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VavAlephVav
11-10-2014, 04:15 PM
Do these things even work at all anymore? Or are laser detectors just completely unbeatable? Does anybody use one, if so what kind?
I've seen a Passport 9000i(something) that says it does KA band and laser and has GPS uploading data from speedtraps other users have spotted.
For $380 that's less than what one ticket will cost you.
But do they work at all?

4thgenceli
11-10-2014, 04:20 PM
In my mind, they're a waste of money. Spend the $300 and make repairs or upgrades or sit on it.

VavAlephVav
11-10-2014, 04:35 PM
https://www.escortradar.com/passport9500ix/

Some tell me the level of the cops technology these days is much harder to beat than in the old days.

tuner4life
11-10-2014, 05:10 PM
I have (and still do) use the cheap model Cobra from a decade ago. It picks up K, KA, etc.. It doesn't do Laser, but at least in Northern IN, Laser isn't widely used yet. It's saved my butt on several occasions.

I would like to get my hands on some of the newer model detectors just to see how well they work, but I would think that they would be leaps and bounds better than previous models.

METDeath
11-10-2014, 05:35 PM
Or... here's an idea... don't speed excessively (what they usually pull you over for). Around here, you can easily do 5-10 over depending on the type of road (limited access or surface streets).

The Captain
11-10-2014, 06:08 PM
I have a Valentine One. Sits in the glovebox most of the time but I've found them to be the best . The only way to beat it is to install a laser jamming system combined with a detector. Radar jammers are illegal but laser is not. The Waze app is brilliant too.

VavAlephVav
11-10-2014, 08:10 PM
Or... here's an idea... don't speed excessively (what they usually pull you over for). Around here, you can easily do 5-10 over depending on the type of road (limited access or surface streets).
Ok Mom ty.

Seriously a couple of months ago I was coming into the city and after getting off the highway I have to go about 4 miles through town and there's a 25m/h school zone in the middle of what should be a fairly busy 4 lane road that is normally 35m/h. And I'm a little late one morning as I try to get around some nimrod who's been in my way for 2 miles as soon as I do a Cop, whose been standing on the sidewalk with his radar gun, steps out into the street right in front of me and Points at me, "You.", then motions to the curb.
First one I've gotten in years, not more than 2 in the last 10 years. I just don't want to have Any, and if I didn't drive fast well I would have bought a Camry instead right?

Some say the laser detector won't do you any good anyway because it won't detect it until it has line of sight, and by then the Cop already has a reading on you.
Although I may look into the laser jammer, it mounts in the grill or something.

I would bet though that very few of the new fancy laser guns are out there and many patrolmen are still using radar technology most of the time.

tuner4life
11-10-2014, 08:47 PM
If everyone drove the posted speed limit, there would be no need for radar detectors... Or fast cars for that matter.

Luni
11-11-2014, 12:30 AM
Ive never owned one. I believe there is a time and place for speeding, and on surface streets that isnt it. So as a result, I dont own radar detectors.

Cappys Valentine One has saved us group guys on Dragon trips in the past from tickets though, so it seems to be a good unit.

Cop radar hasnt changed much. Sure, technology itself has, but most cops still use old K or KA bands. Laser is harder to use and more expensive. A lot of precincts havent even got it yet.

MCcelica
11-13-2014, 07:21 AM
Yeah, I don't own one either. Same reason as Luni. There's a time/place for the go fast, surface streets especially school zones are not it. I personally don't care what justification you have for it. If you're hauling balls through a school zone, you deserve what you get.

I have figured that having one would have come in handy a couple times on the highway, when I've gotten tickets before. But then I realized how to use a cruise control.

Sign up for AutoX if you want to do the go-fast thing. Lots of members like KoreanJoey can help out getting you started.

BlueDragon
11-13-2014, 12:09 PM
Not to mention if you jam the cops radar and or slow down when he hits you he will just make up a speed and its up to you to go prove yourself innocent in court.
Hate to say it but I agree with the mommies on the thread, don't speed, especially with these out of control Nazi cops that think they own you because your license plate light was out or some completely non-criminal related offense.

