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07-25-2012, 08:48 PM
Finally starting a project thread here. I have had the car since Aug 99. Its gone through quite a few changes, and its been quite the adventure.

The car was perfect when I got it. It started out red. I flew to MI to get it.

I was in a fender bend and my dad convinced me to use his painter friend to fix the car. The car offered to paint the whole car another color for the cost of paint.

I later regretted it since he disapeared and the paint washed and chipped off.
It did produce an awesome color when the sun was going down. I drove it like this for a while.

Here I am at the 2nd Celica dragon meet back in 02 or 03.

I blew the engine due to a silicone hose being sucked into the turbo and spraying all its oil out on the hwy. I was given such insulting offers for the car I decided to let it rot before giving it away.

The weekend I blew the engine I decided I was done working on cars and went to get a 350z. I enjoyed the car for a while but decided I did not like debt so I went to bring my alltrac back to life. I ordered a new shortblock where UPS managed to loose amd smash. I then discovered MR2 guru in asheville and ordered a st205 engine from them. It took a long time for me to get the car done. I ended up paying the Z off before I could even finish the car.

Once the car was done it was sent off to a paint shop which ended up being a whole drama that involved the police. The guy did not even own a paint shop... but any how it was a long story.

After collecting my car, I took it to a real paint shop and had the car painted GT Silver Metallic. I now get to enjoy it a bit, and will enjoy it more once I get the AC fixed. Once I do my BBK I will be selling my Z. We are having a kid so there is no point for me to have a 2 seater anymore.

RC Gtfour hood and front bumper
Porsche GT Silver Metallic Paint
Sportmax 050 wheels: 17x9 38et wrapped in 255/40/17 tires
Custom front lip

Momo Steering Wheel
AE92 Short Shifter
Momo Shiftknob
Autometer Boost Gauge
Autometer Water Temp

Tein HA Coilovers and Pillow Mounts
Cusco Underbrace
Super Pro Bushings
Whiteline Strut bars
Whiteline Rear swaybar
Solid Rear lsd mount
25mm rear spacer
Torsen rear lsd

Engine/ Transmission
Rev3 3sgte and water to air intercooler
Ford Racing Intercooler Pump
Uprated Mustang Cobra Heat Echanger
greddy profec b spec 2 (15psi)
ASI racing radiator
Custom intake + K&N filter
3" Turbo back exhaust to 2.5" Sard Mig exhaust
RC gearbox

In progress
5x114 conversion
Rear 205 brakes
Front wilwood superlight setup
tie rod flip kit
front lip


When its not cloudy out, the paint is quite shiny.

With another local gtfour.

The interior is in good shape, it just needs to be cleaned well.

I need to clean the engine bay some as it still has a bit of dust in it. I may make a panel for the air filter as well. The contraption on the top is the water to air intercooler.

A shirt I am making inspired by the car.


With a local 6th gen.

At the years first autox.

Winter wheels (I need to fixed a curbed one and paint them all one color)

And the front lip I just finished working on today. After it has some time to cure I will mount it.

07-25-2012, 08:55 PM
As for other projects I am working on now. I am working on gtfour inspired shirts.




I am also working on converting the car to 5x114 bolt pattern and installing my BBK. The brake kit will save me 12lbs of unsprung weight on each wheel in the front.


I am currently trying to remove my rear spacers but they seem stuck. I think I am going to have to use a hub puller or something to remove them.

07-25-2012, 09:37 PM
I do love the way this car looks. That colour + the RC bits really modernize the look of the car.

PS can't you take screenshots?

07-25-2012, 09:40 PM
I know I can take screen shots, but I post to instagram to update people on projects I am doing. That's why they are taken that way.

07-27-2012, 03:41 AM
One corner done.

07-27-2012, 08:53 AM
The car looks great man! Good to see you finally got it back and have it running.

The Captain
07-27-2012, 01:51 PM
Who's the young, skinny dude with all the hair? LOL!

