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Slider
05-12-2005, 08:57 AM
My car's as stock as you can get engine wise with 184k on the odometer.
The Scion was lowered and had exhaust, don't know if he had anything else done. Went from a stop we both did a casual launch. Only went up to 60, he had me by a car length, maybe car length and a half. I thought they were faster, maybe he was shifting early or something.

Blackcloud
05-12-2005, 08:59 AM
i thought they were heavy with just the vvti motor?

tuner
05-12-2005, 09:49 AM
I have been wanting to race a Scion. If they are that slow I bet I could take one. hopefully I get the chance sometime.

Colossus20v
05-12-2005, 03:22 PM
2.4L and more torgue i think. But yeah they are a little beavy but not to bad. Nice cars, but i wont even consider getting one without a supercharger or some sort of FI.

bloodredgt
05-12-2005, 10:51 PM
I raced my cousin who has a tC 4-5 runs. I came out in front every single time by either a fender or having his front bumper where my rear was. They were all pretty close except for the last run. I beat him by a car on the last one because I got an awesome launch.

I thought I would lose for sure but just went out for fun since my cousin finally got a new car. I think he's pretty pissed that his new car lost to a 14 year old one LOL.

My cousin is already looking into buying the supercharger from toyota for his car. I guess if he get's his supercharger, I'll have to get an engine swap LOL.

gt_turbo
05-13-2005, 12:23 AM
u beat him with ur gt-5speed? hahah thats pretty funny. good kill!

bloodredgt
05-13-2005, 04:23 AM
u beat him with ur gt-5speed? hahah thats pretty funny. good kill!

yeah... my cousin even wanted to get it on his camera and he did. But when i told him to send it to me, he deleted it :squint: . So my brother and I always rag on him now. :wiggle: We got him addicted to modding his car. He's planning on getting an exhaust.

carbonizedGT-S
05-13-2005, 05:01 AM
isnt ur cousin's tc an auto? mightve made a difference if it was stick but i duno

bloodredgt
05-13-2005, 06:38 AM
it's an auto. Even though you subtract the hp lost from his auto compared to the hp loss of my manual, he still has a significant edge over me a good 30-40hp and 40-45tq.

Hooligan
05-13-2005, 08:09 AM
Where are you getting these magical drivetrain loss numbers that you're using?

Kwanza
05-13-2005, 04:29 PM
it's an auto. Even though you subtract the hp lost from his auto compared to the hp loss of my manual, he still has a significant edge over me a good 30-40hp and 40-45tq.
The power advantage doesn't matter much really. Auto tranny = poor gearing, much much slower acceleration. For example, an Automatic 00+ Celica GTS runs 17's... a manual one runs 15's... Scion TC's are decently fast cars for what they got, but might as well call it a Camry if it's auto.

bloodredgt
05-13-2005, 10:28 PM
Hmmmm... I wonder why you guys are bashing a good kill...

Those numbers are just off the top of my head.

Auto trannies do have poor gearing, but it doesn't defeat the fact that i still beat a tC. End of story.

Slider
05-13-2005, 11:19 PM
Tc has like 160hp and 160tq, and it weighs more. Around 2900lbs if I remember correctly.

All in all 5sfe celicas are not made for racing, I remember the day I got whooped by a jeep cherokee.

DanTheMan
05-14-2005, 01:13 AM
yeah, we got denied the 3sge in america :(

fiveSFE
05-14-2005, 03:30 AM
i beat one in my 93 gt wit around 160k wit intake exhuast and greddy emanage, i was surprized, we ran from a rolll, and by his downshift im sure it was manual, i had him by about 2 cars, i was surprized, but about two days later i raced another one, and i got my ass handed to me

Slider
05-14-2005, 06:02 AM
yeah, we got denied the 3sge in america :(

:( 3sge would've made it much more fun

Punisher
05-14-2005, 07:46 AM
Eh not made for racing? I don't know about that.. the 5SFE's are dogs but just like every dog, they have their day.

I atleast trust mine in the corners.. It grabs extraordinarily well and I can keep a steady acceleration through the turns.

I'll race anything that comes up to me even if I will lose.. hell ya never know.. That day might be my dogs day!

But stick a G head on the 5S and stick a set of slightly longer duration cams on it and it'll run pretty fricken fast.

Slider
05-14-2005, 09:04 AM
Sure it handles well, but straight line it's nothing to brag about, at least from my experience :hehe:

Mike431635
05-14-2005, 08:38 PM
Maybe this is off topic, but my auto ST spanked a new xA from a 10 mph roll. Of course it has the 1.3L compared to my 1.6.