P.S. The real question is, should we even HAVE public schools? Research Kent Hovind. Thou shalt teach THY children. That's you as parents are individually responsible for your children's education. Not Socialist Nanny States of America.

MCcelica
11-13-2014, 02:53 PM
You can call it "mommy", I'll go ahead and call it "Not being a fucking moron" and "Not willing to be the one who has to look himself in the mirror knowing that a kid is dead cause I was being a moron". I didn't say don't go fast. I just said to keep it on the track. If you do that, you save money not only on tickets, but also on the fuzz buster.

VikingJZ
11-13-2014, 05:38 PM
I own a radar detector. I have no idea where it is. Well I do, but where the suction cup and cable for it are located would be anyone's guess.

There's a certain thing to going faster than the speed limit. I get it. 55 is slow on a four lane highway. It seems like that around here in Indiana, as if they keep speed limits slower on bigger roads just so the legislators can have cops write more tickets.

Remember when speedometers had the 55 boxed in? The 55MPH national limit was made in a time when cars were not as safe as they are today. Youtube the video of the 59 Impala vs the 09 Malibu (Not sure if those are the right years/cars, but still). The newer car practically obliterates the older car. Cars are safer today and can travel a little faster while being safe still. That's just my opinion though.

I'm a firm believer in that states (indiana) need to raise the speed limit a little bit. Even if they stepped up enforcement of the limit after that, that's cool. But I think 55 is just too slow.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but it's usually 5MPH higher (60MPH is my norm, which is a mile per minute for those haven't figured that out :P) on the highway. What cracks me up are people in my town that blaze down the main street at 45-50 and whine about the cop being a jerk for stopping him. The town is probably four miles long from end to end...do you really need to get to the gas station three seconds faster? There's three stop lights!

I'm not saying that the radar detector is not a valuable tool for those who will always speed Just don't blame the officer. He/She didn't write the law, so don't be a jackass if you're speeding. You broke the law, suffer the consequences. I got a ticket once myself. I wasn't a jerk to the cop, but he still gave me a ticket. It sucks, but it was a lesson learned.

I do with the State of Indiana would make unmarked cars illegal for traffic enforcement. While they will say it "Saves lives." I disagree. To me, it's a way for them to allow cops to blend in with traffic to write more tickets (Not the fault of police, but our legislation). Look at the UK. You can't MISS a police car. They are marked and lit up like a Christmas tree. And they're there so you can spot them in case of need. I just personally feel a cop does not need an unmarked Mustang to sit on the side of the road and run radar. Or, my favorite: ISP using drug seizure cars, like a Tahoe with 24" rims and chrome ricer lights that are probably not DOT approved. To me, it just creates more of a negative opinion of police officers. And I think they should be doing more to improve that relationship.

However, having a radar detector is a sure way to not improve YOUR end of a positive interaction with a cop.

Just keep in mind, not all cops are out to get you. They've got a life to live to, so don't make it more of a PITA for them to do their jobs.

VikingJZ
11-13-2014, 05:47 PM
And as an FYI: The battle between anti-police technology companies and pro-police technology companies is pretty much like the Cold War.

Not one side has the advantage for long, because all of this technology is readily available. The radar detector companies test new police tech, and the police tech companies test new radar detectors.

Yes, it is harder to "beat" police technology than years ago, but that doesn't mean something won't come out that trumps the new police stuff.


I'm just glad speed/traffic cameras are not legal in Indiana. I have a huge issue with those.

VikingJZ
11-13-2014, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I don't own one either. Same reason as Luni. There's a time/place for the go fast, surface streets especially school zones are not it. I personally don't care what justification you have for it. If you're hauling balls through a school zone, you deserve what you get.

I have figured that having one would have come in handy a couple times on the highway, when I've gotten tickets before. But then I realized how to use a cruise control.

Sign up for AutoX if you want to do the go-fast thing. Lots of members like KoreanJoey can help out getting you started.