07-27-2012, 04:06 PM
The car looks great man! Good to see you finally got it back and have it running.

Thanks. I have been driving it around the past year. Once I get these brakes and 5x114 conversion done, I will sell the Z. Only two months left before my kid is born, so no need for a 2 seater anymore.

And Jon, that is me circa 1999. I had long hair most my life... till I started falling out like it was on fire.

08-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Well my order came in from 1st toyota. For what I paid for shipping, the packaging is pretty shitty. I miss when I could get parts directly from TRD. They also did not send my wheel bearings, which I needed the most right now. I was hoping to drop off my spindles this week to get the new hubs pressed. Maybe it will still show, but who knows.

Anyhow, here is my nice new corner lights and the supra front emblem. I had to cut the top peg off, and cut 2/3's off the bottom peg. It fits well though. My old corners go into storage for those in case moments.


08-16-2012, 06:47 PM
So 1st toyota is trying to say they packed the items and shipped them. Of course they did not. So I gave them all my info, and hopefully they will make this right.

08-28-2012, 02:31 AM
So my tie rod flip kit is now installed. It was harder than expected. I am keeping my dust shield and that prevented me from using my vice. I had to rig up a solution for mounting the spindles and drilling them. Drilling went quick, coming up with a solution to use them with my drill press was the time consumer. Here you can see the bottom and top of the kit installed. That stuff oozing out is epoxy. The one I did first was already cured and it feels solid.


My wife is getting sick of the time this brake project is taking me. The baby will be here soon, and I need this car done so the Z can leave. I drew up my possible caliper brackets. I am waiting on the quote from the steel place to see what it would take to cut the outline, then I will just drill my on holes once they get here.

09-17-2012, 07:15 PM
Josh are the mounting holes between the ST185 and the 6g the same? I know that they are between 165/185, I'm not sure if that carries over to the common 6g as well...

09-17-2012, 07:20 PM
Yep, the mounting holes are the same from 4th gen to 7th gen celicas. 185 brakes can bolt up to a 20x and 7th gen brakes can as well. Had I sold my 205 calipers I was going to buy the trd stoptech kit made for the 7th gen. I might had needed a small spacer, but it should had fit on my 185 based on some of the threads I found on the 6th gen and 7th gen forums. I still need to sell my 205 brakes. Hopefully soon.

My brackets are now done.

Started as a drawing. that I based off of measurements from an old bracket gtfour77 sent me with the kit. I tweaked it for my height difference and with some actual drawings I found of the willwood calipers and a bracket made for the 205. The 205 drawing was off by 1mm vs my template and my guestimate for height was off by 1mm too tall. Took me 3 or 4 plexiglass templates. If I was to do it over again, I would use some thicker plaster but it might be harder to cut the outer shape by hand.

I don't have any sophisticated machinery are know a whole lot about methods, so I came up with my own. Since I threaded my template I could not center the bit on it as easily since the hole was a little larger. I bought a long m12x1.25 bolt and cut the head off to center my hole on the chuck. I then swapped to the drill bit to get my hole.

Then I had to tap it. I think its pretty hard to get a perfect 90 degree tap in metal. So I double sided taped the plexi template on it, and then screwed in the tap into the old bracket. I was then able to line that up with the threads on the plexi template and then I was able to screw in the tap and get a perfect hole.

Here is my final bracket next to the old one that gtfour77 used with vette rotors. Now I just need to make my other bracket, then I can start working on the hydraulic system and getting back on the road. The baby will likely be here in a week, so I am busting butt. Doing this on top of working on the house, doing my job and preparing for the baby.

09-18-2012, 01:15 AM

What are the material specs and thickness that you're using for the bracket? Any heat or flex concerns?

I've been following your big brake since your original thoughts on the 205 4-pots....

