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Car_Barn_Bandit
02-20-2013, 01:21 AM
David, this one's for you.

Looks like the last of 3 sports creations from Toyota will be coming from their partnership with BMW next year.

First, a lower, slower, 5 door hatch then the FR-S/GT-86 with 1.5L flat 4.

FR-S Hatch (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/02/baby-scion-fr-s-rumored-to-be-20000-rear-drive-hatchback.html)

The second rumored vehicle will replace the BMW Z4 and reintroduce the Supra with a 400hp 2.5L turbo power-plant.

Supra / Z4 (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/02/toyota-supra-successor-bmw-z4-rumored-to-share-new-platform-based-on-gt86.html)

grimmythereaper
02-20-2013, 02:52 AM
cant wait to see real production pics

crymson
02-20-2013, 04:27 AM
Can you really call a car a Supra if it doesn't have an inline 6?

KoreanJoey
02-20-2013, 04:34 AM
Yes.

T-spoon
02-20-2013, 04:57 AM
I guess it can't be helped that it looks like a Zcar

KoreanJoey
02-20-2013, 10:10 AM
I like this one.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/01/toyota-86-trd-griffon-concept-sheds-500-pounds-to-go-ferrari-fast-2013-tokyo-auto-salon.html

david in germany
02-20-2013, 02:55 PM
David, this one's for you.

Looks like the last of 3 sports creations from Toyota will be coming from their partnership with BMW next year.

First, a lower, slower, 5 door hatch then the FR-S/GT-86 with 1.5L flat 4.

FR-S Hatch (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/02/baby-scion-fr-s-rumored-to-be-20000-rear-drive-hatchback.html)


I would be willing to bet they will change it from a 1.5l 4cyl to something similar to BMW's design team would run with ie; 1.5l 3cyl. BMW has been working toward a standardized parts engine family. each piston will work in each engine reguarless of size. Also Mini is planned to start using the 3 cyl 1.5l in most of its cars and still be capable of pushing 175hp+

Car_Barn_Bandit
02-20-2013, 03:39 PM
I like this one.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/01/toyota-86-trd-griffon-concept-sheds-500-pounds-to-go-ferrari-fast-2013-tokyo-auto-salon.html

That's what happens when you become Fiat owned. I like the throwback colors, that's one hot Toyota.


BMW has been working toward a standardized parts engine family. each piston will work in each engine reguarless of size.

That can't be efficient, can it? It also takes away the character of each engine. I suppose that doesn't mean the rod and crank stay standard across platforms. Interesting.

underscore
02-20-2013, 08:03 PM
So will we be getting a Toyota with obscene repair costs and electrics that don't work, or will we be getting a BMW that's reliable and cheap to maintain?

Lonestag
02-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Hmmm, I can't recall, what happened last time Germany and Japan did somthing together?

Car_Barn_Bandit
02-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Hmmm, I can't recall, what happened last time Germany and Japan did somthing together?

Japan suffered :(

Daimler-Chrysler/Mitsubishi Alliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaimlerChrysler-Mitsubishi_alliance)

underscore
02-20-2013, 08:56 PM
I forgot about that Mitsubishi fiasco, I never realized it was THAT bad.

Car_Barn_Bandit
02-20-2013, 09:12 PM
I forgot about that Mitsubishi fiasco, I never realized it was THAT bad.

The billions in losses are kind of shocking.

david in germany
02-20-2013, 09:51 PM
That can't be efficient, can it? It also takes away the character of each engine. I suppose that doesn't mean the rod and crank stay standard across platforms. Interesting.
I average 34-35 mpg in my 2l BMW 118i and the newer BMWs do better than mine. cranks will be different, rods will be the same.

KoreanJoey
02-20-2013, 10:02 PM
Mitsubishi was a fiasco all by themselves.

Car_Barn_Bandit
02-20-2013, 10:53 PM
Mitsubishi was a fiasco all by themselves.

You can see the numbers before Daimler bought a 90% stake. It must have been really bad if the numbers plummeted and continued to plummet after leadership changed.

T-spoon
02-21-2013, 04:14 AM
Mitsubishi was a fiasco all by themselves.

Was?

MrWOT
02-21-2013, 05:19 AM
If that 1.5 is a short stroke, that could be a really fun car if they cut the weight enough.

Hipster Lawrence
02-21-2013, 05:39 AM
Was?

I think they're done. In the us anyway. They may still market commercial vehicles here but I don't see them continuing to sell passenger cars for much longer. It's unfortunate too cause they finally seem to have gotten it right.

Flux
02-21-2013, 05:40 AM
Hmmm, I can't recall, what happened last time Germany and Japan did somthing together?

WW2?

KoreanJoey
02-21-2013, 07:27 AM
Evo is definitely a damn fun car. And still sucks less to work on than an alltrac.

Lonestag
02-21-2013, 02:55 PM
WW2?

Lol, yeah, thats what I was getting at.

But seriously, I think BMW and Toyota are a good pair, at least both are known for quality...

crymson
02-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Except that BMW's quality comes at the cost of having two Bavarian mechanics on your permanent payroll.

T-spoon
02-21-2013, 04:52 PM
Evo is definitely a damn fun car. And still sucks less to work on than an alltrac.

You just have to not mind how ugly they are =)

KoreanJoey
02-21-2013, 05:31 PM
There is that.

buffalohunter7321
02-21-2013, 10:08 PM
What ever happened to just plain old RICER'S!!!!!!!!

Siyx
02-22-2013, 09:39 PM
Honda grew up, that's what happened to plain old ricers. Now they make executive looking cars for an older crowd.

Car_Barn_Bandit
02-22-2013, 09:43 PM
What ever happened to just plain old RICER'S!!!!!!!!


Honda grew up, that's what happened to plain old ricers. Now they make executive looking cars for an older crowd.

Them ricers had children.

MCcelica
02-23-2013, 12:23 AM
They got tired of being associated with ricers...