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T-spoon
03-20-2013, 03:44 AM
So.. guess I'll start a thread for the Spyder. My wife has dubbed it "Kumo ni" (it's the second spyder we/she has owned).

Today I took the blizzaks with stock wheels off until next year and put on summer gear. Kosei K4R 15x7 wheels in gray. They weigh 10.4 lbs each. Tires are Dunlop Direzza ZIIs in 205/50 15.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000094.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22674)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000093.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22673)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000092.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22672)

Yep, needs to be a bit lower to eat some wheel gap. Long term plans are suspension upgrades including chassis bracing and a 2zzge.

KoreanJoey
03-20-2013, 05:08 AM
How about we just build this 1zz? :)

T-spoon
03-20-2013, 05:16 AM
How about we just build this 1zz? :)

Because for less than 3k the 2zz basically drops right in makes it into a relatively fast car and for a 1zz to do the same as reliably would cost a lot more? I thought you agreed it would be expensive to build the 1zz for any kind of power :P

The Captain
03-20-2013, 01:17 PM
Low pressure supercharger?

T-spoon
03-20-2013, 03:17 PM
Maybe boost instead, I'm thinking about it if it can be done... gently... I just don't want to take away the good manners that make the car so fun to drive. The Supra is WORK, and I don't want the Spyder to be that way (my wife has also expressed that she really doesn't want HER car that way, also) :)

KoreanJoey
03-20-2013, 05:38 PM
Low pressure supercharger?

This would work.

T-spoon
03-20-2013, 10:04 PM
From a cost/custom parts standpoint, a supercharger would come in way behind a turbo, I think. IF the TRD 1zz charger worked with the MRS, that would be an (overpriced) option, but I think as it is a small turbo kit put together myself would be the best route for boost.

T-spoon
03-21-2013, 05:18 AM
Ok, I believe I have a plan. There will be two stages. The first will be rebuilding the original 1zz (pulled it cause it was eating lots of oil, rings failin) with stronger rods. When I put that in (the second 1zz has started eating oil too, hah!), an LSD will go in the trans and I'll put in an ACT clutch. While driving it that way, I'll put together a GT28RS setup and when it's ready it will go in and run 10psi or less. Should be plenty of power without making it a pain the butt. I already have the MapECU2 since I went AEM on the Supra, so engine management will be no problem and the piggyback won't mess with OBDII.

KoreanJoey
03-21-2013, 08:36 AM
:)

PS: Told you to do rings.

l0ch0w
03-21-2013, 06:19 PM
I thought they had an affordable honda k20 motor swap you could do for an MR-S ?

vip09
03-21-2013, 08:42 PM
K20 affordable? I think you can get a 2zz for half the price of a K20.

KoreanJoey
03-21-2013, 08:47 PM
vip, you own a 2zz. A fan or would you prefer boost?

vip09
03-21-2013, 10:52 PM
I daily my 7th gen gts and I often drive my girlfriends mk3 MR2. I personally would rather do the 2zz swap, and that is what we plan to do to her car once it is paid off in a few months. The 1zz is a turd engine. It makes decent torque for normal driving, but if you drive it hard you can feel how restrictive the engine is compared to the 2zz. The 2zz feels better than the 1zz all around to me, and if you want to have fun it pulls strong all the way to 8300 or so stock. I wouldn't want to modify the 1zz at all. I wouldn't want to built onto something that is a piece of crap to begin with. We plan to swap the 2zz in and if she wants more power after that do a small turbo setup like a journal bearing 5858 or similar.


Here is a good comparison: me driving a stock MK3 MR2, renegadex in his old MK1 w/ black top 20v 4age swap with velocity stacks on the ITBs and exhaust, and bugs' stock 7th gen gts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxzlA76YZQY

T-spoon
03-22-2013, 02:34 AM
Well, that's why I was leaning towards the 2zz initially.. I really am not in love with the motor.. however, I haven't actually driven one in lift (drove only one in a 7g GTS and the salesman was crapping bricks if I went over 2500 RPM. I was like, dude, chill the heck out..). Still, turboing the 1zz is a more friendly powerband than a 2zz and more power in general obviously, unless you then turbo the 2zz of course, which I wouldn't be doing.