09-18-2012, 02:38 AM
The metal is 3/8s steel. Its some heavy duty stuff I ordered from a steel company. I had told them my application, then told them I wanted something a little stronger. Not really any heat or flext concerns. Though it looks small, its beefier than anything I have seen on most off the shelf kits. After doing this though, I do have confidence to had made something with the 205 calipers. I mostly opted out cause this was already setup for my 5x114 conversion and its super light. Too rare a chance to find a setup this light and cheap to maintain. Rotor rings are about $30 each so its just as cheap to replace rotors as it was on a stock alltrac.

09-30-2012, 01:27 AM

09-30-2012, 01:30 AM
Very nice looking

09-30-2012, 02:51 AM
Coming along very nice Josh.

09-30-2012, 03:15 AM
lookin good

09-30-2012, 03:21 AM
Thanks guys. Hoping to wrap it up this week.

10-03-2012, 01:08 AM

10-03-2012, 02:52 AM
Looks great Josh! When the sun's up and the baby's asleep, get some better pics in!!! :)

10-03-2012, 04:13 AM
Thanks. Baby takes up a lot of time. I need to bleed the system again, then make a few tweaks. Hopefully it will get sunny again. Looks like rain the rest of the week.

10-05-2012, 01:59 AM
One thing I did do today was fit my rays from my 350z. The tire size is of course too tall, but if I ever wanted to run 18s this would be a great option. I likely will always run 17s though. You can also get a better look at the supra pearl black emblem.


10-05-2012, 03:26 AM
Nice project, so how do those brakes feel?

10-05-2012, 04:13 AM
Have not been able to test them yet. I have a stripped bleeder screw on one of my 205 rears, so I need to repair that to finish my bleeding.

10-26-2012, 11:16 PM
So it looks like I am to my stopping point with the car for a while. I have a couple small things to do like adjust the fender line I welded up to prevent rubbing, a new cotter pin on one caliper to make it quieter and then just a spot inspection after some more drives to see how ever thing is holding up. I also need to drop it off for an alignment next week. But now that I am caught up, I won't be messing with too much car stuff for a while. I'll still post around some, but my focus now has to be my career and skill set. I will try and post here to update on the shirts I am doing, but if you just add Noritoy to your favorite ebay sellers you should get some sort of notification once I list stuff. I plan on doing one gathering with Mark and maybe some of the other locals but other than that the car will just get some short drives here and there. But for the most part my energy will be going into my career and new family.

Mods to date:
St205 engine and intercooler with upgraded heat exchanger
ford racing intercooler pump
greddy profb spec2
3" turbo back exhaust to a Sard MIG catback
custom K&N intake
RC gearbox
St205 rear torsen LSD
Super pro suspension bushings
Whiteline rear sway bar
whiteline f/r stut bars
Racing beat adj endlinks
tein HA coilovers
Mario Konig Rear solid LSD mount
Cusco Chasis underbrace
front 5x114 conversion
rear 25mm spacers
(Summer) sportmax 050 17x9 /(winter) ADR Fuel
st205 rear calipers and brakes
BFG braided lines front Revolution rear lines
Custom wilwood BBK with 2 piece rotors
Short shifter
Autometer boost and water temp in custom column pod
RC Hood and Bumper
Pearl Black toyota emblem
HKS Turbo timer
Momo Shift knob and Steering wheel
Battery relocated the trunk
ASI Aluminum radiator
JVC headunit with Kicker subs in the doors
Gt Silver Metallic paint.
RC Hood and bumper
JDM front corner lights

I am sure there are other odds and ends I might have left out, but that is a majority of the parts dropped in this car.

Here are the latest pics. Its cold again, but at least the weather is nice.

10-27-2012, 02:57 AM
Car looks great Josh!

10-27-2012, 03:01 AM
Thanks. Maybe next year I might make it up to one of those meets. Though until I get used to the new baby life I won't be going to very many places.