I notice this on the Indiana Toll Road. Usually it's people from IL or OH driving like there is an avalanche behind them. Well, the real answer is because they want to get out of Indiana as fast as possible. Most of the cars I see fly by me on the highway are from out of state and they get popped. Indiana seems to enforce speed limits more than other state's I've driven through, but maybe that's just because I live here and notice it more.

VavAlephVav
11-13-2014, 06:23 PM
Wow, you know I really don't drive fast all the time or dangerously. I've only had two tickets in 10 years, both for only going 10 over, that doesn't exactly make me Vin Diesel.
And this wasn't an elementary school on a residential street, its a high school in the middle if a busy 4 land avenue in the middle of downtown.
I'd just like to have a warning system to help once in a while.


As to what else was said...
This Republic was not founded by a bunch of uneducated Rednecks who hate science. And if you don't like it there is nothing stopping you from moving somewhere else.

Luni
11-14-2014, 12:07 AM
My buddy just bought an Escort that has GPS. It can key into places that are heavily patrolled and reported as "speed traps" and warn you ahead of time, and if theres like a shopping complex that produces a bunch of false readings from their door systems or whatever, it will eventually take that into consideration and stop reporting them.

He seems pretty happy with it. So, there you go. If youre gonna get a detector, spend good money and get a good one. Go with a Valentine One, or an Escort. Theres my advice, without being your mommy. Cause at the end of the day, I dont give a shit what you do. This IS america, youre free to make whatever decisions you want, and free to live with them, be they good or bad.

So, there you go. Hope this helps.

VavAlephVav
11-14-2014, 01:15 AM
yes that is exactly the detector I was looking at, I figure even at almost $400 that's only the price of one ticket. I just wanted to see if anybody else had tried it.
So thanks :kiss:

Really the only racing I do is when there's a two lane on-ramp that's merging and some soccer Mom in an Escalade is talking on her phone and not intending to yield, then I'll go right around her.
:burnout:

VavAlephVav
11-14-2014, 01:28 AM
There's a certain thing to going faster than the speed limit. I get it. 55 is slow on a four lane highway. It seems like that around here in Indiana, as if they keep speed limits slower on bigger roads just so the legislators can have cops write more tickets.

Remember when speedometers had the 55 boxed in? .
LOLZ, yes I'm old. :)



The 55MPH national limit was made in a time when cars were not as safe as they are today. Youtube the video of the 59 Impala vs the 09 Malibu (Not sure if those are the right years/cars, but still). The newer car practically obliterates the older car. Cars are safer today and can travel a little faster while being safe still. That's just my opinion though.

I'm a firm believer in that states (indiana) need to raise the speed limit a little bit. Even if they stepped up enforcement of the limit after that, that's cool. But I think 55 is just too slow.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but it's usually 5MPH higher (60MPH is my norm, which is a mile per minute for those haven't figured that out :P) on the highway. What cracks me up are people in my town that blaze down the main street at 45-50 and whine about the cop being a jerk for stopping him. The town is probably four miles long from end to end...do you really need to get to the gas station three seconds faster? There's three stop lights!

I'm not saying that the radar detector is not a valuable tool for those who will always speed Just don't blame the officer. He/She didn't write the law, so don't be a jackass if you're speeding. You broke the law, suffer the consequences. I got a ticket once myself. I wasn't a jerk to the cop, but he still gave me a ticket. It sucks, but it was a lesson learned.
I'm never jerk to cops, if you got me you got me, I'm not going to be an ass about it and I understand that dudes doing his job and he spends all day every day dealing with assholes, so if you just play it cool he'll be cool.
....It's different now then when you're young and the cops assume you must be up to something.



