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Physlis
08-29-2013, 06:18 AM
I found (what seems to be) a nice '77 GT on the local CL ads. It actually popped up a few weeks ago, then was bought, and the new owner is trying to sell it after "catching hell from the wife". Original ad had it listed for around $700, the new ad says $950 but I think I can talk it back down. I'd really love to rebuild one of these into something great, I kinda hope this is the one.

It's a grey hatchback, 20R, 5-speed and has a clean title. From talking to the guy a little bit today via text and from both CL ads the motor runs, and most of the body is in good shape, no word on the interior. Worst parts is the driver's side floor is rusted out, along with the driver's side rocker and both rear wheel wells. I could only verify the rocker from the pictures, the rest is from the current seller. I plan to go check it out this weekend personally and I'll post up pics for more evaluation.
Current CL ad (http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/4021227346.html)

Now here's what I want to know; What else should I look for when I go check it out? Obviously other signs of rust, but is there anything specific that would kill a restoration? Two, depending on how bad the rust really is, how the motor runs and what it looks interior-wise, what would be a fair price to haggle to?

Shadowlife25
08-29-2013, 07:21 AM
How comfortable are you doing major metal fabrication and welding? If you aren't, I would pass. But as it sits, I would offer $650 if the rust isn't as bad as it sounds.
I don't know man... I don't trust east coast cars. Most all of them are rusted to shit.

celica9303
08-29-2013, 08:41 PM
If you dont I might consider it.

Facime
08-31-2013, 08:58 AM
They always have rus in the bottom of the rear wheel wells. Hatches rust around window frames, as well as front window frame. Check the unibody frame rales for being all beat to shit. People try to jack them up by them and they cant take it and buckle and are a huge pain to sort out again. Most parts arent too hard to find for them really. Glass is a little rare and there are a few trim pieces that are hensteeth but overall they are a fun car to rebuild. Suspensions can be upgraded using modded AE86 parts. The 76/77 have a long enough engine bay for several good swaps.


Personally I shy away from rusty cars as well but on the East coast your hopes of finding a 1GC that isnt rusty is next to impossible.

Physlis
09-05-2013, 12:34 AM
Finally made it over to look at the car. It definitely needs some work but I'm tempted to take on the job. The motor did run strong and the trans felt free, interior wasn't too bad. Apparently it was maroon at some point. I uploaded pics to the 1st gen library, I'd post them now but I'm typing this on my phone. When I get back to my computer I'll update and probly will have some other questions..

*edit*
Pics, questions below:
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_175722_438.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23236)
Driver's side rocker

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_175731_038.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23237)
Driver's side rear wheel well

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_175832_946.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23238)
Passenger side

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_175748_048.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23239)
20R

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_175945_870.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23240)
Interior

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_180005_497.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23241)
Mileage (I assume it's rolled over at least once)

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/1/0/0/img_20130904_180127_097.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23242)
Hatch area

I guess my biggest question would be what type of welder would I need for this type of work? I know of 3 different ones I have access to but I don't really know the difference between them.
Of course with that question comes; any particular type of sheetmetal that I should use to try and repair it? What kind would I use to reinforce the frame?
I don't really know much about welding specifics like what type of welder for what metals or applications but I do get the gist on how it works.

Facime
09-05-2013, 06:13 AM
wow. you cant be seriously thinking about that!? I could see buying it for parts and find a decent shell, or part it out and make a few bucks on it, but that thing is beyond saving. I dont mean it cant be done, I just mean WHY BOTHER? I mean 1st gens are great and all and certainly their collectability is rising, but not on a 77LB. If it was an uber rare 71/72 I could maybeeeeeeee see it.

I could get you a shell in Oregon with no rust and deliver to you for less than what that will take to fix. Remember...its a unibody car!

Physlis
09-05-2013, 03:40 PM
That's exactly why I figured I'd ask here. I'd like to save it but if it's only worth parts, so be it. I just haven't seen any 1st gens in my area and figured I'd take a shot.
If I paid $700 for the car, do you guys think I could get my money back (or a decent chunk of it) in parts while I looked for a shell? Where would I be most likely to find said shell?

I really want to get a 1st gen, this pic I saw on FB gave me the bug:
http://www.ranzmotorsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/celicas2k.jpg

I know this car wouldn't ever look like that but it's what got me inspired to get one.

Facime
09-05-2013, 07:24 PM
It COULD look like that...with enough money.

I looked and it appears to be gone now, but there was a nice stripped shell up in Portland last week. A 76/77LB with a running drivetrain, but mostly stripped for paint (glass was out as was most of the interior). They were asking $1200. I would say I see one a month pop up here in the NW. There is even a straight shell sitting in my local PnP righ now that looked very rust free.

I would think Texas or the dry southwest would be a good place to find them. If all you wanted was a rolling shell I bet you could find one for $500 and have it shipped for around the same.




are you set on a late 1GC LB or are you interested in an earlier coupe as well?

underscore
09-05-2013, 10:56 PM
One a month? Man, don't tempt me...

Facime
09-06-2013, 03:06 AM
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/4046959757.html


would be a far better starting position body wise anyway.

Doowstados
09-06-2013, 04:03 AM
Saw this in my area the other day... Really clean: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/4039769515.html

celica9303
09-06-2013, 04:27 AM
Saw this in my area the other day... Really clean: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/4039769515.html
Isn't this a second gen?

Facime
09-06-2013, 06:07 AM
Isn't this a second gen?


yes, the ugliest celica ever to ugly up the highways, and the only generation of celica Ive never owned aside from the 7th gen (which I wouldnt rule out as something I'll have at some point)

Doowstados
09-06-2013, 06:47 AM
I like the second gen.

Facime
09-06-2013, 09:24 AM
:puke: second gen

andy
09-06-2013, 06:24 PM
That thing is so gone man. I found a almost rustless one running for 1200. Just gotta keep looking

Physlis
09-06-2013, 07:17 PM
Yea, I mean if I had all the right tools and knew EXACTLY how to fix it I might go fo it, but I know to do it right I'd pretty much have to skin it and rebuild most of it. I agree with the other guy that was looking when I got there; I wasn't expecting a beauty queen but it definitely looked better in the pictures.
There was a really nice "survivor" '76 on the local ads when this one popped up the first time. $12,000 but it was all original down to the tires and clean as clean could be. I wouldn't have had the heart to mod it.



I would think Texas or the dry southwest would be a good place to find them. If all you wanted was a rolling shell I bet you could find one for $500 and have it shipped for around the same.
Are you set on a late 1GC LB or are you interested in an earlier coupe as well?

I like my hatches/LBs, to me they just look better. I guess my search continues.

I'm kinda hoping I can find a good shell and this guy still has the motor/trans/glass/etc that I can pull whenever I do, at least save some of it y'know? I appreciate the advice guys.

Oh and on the second gen...I think I'll pass lol. Looks like some sort of Euro car more than a Celi.