10-28-2012, 08:42 PM
lol you are more than welcome whenever you can find the time. :)

10-28-2012, 11:46 PM
Looks fantastic Josh! I think this may be the first time in history on here that someone has called their project "complete"..haha. I understand though, life gets crazy once you have a little one. (mine is 11 months old now) But after everything you have gone through with this car, you have definitely earned it. Take the time now to enjoy your family, and enjoy the car too when you can slip out for a cruise here and there.

:) :)

10-29-2012, 12:00 AM
Thanks. Wish I could call it done. Likely never be done. Its just at a point where there is nothing I "need" to do to it. Well just a couple things. Need an alignment this week, then next spring I will finish the AC project. I did not need to do the brakes, but I wanted them done while I still had my Z as a back up. I will enjoy it for a bit, then once I get my career moving, I will do more.

08-26-2013, 05:46 PM
Went to a car show with Trumanpriest today.

Most of the pics can been seen here: http://cmsgt4.blogspot.com/2013/08/import-face-off-2013-stl.html
Here are the ones from instagram.


08-27-2013, 11:30 PM
It's looking really good Josh. Looks like that was a pretty cool car show too.

08-28-2013, 01:26 AM
Thanks Mike, hope all is well with you.

08-28-2013, 05:46 PM
Looks amazing as usual, thanks for sharing the love over here. I still want your rims.

08-28-2013, 05:59 PM
Thanks, I'd sell them if I had the funds for my next set of wheels planned. Still waiting for the company to make a 5x114 pattern as well. EDIT: These are the wheels I think I'll be getting next. 16.5lbs and a great price.

08-28-2013, 10:15 PM
Ah im not a fan of BBS style rims on these things, I was going to get a set of volks like yours but i cant ever remember the name of the things.

09-15-2013, 10:39 AM
i cant quite put my finger on why exactly, but this is one of my favourite st185's. theres something about it that i just love and cant stop looking at it. keep it up man!

09-16-2013, 07:42 PM

04-02-2014, 01:37 AM
I finally got around to starting my vlog for the project. Its my first time in front of the camera, and I am still sorting out cinematography and editing but I learned a lot from this first episode. I am planning more soon. I'll be doing some covering all my mods, some stuff I am working on and some interviews with locals. Anyhow, check it out and subscribe.

04-02-2014, 04:33 AM
subcribed :)

04-02-2014, 04:51 PM
Thanks. :D

04-22-2014, 04:40 PM
Episodes 2 and 3 are up. Audio is improved for the 3rd.

04-23-2014, 12:43 AM
f"in awsome

05-23-2014, 05:38 PM
A new video is up. This one give you a look into magazines and media I have on the alltrac/ gtfour. I cover hyper revs, and some other articles.

06-27-2014, 02:06 AM
A new vid is up. This one is about body kits and the design aesthetics of the car. Get a snack and watch in full screen. Its a long video. http://youtu.be/9HxgCG08gJw

07-24-2014, 08:48 PM
Some experimentation.

07-25-2014, 03:42 PM
I would try to pull the end of the splitter up more. The point should match with the bottom edge of the bumper..... Other than that, it matches up pretty good!

07-27-2014, 03:01 AM
I am likely going to make something that lines up with it and then blends into the new fuel tank cover. I can not pull it up much more since that is where the built in brackets mount.

07-27-2014, 04:22 AM
Ive always loved your car.

07-28-2014, 04:32 PM

09-12-2014, 08:07 PM
Found some cool stuff at a yard sale today. Now I just got to save up for some seat brackets.


09-17-2014, 02:10 PM
Nice pickup Josh. The yard sales in my area never have anything like this.

10-22-2014, 10:20 PM
A new vid on brake duct design.

10-26-2014, 06:56 AM
I have a set of brackets if you'd be interested in them. They were professionally made but I never got around to installing them, I got rid of the seats so I have no use for the brackets anymore.