I do with the State of Indiana would make unmarked cars illegal for traffic enforcement. While they will say it "Saves lives." I disagree. To me, it's a way for them to allow cops to blend in with traffic to write more tickets (Not the fault of police, but our legislation). Look at the UK. You can't MISS a police car. They are marked and lit up like a Christmas tree. And they're there so you can spot them in case of need. I just personally feel a cop does not need an unmarked Mustang to sit on the side of the road and run radar. Or, my favorite: ISP using drug seizure cars, like a Tahoe with 24" rims and chrome ricer lights that are probably not DOT approved. To me, it just creates more of a negative opinion of police officers. And I think they should be doing more to improve that relationship.
ya the MO highway patrol has a gold Suburban, got right up on him before I could see it says Highway Patrol in a slightly different shade on the back. I was being cool though, so he let me go :)



However, having a radar detector is a sure way to not improve YOUR end of a positive interaction with a cop.

Just keep in mind, not all cops are out to get you. They've got a life to live to, so don't make it more of a PITA for them to do their jobs.

tuner4life
11-14-2014, 02:22 PM
Eh.. Being nice to the road pirates has never once gotten me out of a ticket. Now I just treat them how they treat me. You have to remember that they are just people too.. Usually egotistical ones.. They are a money making tool for the govt that's all. That's a cause that I'll invest in a radar detector in order to combat. And as VikingJZ said, the speed limits around here are excessively low, they could raise just about all of them by 20% and it would be just fine. It's a revenue thing.

Obviously there are good ones out there that actually fight crime and do good, I certainly respect that, but the traffic cops cruising around all day (at hypocritical speeds) and harassing people is hardly a respectable position.. I mean without them, who would protect us from the dangers of window tint?

VikingJZ
11-14-2014, 04:55 PM
I've been stopped probably ten times. Most of which was for random things like a burned out light. I seem to have that problem on a lot of cars. Burned out brake light, tail light, etc. One time I had a headlight bulb go out as a cop passed me. He stopped me and said he saw it burn out but gave me a written warning for it in case I needed to drive somewhere and might get stopped again. He even wrote on the warning "The light went out as I passed the driver."

The window tint laws are not designed to do anything for the citizens. They are specifically designed to protect officers. While some states take it a little too far with which windows you can tint, and which windows you can't, the general purpose is for officer safety. I've owned cars that have had super dark tint (My SC300 came with really dark windows). I never once was "harassed" for having tint. Most cops aren't going to give drivers a ticket for tint in Indiana unless they were stopped for something else and are being rude.

Most cops are traffic cops. They do more than just stop people for speeding. That's the part of the job THEY don't like to do (Well, some DO get off on a power trip, but those are the ones that shouldn't be cops). But, it's a necessary part of the job and the most common interaction with the public.

Again, it's all attitude and situation perspective. One might think they're being polite, but the officer might sense a "I didn't do shit" attitude and will give the same treatment.

The radar detector is a sure fire way to prove to a cop that you speed. You're unlikely to get out of a ticket with one in the car.

Back before Indiana went to printed tickets from the car and still had carbon copy pads, they would write RD on the ticket if the driver had a detector. That way, in the event they fought the ticket in court, they could ask, "If you don't speed, or weren't speeding, why do you need a radar detector?"

tuner4life
11-14-2014, 05:33 PM
Radar detector gets thrown under the seat in the event of a pullover. That's common sense.

I guess everyone on here has slowed down while I've been gone. The last dragon meet I went to, there were literally dozens of tickets given out lol.

Luni
11-14-2014, 05:37 PM
I dont know about dozens, but I can count at least 3 LOL.

VIP got one, Bugs got one, and Larry got one. Im not sure who else got one.

VikingJZ
11-14-2014, 06:07 PM
I don't drive fast enough to get tickets LOL

VavAlephVav
11-15-2014, 01:15 AM
Have you guys seen this one,
busted street racing at a meet, and the cop lets em go after clocking them at 140

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VT_0IxpS4

I don't know how to make the embed work on this site :<

MCcelica
11-15-2014, 06:43 AM
Have you guys seen this one,
busted street racing at a meet, and the cop lets em go after clocking them at 140

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VT_0IxpS4

I don't know how to make the embed work on this site :<

Hahahahaha, "He just gave you a warning? Which one of you swallowed?" LOL

KoreanJoey
11-16-2014, 09:19 AM
$400 can buy you a lot of track time. A good place to take driving aggression out without risk of tickets or other drivers.