T-spoon
04-06-2013, 06:37 AM
After talking with my wife (who also drives and funds the car enough to have a big vote), we have decided on the 2zz route. It needs to behave basically like a stock vehicle, but with a better performing engine, and a 2zz swap will allow for that when pretty much nothing else will. We pulled the trigger and will collect parts in three stages. Tonight we ordered:

Competition clutch and pressure plate. It will be a mild upgrade, plenty of holding power for whatever the 2zz can do while not being a pain to drive or being hard on the trans (sticking with the 5spd)
MWR 2zzge header
CHE mid/downpipe w/cat

That exhaust setup will allow us to utilize all of the stock O2 sensors in their stock locations and bolt up to the stock muffler for now.

In the next month or so we will then get the plug'n'play 2zz engine swap from MWR. They have everything preset for the 8k+ rev limit and 6k lift engagement, and since I feel lazy about the wiring, I'll get their plug'n'play wiring kit. I did the majority of the supra's swap wiring myself, and I just don't feel like it with the Spyder. The last major part will be an LSD and it will be ready to do the swap. Hopefully we'll be able to get that done this summer.

T-spoon
04-08-2013, 01:57 AM
We've had an exhaust leak for a while that I thought was the mid-pipe to muffler connection. I fixed that.. it wasn't the problem. Yesterday it got far worse. It was painful to drive today and gutless on the low end. How do you make a 1zz sound like this?


http://smg.photobucket.com/user/t-spoon/media/MVI_2653.mp4.html


Well... this would do it..

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/img_2654.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22742)

MCcelica
04-08-2013, 07:45 AM
I daily my 7th gen gts and I often drive my girlfriends mk3 MR2. I personally would rather do the 2zz swap, and that is what we plan to do to her car once it is paid off in a few months. The 1zz is a turd engine. It makes decent torque for normal driving, but if you drive it hard you can feel how restrictive the engine is compared to the 2zz. The 2zz feels better than the 1zz all around to me, and if you want to have fun it pulls strong all the way to 8300 or so stock. I wouldn't want to modify the 1zz at all. I wouldn't want to built onto something that is a piece of crap to begin with. We plan to swap the 2zz in and if she wants more power after that do a small turbo setup like a journal bearing 5858 or similar.


This.

T-spoon
04-08-2013, 03:19 PM
This.

Well aren't you Mr. Late to the Party :hehe:

MCcelica
04-08-2013, 06:38 PM
Don't hate me forever, I'm better late than never.

T-spoon
04-14-2013, 01:28 AM
Some parts for the 2zz swap. MWR Header, CHE midpipe w/high flow cat. Competition stage 2 street clutch and PP

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/img_2656.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22771)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/img_2657.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22772)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/img_2658.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22773)

KoreanJoey
04-16-2013, 08:37 AM
Ewww... sprung clutch.

T-spoon
04-16-2013, 03:24 PM
Ewww... sprung clutch.

Thank you for your ever-positive outlook :hehe:

vip09
04-16-2013, 06:06 PM
Niiiiiice!!!!

KoreanJoey
04-17-2013, 07:46 AM
:)

underscore
04-17-2013, 11:42 PM
I thought they had an affordable honda k20 motor swap you could do for an MR-S ?

Why would you want a K20?

crymson
04-18-2013, 01:54 AM
I'd take a K20 over 1ZZ...

T-spoon
04-18-2013, 02:47 AM
Why would you want a K20?

It's a higher performing motor all around than 2zz. It's a good swap, but it's not remotely close to the kind of easy turn-key deal we want with the Spyder. For all the work of the K20, I'd just build a turbo car.

underscore
04-18-2013, 03:52 AM
Hows is it better than a 2ZZ? More power, but less torque from what I can see (probably lots of aftermarket though). For the amount of effort I would imagine putting one in would be, the gains seem pretty shitty over a 1ZZ, let alone a 2 (and then like you said, there's boost).


I'd take a K20 over 1ZZ...

I have a bit of a hatred for the K20, mainly because of the fanboys thinking it's the solution to everything. The few times I've been in cars powered by them I just feel disappointed considering all the hype.

crymson
04-18-2013, 05:29 AM
Sure the K20 isn't the end all be all of engines, and the 2zz is defiantly a better choice for a straightforward, easy to maintain swap, but I'd take just about anything over a 1zz.