10-27-2014, 02:54 AM
They fit a st185? How tall are they, do they have built in sliders? I was going bride because I need to lower my position as my head sits against the roof even without a helmet. How much are you trying to sell them for?

10-28-2014, 08:46 AM
Built for st184 by Wedge Engineering but would be an easy fit for a st185 if you have a welder, just flip 1 bolt plate. No sliders, they were included on the seats I had but have universal mounting holes drilled.

I don't remember what I even paid for them, probly in the $150 range. Honestly if you want them make an offer, they aren't doing me much good.

10-28-2014, 04:27 PM
How tall are they? I currently have wedge rails and recaro sliders and they are too tall to fit the seats in the car. That is why I was going to get brides since they are just over 1" slider and rail together.

10-29-2014, 03:29 AM
I'd have to measure them, but I'm not home for another couple weeks. IIRC they were fairly low profile, maybe an inch over the front mounting point and 2 over the rear to make the seats level. When I get back I'll put one into give you an idea.

10-29-2014, 04:12 PM
Ok. I have a feeling it will still be too high. The recaro slider is quite tall too. I am waiting on a quote for the bride rails. I have a feeling that is the route I am going since the rail and slider are built in and just over 1" tall and I will gain the maximum head room that way.

10-31-2014, 01:09 AM
have you considered a Recessed headliner?

That would probably be a ton more work, but a thought if nothing else.

10-31-2014, 02:00 AM
I would have to remove the sunroof mechanics and make a roof plug to gain head space. I may do that some day, but that is much more involved and expensive than buying a lower bracket.

12-11-2014, 05:13 AM
Latest episode is up. Install Recaro seats, bride rails and gather weights of the facotry seats.


12-11-2014, 05:59 AM
Nicely done :)

12-11-2014, 07:59 AM
Thanks. :)

12-11-2014, 06:35 PM
Almost makes me want to get another alltrac. Almost...

Looks great!

12-11-2014, 09:12 PM
Thanks. Keep watching the videos and I might convince you yet. Just wait to see what I am cooking up for next season.

12-12-2014, 02:43 PM
Thats a really nice and clean looking setup. Would have thought you might have shaved a little more weight, but it all adds up I suppose. How are they for comfort?

And yeah, keep making the vids!

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

12-12-2014, 05:10 PM
Thanks. The seats are quite comfortable. I think the bigger weight savings come from going fixed back. The guts inside that move, and still being able to be approved for racing likely keeps them from being too light. If not for having a kid I would like to take for rides I would had gone fixed back, but these work for now.

12-22-2014, 05:00 AM
A final video for the season with review of the recaros and a little talk about suspension plans.

02-23-2015, 10:14 PM
I got some new mirrors from Germany. I chose them for 1) They are lhd glass, and 2) No electronic folding gimmick. I wanted break away mirrors so I don't destroy the stock ones. I might leave them black for a while and maybe paint them down the road unless I finish up a lip by the time I put them on. The weather has been cold and holding my project back.
In other news I ordered a bump steer gauge so I can accurately redesign my suspension. I am still trying to sell stuff to increase my 2015 suspension budget.

03-02-2015, 10:48 PM
Josh, where did you get them, off of Ebay UK or one of the European Ebays? Just wondering. I knew these were out there and I'd like to have a set for my car at some point.

03-02-2015, 11:07 PM
I got them off the 5th gen celica Facebook group. I think they are a better option than the jdm ones.

03-02-2015, 11:20 PM
I agree, plus if you get the ones from the Continent the glass is correct for LHD.

I'll have to start looking seriously.

03-10-2015, 06:37 PM
A new video is up. This one is mostly just taking some weights of a handful of parts.