VavAlephVav
11-16-2014, 03:46 PM
The radar detector is a sure fire way to prove to a cop that you speed. You're unlikely to get out of a ticket with one in the car.

Back before Indiana went to printed tickets from the car and still had carbon copy pads, they would write RD on the ticket if the driver had a detector. That way, in the event they fought the ticket in court, they could ask, "If you don't speed, or weren't speeding, why do you need a radar detector?"

ya, this is the one that keeps bugging me. especially because I really don't speed All the time, in fact mostly to save gas I shift early and set the cruise control.

Luni
11-18-2014, 09:00 AM
So I raced Bruce once LOL. I was in Duchess and he was in the Celica. We both got flashed by the PoPo going the other direction haha. Shit was awesome! (he won that race btw)

Fucking cops being hooligans!

To those who didnt know Bruce, he was a cop. So it was kind of ironic I got him to race me, and that we got seen by the local PoPo and almost got busted LOL.

4thgenceli
11-19-2014, 01:22 AM
So I raced Bruce once LOL. I was in Duchess and he was in the Celica. We both got flashed by the PoPo going the other direction haha. Shit was awesome! (he won that race btw)

Fucking cops being hooligans!

To those who didnt know Bruce, he was a cop. So it was kind of ironic I got him to race me, and that we got seen by the local PoPo and almost got busted LOL.
I remember that race. I was riding bitch in Dutchess with you. We got on the walkie so Damn quick to warn the others. Didn't he flip a bitch and follow us for a bit?

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Luni
11-19-2014, 07:10 PM
Yeah, he flipped a bitch.

Murgatroy
11-19-2014, 07:58 PM
Me and Bruce running down the road, he keeps telling me 'Get on it!' So there we were white smoking the tires down main street where he lived.

Then we got Chaos fixed, so we take a ride through town, and as we are rolling through the school zone at 70MPH, Bruce is all "Slow down, I don't think I can talk you out of a ticket for 70MPH in a school zone."

And finally, as we are down there for his funeral, later that night I made a joke about street racing, and was told by Jamie his cop buddy, "Let me know, I can clear the roads..."

Hipster Lawrence
11-24-2014, 05:26 AM
Radar detector gets thrown under the seat in the event of a pullover. That's common sense.

I guess everyone on here has slowed down while I've been gone. The last dragon meet I went to, there were literally dozens of tickets given out lol.

While I believe that in some cases a radar detector can give a cop a negative bias, but that hasn't been my experience. I've had a guy rib me about it, (that thing is useless huh?) a long time ago. Now I keep the detector kind of behind the rear view, so only a very observant cop would see it.

But NEVER NEVER NEVERNEVERNEVERNVEREVEREVEREVER try and stash the detector. That is a sure fire way to get your car search and learn what the asphalt smells like, before they let you go with a ticket

MCcelica
11-24-2014, 11:51 AM
While I believe that in some cases a radar detector can give a cop a negative bias, but that hasn't been my experience. I've had a guy rib me about it, (that thing is useless huh?) a long time ago. Now I keep the detector kind of behind the rear view, so only a very observant cop would see it.

But NEVER NEVER NEVERNEVERNEVERNVEREVEREVEREVER try and stash the detector. That is a sure fire way to get your car search and learn what the asphalt smells like, before they let you go with a ticket

That's why you do it before they pull in behind you, if you know they're coming for you. If they never see you stash it, you hide all the cords, and make sure it's unplugged so it doesn't make noise? Then they gotta find another reason for a search.

Luni
11-24-2014, 09:44 PM
If the radar detector is legal in your state, they have no probable cause to search you if you have it displayed.

Dont be a pussy.

VavAlephVav
11-25-2014, 03:42 PM
I most always have the sunroof open, it'd be easy to see.
They need a system where you can mount it in the dash under the radio and run the sensor up at the top of the windshield or something. Then it will just look like a fancy equalizer.