Colossus20v
05-14-2005, 08:57 PM
Congrats Mike!!!

ummmx2
05-14-2005, 09:04 PM
the vvtli motor makes all its power waaaaaaaaay up top when it hits lift. the scion might not have been able to land lift in every gear if he was auto. the 5sfe will spank the 2zz off the line, but when lift kicks in, say bye bye to the 5s.

Slider
05-14-2005, 09:39 PM
I didn't know the Tc even had lift. I mean it makes 160hp from 2.4 liters, that's kinda weak.

Kwanza
05-15-2005, 07:05 AM
I didn't know the Tc even had lift. I mean it makes 160hp from 2.4 liters, that's kinda weak.
It doesn't have lift. The examples given are for the 2ZZ, but overall it illustrates how vastly different in acceleration speed a manual v.s an auto car can be. Auto gearing really hurts acceleration with most cars.

ummmx2
05-17-2005, 05:03 AM
my bad, didnt mean that the 2zz was in the scion, just trying to show an example for difference between auto and manual

lavy_gts
05-17-2005, 06:02 PM
My car's as stock as you can get engine wise with 184k on the odometer.
The Scion was lowered and had exhaust, don't know if he had anything else done. Went from a stop we both did a casual launch. Only went up to 60, he had me by a car length, maybe car length and a half. I thought they were faster, maybe he was shifting early or something.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/Lavy_gts/vindiesal.jpg

someone had to say it :wiggle:

ibanezgfx
05-26-2005, 01:37 AM
how much do 5th gen HBs weigh?

Slider
05-26-2005, 05:10 AM
according to edmunds

Gt liftback -2700lb
GT-S - 2800lb

car and driver listed the GT-S at 2900lb when they reviewed it. Don't know which one is right.

ibanezgfx
05-29-2005, 06:23 AM
k.. i kept hearing different stuff
and on the inside of the door it says something rediculus like 3500 lbs or somethin..

bloodredgt
05-30-2005, 05:48 PM
the last time i weighed my car it came out to 2648lbs. :) without driver

st205
05-31-2005, 03:05 AM
i was looking at this the other day...

Gt LiftBack -2500lb

GT-S - 2600lb

who cares how fast it is...celicas look sexy...

Doctor Jinxed
05-31-2005, 04:40 PM
who cares how fast it is...celicas look sexy...
:stupid: well...maybe I do care...a little bit.

carlosfandango
06-02-2005, 03:10 AM
guys, FE has a great torque curve, and nothing 50hp nitrous wont make greater. You want GE power from a stand still, get nitrous. The FE can take it. Plenty of FE celica's in the UK now running nitrous with good results. We didnt get Generation 5 FE's, we got the Gen 6 though and its mostly those guys and gals nitrousing the FE.

carlosfandango
06-06-2005, 04:20 PM
please ignore my last statement, further research shows failure in FE motors under nitrous influence unless you realy know what you are doing.

i don not reccomend nitrous unless you have done a tonne of homework first.

smoothtuner
06-07-2005, 02:04 AM
k.. i kept hearing different stuff
and on the inside of the door it says something rediculus like 3500 lbs or somethin..

Thats gross weight. The maximum safe weight including cargo, passengers, etc. So...I wouldnt cram 3 500lb men in the Celica.

James D.
06-07-2005, 04:07 AM
My Stock 2004 GTS vs my friends Stock 2004 TC, smoked him by 2 car lengths, the TC has good low end power yet its just heavy.

bloodredgt
06-07-2005, 05:06 AM
dude... you have more horses than he does... plus you're lighter... you should have smoked him...

alltracman78
06-07-2005, 04:59 PM
How do you know how many horses he owns?

bloodredgt
06-08-2005, 04:13 AM
How do you know how many horses he owns?

funny....

MoralWarfare
06-11-2005, 08:37 AM
dude... you have more horses than he does... plus you're lighter... you should have smoked him...
...did you notice he said he smoked him by 2 cars?

xeril
06-13-2005, 07:11 AM
everyone seems to have supercharged tc's in my area... wonder how they'd compare to a 3sgte swapped 5th gen..

GT4Dreams
06-24-2005, 10:43 AM
the supercharger from trd isn't out yet for the tC. And from my personal experience, a even a lightly modded 5th gen Celi GT will lose to a manual tC.

BLADDER_MASTER
06-24-2005, 09:45 PM
the supercharger from trd isn't out yet for the tC. And from my personal experience, a even a lightly modded 5th gen Celi GT will lose to a manual tC.

Not mine. :bigthumbu

GT4Dreams
06-25-2005, 11:06 AM
lol anny lightly modded 5th Gen Celi GT with a 5SFE

biatch:)

BLADDER_MASTER
06-25-2005, 08:36 PM
lol anny lightly modded 5th Gen Celi GT with a 5SFE

biatch:)

Ah, much better.

bloodredgt
06-26-2005, 01:06 AM
Ah, much better.

you bastard :D