro_Alltrac
11-14-2015, 11:40 PM
You're hearing the click inside from the around the right kick panel? Yes, that's the location of the starter relay. You should be able to hear it.

You may be having issues with the small wire going to the starter. There's an issue and fix for the 16X's. It happens more often with them but it does show up sometimes in the 18X's.

I had issues with mine starting, nothing when you hit key. I was intermittent. After I did the relay fix, no more issues. I think it's posted here somewhere. If you can't find it here I know you can find at 162.net (I think that's the right address).

Huaraches
11-15-2015, 01:42 AM
Yeah the click is the relay because i can feel it, had my bro turn the key and i would listen for the noice and feel the relay

Huaraches
11-15-2015, 01:44 AM
Im not sure if i understood the 16x and 18x, do u mean try and attempt to start it 16 times but its most likely to occur on the 18th time?

crymson
11-15-2015, 03:17 AM
No, 16x is the 4 the gen celica (162, 165, etc) and the 18x is the fifth gen (180, 184, 185, etc)

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4thgenceli
11-15-2015, 03:09 PM
Yeah 16x and 18x refer to the chassis codes of the cars. A 4th generation Alltrac is the 165 for example.

What they're referring to is called the 'hot start relay fix' issue that is very prevalent in the 4th generation Celicas (St16x chassis) but now I would think it will start occuring on the ST18x series simply due to age. What happens is over time oxidiation builds up within the trigger wire that signals the starter to turn over. When you hear the click from the relay that is the relay opening and sending +12v to the starter via the trigger wire. The problem is though at the starter it's not receiving +12v. If you were to hook up a voltmeter to the small wire on your starter you'd see this voltage drop happening.

The fix for it is simply putting a 30a SPDT relay in line of the trigger wire. Here's a diagram of how to wire it up. You'll need to get some wire, a 30a SPDT relay and 30a inline fuse.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Rick88AllTrac/starterrelaydiagram.jpg


What this'll do is when you go to start the car, the signal from the starter relay activates the relay which then opens and sends +12v directly from the battery to the starter.

Huaraches
11-15-2015, 03:34 PM
So i would leave the starter relay in place, this relay would go somewhere in my engine bay right ? So the smaller wire from the starter will go to 86 and 30 will go where that small wire went to ?

4thgenceli
11-15-2015, 03:45 PM
Correct.

I'm going through my pictures of Jasmine and StormTrooper to see if I have some of them still from when I did the relays.

Huaraches
11-20-2015, 06:31 AM
Okay i attempted to make the relay set up but still didnt work unless my relay doesnt work. I also tested continuity on my relay wiring

4thgenceli
11-20-2015, 02:31 PM
Have you tried another starter?

If you apply direct voltage to the starter contacts does it spin?

Huaraches
11-20-2015, 02:32 PM
How do i apply direct voltage?

4thgenceli
11-20-2015, 02:52 PM
Carefully apply +12v to both contact points on the starter (the large gauge wire and the small one that you hooked up to the relay).

Huaraches
11-20-2015, 11:45 PM
Just to be safe should i jump it with the 30a fuse in the wire

Huaraches
11-21-2015, 07:30 PM
Got it to start by jumping the starter directly

4thgenceli
11-22-2015, 04:36 PM
The problem then lies somewhere with either the starter relay or the wiring to the starter (ie. the relay fix wiring).