T-spoon
04-30-2013, 05:27 AM
This came in the mail today:

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000138.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22808)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000135.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=22805)

Shadowlife25
05-01-2013, 11:18 PM
Nice ! Looks like the goody list is growing at a reasonable pace there. I am excited to hear all about the progress on it. :)

T-spoon
09-23-2013, 07:19 PM
Finally ordered the engine today. Went ahead and got a plug and play harness, bearing/seal kit for installing the LSD, and an intake for the 2zz. Want to get the engine in before the weather gets too poopy.

crymson
09-23-2013, 07:22 PM
Very nice.

MCcelica
09-24-2013, 10:29 AM
Have fun! :)

T-spoon
10-06-2013, 04:02 AM
Did some stuff today. 1zz is ready to drop. Well, more accurately, it's ready to have the car lifted off it. This is what it looks like.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000514.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23286)

And for some reason, this picture. It's not at all creepy. No. Not at all.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000518.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23285)

Oh, and here's the 2zz. Got it on the stand to start prepping it to go in. Took the stock exhaust manifold off and test fit the MWR piece. It actually seems to be a nice piece. The flange fits flush and the holes all line up. Nothing like an EBAY piece. :hehe:

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000519.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23284)

And a closer shot of the manifold because, I don't know.. more pictures...

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000520.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23283)

Maybe I'll get the 1zz out tomorrow. Maybe I won't. Who knows?!

Luni
10-06-2013, 06:23 PM
Change your lift bolts, valve cover gasket, and timing cover seal?

Also clean out the OCVs in the head. One in the front by the alternator, and one on the side behind the throttle body. There are little screens. Clean those out while youre engine is out.

T-spoon
10-07-2013, 01:49 AM
Change your lift bolts, valve cover gasket, and timing cover seal?

Also clean out the OCVs in the head. One in the front by the alternator, and one on the side behind the throttle body. There are little screens. Clean those out while youre engine is out.

Yep, planning on all that

T-spoon
10-07-2013, 02:07 AM
ok, well, the weather was just too nice today, so we had to go ahead and get the 1zz outa there. It actually went extremely smoothly. I bought a nice furniture dolly for the engine/trans to sit on, got a couple of low slung three-caster ones to set the wheel disks in. I did have to get creative with the hoist positioning because the legs wouldn't go under the car with all the stuff there.. sooo, I put it beside the back of the car and ran chains to the crash bar mounts. Had TONS of clearance as you can see in the pic. I could have kept lifting even because the front fascia was still several inches off the ground.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000526.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23289)

And of course, stupid pose in the empty engine bay after smoothly rolling the drivetrain out. She sure took this picture at a funny angle.. it's actually sitting pretty level..

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000527.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23288)

T-spoon
10-13-2013, 07:10 AM
Well I should have taken pics today, but it was such a PITA I didn't. Joel came down and helped me out big time. We installed the LSD. Wow not fun in a transaxle! Next time I think I'd opt to buy a transmission that had an LSD already. Sheesh.

crymson
10-13-2013, 12:50 PM
I am moderately terrified of how quick that little thing is going to be with a 2zz.

MCcelica
10-14-2013, 01:44 PM
Dave. Has anyone ever told you, you look like a heavier version of Jeff Foxworthy...?

Anyway. More pictures.

T-spoon
10-15-2013, 07:25 AM
Dave. Has anyone ever told you, you look like a heavier version of Jeff Foxworthy...?

Anyway. More pictures.

No, no one has ever told me I look like the heavier version of anyone... :hehe:

Um yeah. I'll get to pictures.. just.. not happy right now. It fired up first try but there are problems. Won't go into first gear and clutch pedal went to the floor.. and I didn't undo any of the lines doing the swap so I don't know why I have no action from the slave cylinder and floor pedaling. Must have gotten air somehow. No idea how though.

T-spoon
10-16-2013, 07:34 AM
Ok ok, I know I suck at pictures. There will be some in a day or two. Car is up and driving. I have some things to sort out (intake leak... DOH!) and don't have 1st gear at the moment, but she lives and I can get to work tomorrow!