03-14-2015, 04:13 AM
Nice. I said it before but keep doing these. It's cool seeing some content done a little more creatively. Good info too. You're doing some really interesting things in your suspension experimentation. Pushing way past what most people think about, which is great to see the concepts explored more. Anyway, I like it. :)

03-27-2015, 04:10 PM
Thanks. Its all a big learning experience. It seems the more I read the less I know. I am trying to figure out enough to get the car to behave how I like, however I find there is a huge complex world of chassis engineering that I am trying not to get too deep into as it seemed to drag me down a rabbit hole that will keep me from ever finishing the car because it makes me want to do more things. Right now I am going to keep it simple, but try and make educated decisions.
Here is the video and blog post for bump steer readings. The blog has the data from the video, as well as lots of links for research. I had to reshoot several times but I tried to keep as much of it a concise as possible. Hopefully I didn't botch up my explanations. Much of the video covers setting up the car to measure. I'll be taking more readings with my new setup so I can near zero the bump.

03-30-2015, 05:53 AM
If you were lowered a little over an inch would you be dealing almost entirely with toe out?

03-30-2015, 03:08 PM
Possibly. I'll be running more tests when the new setup gets here. I have to do an alignment for each base height setting so it will take more time for me to setup the other tests. Hoping to do them in the next few weeks.

04-11-2015, 07:36 PM
A quick new video up reviewing a tire storage option.
I got it on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058BMNVU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also picked up a fiber images CF hood.

The Captain
04-12-2015, 12:04 PM
How's the quality of the hood?

04-12-2015, 01:57 PM
Very good. The problem now is the mold no longer exists here in the states so you have to get them second hand. There were 6 from the initial group buy, and I think two more made after that. I know of one for sale right now, but most won't pay that price even though retail was quite high as well. The only grip about it is the cf trim is designed into the hood, so fake cf trim no longer matches. I plan on having new headlight covers made anyhow, so it won't be an issue for me.

04-24-2015, 04:50 PM
St185 vs St205 rear subframe part weights video is up. http://youtu.be/asHtEDcgaDg

04-27-2015, 09:54 PM
Feal 441 coilover unboxing. http://youtu.be/JzrDiX_EI3g

06-15-2015, 07:51 PM
Holy hell, I am happy. I really enjoyed driving the car yesterday. It only got cut short due to a storm.
Feal Test Drive video. More to come soon. https://youtu.be/cCV2JEznT1o

Wife ordered me a fancy camber/ caster gauge for father's day, so I have my old analog one for sale for $50 plus shipping.

06-24-2015, 01:56 AM
So a small update. I had been working on my garage and decided since the car was in a good state to replace the connector that broke off from the water temp sensor. After I finished I started the car and it barely runs now. It gives me a code 22. So now I get to spend important mod time figuring this bs out. So much for driving this summer. I hope I can get through it quickly.

To sort of decompress I made a storage setup for my carbon fiber hood so I can swap between the two as I please and have a nice wall art.


07-06-2015, 06:32 PM
Turns out I broke the EFI connector. I had an extra from the 205 harness so it was an easy fix, and the car has been on the road.
Spent last week working on the wife's honda, so I had to drive her to school in the alltrac. She loved when the boost came on.

A new vid up on the Fierce boost controller.

07-27-2015, 12:23 AM
AC charged, alignment set, got a helmet... and autox was cancelled today for rain.
A new video is up on pillar pods. http://youtu.be/TWO8SrE6HlI

08-24-2015, 11:36 PM
First Autox on the new setup, and first time getting to drive the car how it was meant in a long time. Once the results are published I will put them on the blog. https://youtu.be/XDND_7IoPVw

09-17-2015, 01:37 AM
Video and blog are up for the latest September Autox.

01-06-2016, 10:14 PM
Car's pretty flat on course. Do you think there will be a better turnout for the SM class in 2016?

01-07-2016, 04:43 PM
I plan on going to more events myself, but I do not know how many others might be in my class. Besides my LCA, I have no major plans for the car. I don't want any down time since we have another kid coming next month. So when I get a chance to drive or autox, I don't want to have to deal with a car stuck on jack stands. I will attempt to go for points this next season though, and hopefully improve my skills.