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4thgenceli
08-09-2013, 09:26 PM
Been driving around with this dodge for a while now. I've noticed something interested in it. First and Second gear seem to be noisy, similar to starting a car in 3rd gear.

I rarely first gear in this truck. The gearing is so low by the time I'm at 10MPH I need to shift. I usually always take off in second gear. Is it common practice to do this?

Murgatroy
08-09-2013, 09:41 PM
Noob.



Yes.




I feel old now.



Some (not all, not even most, but a lot) of trucks have a Granny Gear, Pulling Gear, Bulldog Gear, etc...

In that instance, you don't use first, you start in second. Your transmission is in essence a three speed with Bulldog and Overdrive. Making five forward gears.

4thgenceli
08-09-2013, 09:44 PM
It just seems too noisy when I take off in second gear. If I'm on a hill or something (pulling a load) I'll use the granny to get up and moving.

Murgatroy
08-09-2013, 10:32 PM
And for the record, you truck is a small vehicle compared to what I drive. Not a large vehicle.

19winstonsmith84
08-09-2013, 11:19 PM
thats a big 10-4 snowman.

Murgatroy
08-09-2013, 11:23 PM
Ain't you got a 10-100 to take or something?

Nitro_Alltrac
08-09-2013, 11:35 PM
You've got a real truck transmission. They're supposed to be noisy. The newer half ton trucks witht he NV gear boxes are more like car transmissions. The old 3/4 trucks with the trannies like Murg is talking about are noisy. I don't think you've got anything to worry about.

4thgenceli
08-09-2013, 11:49 PM
I know older ones are noisy as hell, this truck is a 2003. I didn't think it'd be that noisy still. 3rd + higher are fine. Maybe that dual straight exhaust and some JBA headers should drone it out.

Murgatroy
08-10-2013, 12:57 AM
You probably have some fancy stuff on first and second to make the gears stronger. That is why they are noisy.

You want noisy, try an unsynchronized transmission.

4thgenceli
08-10-2013, 01:04 AM
It has 891xx miles. I'm going to change the gear oil at 90k. I may go for some heavy duty stuff. I'm assuming it's factory still and has never been changed.

Nitro_Alltrac
08-10-2013, 01:42 AM
Just use the old tried and true method to fix unwanted noises. Turn the stereo up!

4thgenceli
08-10-2013, 01:45 AM
Win!

That's on my list. I need a new head unit then I can install the subwoofer(s) and go from there.

METDeath
08-10-2013, 02:05 AM
Another classic Tim fail... I drive an auto and I know that real trucks start in second gear and make noise.

4thgenceli
08-10-2013, 02:13 AM
Well its a dodge. Apparently that's not a real truck.


Selfburn


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Hipster Lawrence
08-10-2013, 05:37 AM
You want noisy, try an unsynchronized transmission.

Or an M22.

Manual transmissions are all noisy. Some more so than others.

187flatliner
08-10-2013, 07:56 AM
ive had a few older 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, all manny's and they all had noisy gears, yes 2nd is a great gear to start at, i always tho out of habit started in first...

Luni
08-13-2013, 01:29 AM
Tim, my roommate has a 2004 Ram 1500 with a 5 speed and I dont feel its geared too low at all. I use first every time I drive.

It isnt geared at all like what Murg said.

I learned to drive a stick on an 81 Chevy Blazer. It had L, 1, 2, 3 L was obviously granny gear. You NEVER used L unless you were pulling shit or you were going up a hill.

4thgenceli
08-13-2013, 03:34 AM
I wonder if there is a difference. Doea it have the 5.7 in it? I've been meaning to look up ratios but haven't had time. When I take off in first the damn torque just launches the truck into orbit.

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The Captain
08-13-2013, 12:12 PM
Shoulda bought a Tundra?

Luni
08-13-2013, 08:00 PM
I wonder if there is a difference. Doea it have the 5.7 in it? I've been meaning to look up ratios but haven't had time. When I take off in first the damn torque just launches the truck into orbit.

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No its the smaller one. The 4.9? 4.7? I dont remember. Its not the 5.7 tho

4thgenceli
08-14-2013, 12:45 AM
Little more digging.

Transmission in my truck seems to be a NV4500.

The NV4500 gear ratios are:

Reverse: 5.04 (pre-1997 it was 5.61)
First: 5.61
Second: 3.04
Third 1.67
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.73


Little further digging shows the 2004 Ram 1500 only had one 5 speed manual transmission available (NV3500).


Gear ratios for the NV3500 are:
Reverse: 3.55
First: 4.02
Second: 2.32
Third: 1.40
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.73

Murgatroy
08-14-2013, 01:22 AM
Like I said, three speed with Bulldog and Overdrive.

Hipster Lawrence
08-14-2013, 02:24 AM
Little more digging.

Transmission in my truck seems to be a NV4500.

The NV4500 gear ratios are:

Reverse: 5.04 (pre-1997 it was 5.61)
First: 5.61
Second: 3.04
Third 1.67
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.73


Little further digging shows the 2004 Ram 1500 only had one 5 speed manual transmission available (NV3500).


Gear ratios for the NV3500 are:
Reverse: 3.55
First: 4.02
Second: 2.32
Third: 1.40
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.73


All this doesn't mean A whole lot without knowing whAt your differental ratio is. But 5.7:1 sounds really fucking low

Me and my dad uses TI take his old green 66 ford straight six out to the woods camping/exploring. It had a 3 speed and an air lockable rear diff. 2wd. I'm not sure of what the ratios were but you could put that damn thing in first with no throttle and get out off the truck to jump up and down in the bed to gain more traction. You could see the tires turns a half a turn every time the engine chugged over so many times.

2wd+good gearing+knowing what to do and what not to do goes a loooong way on the trail. Many times have I been asked: how'd you get that thing all the way back here, I justslpmile and say "very carefully"

4thgenceli
08-14-2013, 03:39 AM
The diff is either 3.73 or 4.10. I'm not sure, I'm waiting on a build sheet from the dealer. The doorplate is worn off to the illegible side

4thgenceli
08-16-2013, 04:54 PM
All this doesn't mean A whole lot without knowing whAt your differental ratio is. But 5.7:1 sounds really fucking low

Me and my dad uses TI take his old green 66 ford straight six out to the woods camping/exploring. It had a 3 speed and an air lockable rear diff. 2wd. I'm not sure of what the ratios were but you could put that damn thing in first with no throttle and get out off the truck to jump up and down in the bed to gain more traction. You could see the tires turns a half a turn every time the engine chugged over so many times.

2wd+good gearing+knowing what to do and what not to do goes a loooong way on the trail. Many times have I been asked: how'd you get that thing all the way back here, I justslpmile and say "very carefully"

Got the build sheet back. I have a 10.5" rear axle with a 4.10 ratio with an 'anti spin rear axle'. I thought something felt different on the rear. Her dad swore it was an open diff but the build sheet says otherwise.

alltracman78
08-17-2013, 03:24 PM
You've probably got a TORSEN rear diff.
They feel like an open diff, you just don't slip like an open diff [as long as both wheels are on the ground]. Feels very different from clutch LSDs.

They're great in cars IMO, but not so good in trucks that go off road.

celica9303
08-19-2013, 04:58 AM
I would agree with it being torsen.

If I was going off the pavement with it regularly I'd swap it for an air locker.