MCcelica
10-16-2013, 08:06 AM
Awesome! :)

T-spoon
10-18-2013, 04:48 AM
Ok, here are some pictures. I don't feel like captioning each one right now.. so.. meh..

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000536.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23327)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000545.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23331)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000539.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23328)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000541.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23329)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000542.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23330)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000547.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23332)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000548.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23333)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000549.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23334)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000550.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23335)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000553.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23336)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000554.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23337)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000557.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23338)

MCcelica
10-18-2013, 06:26 AM
Lazyass. Caption your shit!

Lol, looks like fun. Wasn't all that long ago, my 2zz looked like that.

T-spoon
10-27-2013, 11:57 PM
Got my first drive today with it fully functional including first gear. Man what a difference. Very fun. It's certainly not as visceral as all the horsies and tire spinning ear-splitting loudness of the supra, but it really feels like a true sports car now :) I'm running the stock muffler right now, but honestly I really dig how it sounds. I need to find out how restrictive it is for the 2zz, and have a feeling I'll have to upgrade it eventually, but I don't want it getting loud and unruly sounding.

T-spoon
10-28-2013, 03:21 AM
Alrighty, a few pics the wife took while we were dropping the trans. Yes, the look on my face in those pictures is "Clueless". It was definitely just a logic puzzle figuring out how to get it working like it was supposed to as I've no experience with this, nor had I a manual to reference.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000575.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23352)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000578.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23353)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000579.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23354)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000582.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23355)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000588.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23356)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000590.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23357)

And puttin' it back in...
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000592.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23358)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000593.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23359)

In case you're wondering, the jack and two-by-four are not doing any major lifting or supporting, just positioning for attaching the other mount points. Trans was already bolted to the engine at that point (thing only weighs like 80 lbs anyway, heh!)

Oh, the driver side stub REFUSED to come out of the LSD. I about lost my mind but was finally able to pop it free with some nail-biting prying between the ring gear and case. The c-clip retaining ring just did not want to let go.

celica9303
10-28-2013, 05:20 AM
Awesome! The spyder with a 2zz is something I've always wanted drive. Ive driven the 2zz in a celica gts, matrix xrs and the corolla xrs. Fun little motors.

T-spoon
02-23-2014, 04:22 AM
Took care of a couple last things on the 2zz swap today. I've been driving it since October with the stock muffler, CHE mid with hi-flow cat and MWR swap header. I bought a used PPE single exit piece from a member on spyderchat and decided to see how it would go with the CHE mid. It actually bolted up and sealed well enough, but to me it looked like leaking was a matter of when, not if. Luckily I'd already talked to PPE about what I planned to do, and they were extremely helpful and sent me the right expander pipe and flange. I took a short drive to Midas up the street from me and had them cut off the CHE's flange and weld on the adapter from PPE. I'm happy with the results. I know a better matched exhaust would be better, but I already had the swap header and CHE mid (the whole project was on a very tight budget), so I wanted to see how they work together and how they'd sound. It actually sounds pretty nice, slightly louder than with the stock muffler, but not obnoxious. I'll post vids of a comparison before and after in a couple days. Here's what it looked like test fit prior to the weld being laid down (I put all of the heat shielding back in when I got home, I just wanted it to be out of the way for the exhaust work):

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000005.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23570)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000004.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23569)

After I got home and buttoned everything up, I decided to see if I could make the 1zz engine cover work on the 2zz. Perfect fit and gorgeous? Nope, but it's free, and it should keep most of the water off the coils. I just clipped off the pieces of plastic that kept it from laying flat and then drilled a couple of holes so I could bolt it down to a couple of unused spots above the fuel rail. Maybe some day I'll spring for a proper cover, but for now it's ok.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000006.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23571)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000008.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23573)

crymson
02-24-2014, 01:10 AM
It really doesn't look too bad, but, does it vibrate or rattle?

T-spoon
02-24-2014, 01:44 AM
Which, the exhaust or the engine cover? As far as I can tell so far, neither do. The foam backing on the cover probably keeps it from making (much, any?) noise.

T-spoon
02-24-2014, 01:54 AM
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Murgatroy
02-24-2014, 02:23 AM
Sounds good.

KoreanJoey
02-24-2014, 03:58 AM
Nice. Bring it out to the track. :)

T-spoon
02-24-2014, 04:10 AM
^ I do plan on it. I'm a little concerned though about oil starvation. The 2zz pan has no baffling and I've read some horror stories about tracking them without a different pan. Maybe that's less of an issue with Autox than an actual road course with longer sweepers, I dunno

KoreanJoey
02-24-2014, 04:38 AM
I honestly don't know. I'd imagine it's more of a problem with sustained load in one direction. Just make sure it's topped off (might even throw an extra quarter quart in there if you're really worried).

grimmythereaper
02-24-2014, 05:06 AM
sounds sweet :)

MCcelica
02-24-2014, 06:58 PM
sustained load in one direction. Just make sure it's topped off

... baby...

crymson
02-25-2014, 04:51 AM
I honestly don't know. I'd imagine it's more of a problem with sustained load in one direction. Just make sure it's topped off (might even throw an extra quarter quart in there if you're really worried).

I run an extra 1/4 to 1/3 of a quart in my 2zz with the stock celica pan (After reading a bunch of people doing this for 50000+ miles without problems), and I've got a buddy who runs a full quart extra in his. I think he's crazy, but so far he's only blown up his transmission, which I doubt has anything to do with too much oil. i've been doing it for about 10000 miles now (almost two years) without problems.

T-spoon
02-25-2014, 05:25 AM
Meh, in any event, I'm more likely to race with the supra since I've put the money into it already. Even though the Spyder is a good autox platform, it's our daily driver, while we can get by just fine if I break the supra again.

T-spoon
04-27-2014, 02:03 AM
Ok, so I DID run the Spyder at that autox event... and realized the shocks weren't just bad, they were really bad.. so the Spyder got new suspension along with some chassis bracing.. (lazy copy and paste of my post on Spyderchat below):

So I just installed Koni yellows with H&R springs and figured I'd comment on the process. First impression: Good grief MRSpyders are easy to work on! If I had been doing a simple swap of stock shocks or direct replacement like KYBs it would have been silly fast and easy. But honestly even muddling my way through the Koni insert process without a vise or even second pair of hands it was pretty easy. For anyone not wanting to go with a pricey "coilover" setup but wanting an upgrade, I really think they should not be put off by the job. As noted by others, it's just a matter of drilling the bottom hole, draining the fluid, measuring the amount to cut off the top and making the cut. Halfway between hard and soft seems to be nice for driving around. I get to test them at an autox event tomorrow.

I do have a couple of pointers for inserting the Koni's into the housings: Clean out the housing well. I swabbed them (the way you'd clean a gun barrel) and then liberally spritzed inside with brake cleaner. Then I put a little grease on the inside and twisted as I pushed the inserts in. With the exception of one, they went in easily this with no fuss. The only exception was that one of the rears had kind of a careless weld blob that I had to grind down because it was snagging.

Here are just a couple pics of the process (my stocks were DONE. The driver front I could push down with one finger and it wasn't able to push itself back up, and instead of the normal clearish fluid, it looked like cv joint grease when I drained it. eewwwwwww).

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000042.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23744)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000043.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23745)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000044.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23746)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000045.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23747)
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000046.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23748)

Oh yeah, I installed one of these (breastplate chassis brace goes on the bottom about mid-car) along with a front strut tower brace.. and noticed the small strap brace at the rear that the breastplate replaces was bent from having something go under the car and whack it. Yikes!

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/wp_000041.jpg (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23743)

underscore
04-28-2014, 01:01 AM
So what holds the inserts in, the weight of the car?

T-spoon
04-28-2014, 05:48 AM
So what holds the inserts in, the weight of the car?

Oh, no, nothing so mundane! Friction and a big bolt through the bottom of the strut housing that threads into the bottom of the insert. The bolt actually draws the insert down as you tighten it and raised bits on the insert are forced into the strut housing. I doubt you could pull the insert out even if you then removed the bolt without some serious force.

underscore
04-28-2014, 06:23 AM
Interesting, that sounds a lot easier than the whole welding dealie people do with the Alltracs.

andy
05-06-2014, 09:41 PM
some have to weld due to no access below the strut