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crymson
03-27-2012, 07:15 AM
I finally went and got my gen 5 from my parents house and brought it home. She's been sitting at my parents house for almost two years (since I bought Rocket (my gen7)), and I discovered a few months ago uncovered, despite being told that it was covered. Anyway after the adventure of using two batteries, I got her home.

The Good:
- The trunk struts are still good from when I replaced them 2 years ago
- The suspension is good, it was a great gift from my dad
- The sunroof motor works, although it seems to be having some problems again, sigh
- The body is straight and seems to be rust free
- The stereo and amp still work

The Bad:
- There's an electrical short that eats batteries and alternators for lunch
- The alternator is dead
- The paint has seen better days
- Needs new rubber
- The leather on the seats is toast
- there is a significant amount of mold/mildew damage
- It has a 5S-FE :toung:

Some pics
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/IMG_0195.JPG

http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/IMG_0197.JPG

http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/IMG_0198.JPG

http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/IMG_0203.JPG

crymson
03-29-2012, 06:11 AM
Started pulling her apart today. I got some new disposable gloves, but forgot to get dust masks. Oh well, tomorrow.

Got the seats out, here's how they looked when I pulled them.
Passenger:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Passanger_Seat_Damage.jpg

Driver:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Driver_Seat_Lump.jpg
Notice that nice lump? Something broke loose inside, but I have no idea what, or how to fix it. Anyone got some ideas? Also, how hard is it to take the leather off, and get it back on? Something I could do with no special tools or training?

And after I got them cleaned up:
Passanger:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Passanger_Clean.jpg
The leather here is completely toast. The irony is that it was the better of the two seats when I bought it. Anybody ever have these reupholstered (or do it themselves)? How much did it cost you? I've got quotes around $500 a seat, and that seems a little on the steep side.

Driver:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Driver_Clean.jpg
This one cleaned up pretty nice, but I replaced it a year or two ago with one in much better shape then mine. The original had most of the foam missing as well as the leather ruined.

back: http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Seats_Back.jpg
The backs of the seats look really good. There's a little bit of damage on the driver, but not enough to worry about at this point.

Floor mats:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Driver_Floormat.jpg
The back ones look pretty good but need some cleaning. I'll post some pics after I've gotten them good and clean. The Passanger front is a little rough, and I haven't decided about it. The driver though isn't even worth the effort. It's very dirty, and has a big hole in it.

http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/SeatBelt_fit.jpg
The seatbelt always got caught under the seat, and I wondered why, now I know.

http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_1/Amp_Fail.jpg
I'm actually a little embarrassed about this. I actually did this, at the time I thought I had done some pretty nice work. Now I'm starting to doubt all of the work I did on the car. sigh.

UtahSleeper
03-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Seat skins can be tedious to remove, but it is manageable. Lots of metal rings hold it in.

You could pull the skins and use them to make a template. That way you can make new skins. There are video's and details out there, just to lazy to look for the ones I have seen lol.

Here is one link:
http://www.fiberglassforums.com/upholstery/12454-new-seat-covers.html

crymson
03-30-2012, 06:21 AM
Did some more work today. Not as many pictures, but I got a couple.
Pulled the short ram today, the filter was gross. really, really gross.
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_2/air_filter.jpg

Other than the air filter and some battery stuff I worked on the inside. Got most of the lower dash pulled apart, took out the center console, and the head, and pulled the amp. I found this, I don't think it came from the factory like this:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_2/kick_panel.jpg

And this is what it looks like underneath. I'm not very happy about this, and I want to get it cleaned up. I have no idea what the rocker switches are wired for, or to, but it's a mess of wires turned back on themselves. :sigh: EDIT: This is "R/B 2" in the electrical manual?
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_2/kick_wiring.jpg

crymson
03-31-2012, 01:20 AM
Decided that the damn electrical should be priority number one at the moment. If i want/need to drive her, or do just about anything with it, I'll need that working. So I pulled the alternator, time to take it down to someone with a bench and see if it's good.
Compulsory picture:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_3/alternator.jpg



Found more fun things while doing this. Pulled the alternator off and this happened:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_3/alternator_brace.jpg

And here's the bolt:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_3/broken_bolt.jpg

And here's where it goes:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_3/broken_block.jpg



So, now to get the alternator tested, if that's not bad I'm in trouble cuz the battery seems to hold a charge, and I can't find any signs of a short after all. I'm hoping that the cheap re-manufactured alternator is the problem. I guess we'll find out.

dontsurf
04-01-2012, 06:09 AM
I had quotes on the reupholstering for these - in NZ, but it seems to be around the same price - in cloth, though. $500 a seat, $600 for the rear bench, $700 for the carpets and the headlining. And he also said $500 to reupholster the steering wheel. I thought for a long time. I need carpets, can't avoid that, but I'm thinking I might see if I can replace them from scrap and get them steamed. Personally, I'm not going near reupholstering myself - I'm terrible at sewing, and my missus won't do it.

Is that the driver's seat with the lump in it? There's a manual tilt mechanism in the lower driver's seat - does that still work? That might have come loose. Is there one on the passenger side? There might be - I think it's just electric lumbar and side support on the driver side, but the upper and lower tilt should still be working.

crymson
04-01-2012, 07:04 AM
I think its a spring, there was a hollow tube abut the size of a pencil that was sticking out, and i removed. The height knob still works. I think that I'm going to pay the money to get the seats done, just not at this very moment. Either way, I'll know for sure what the lump is when I take it in to have it done.

l0ch0w
04-01-2012, 10:24 PM
And this is what it looks like underneath. I'm not very happy about this, and I want to get it cleaned up. I have no idea what the rocker switches are wired for, or to, but it's a mess of wires turned back on themselves. :sigh: EDIT: This is "R/B 2" in the electrical manual?
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_2/kick_wiring.jpg


WAHHH butt connectors make me cry :'(

crymson
04-04-2012, 05:37 AM
Well, cleaned up the inside quite a bit, there's still more to do, but it's looking pretty good for the moment. On the other hand I finally got under the dash and started tackling all of that wire:
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_6/Box.jpg
http://www.crymsonpheonix.com/PublicPictures/BabyDoll_Restoration/Day_6/Wire.jpg

To which all i have to say is this: f*** me. seriously, I've got a broken security system in my car that I've owned for a lot of years now (going on 5?), and I had no idea it was there. They spliced it into just about everything, with both but splices and t-taps. :furious: All I know for sure is that I'm not looking forward to soldering all of this back together.
Also, I need relay box covers, cuz they tossed mine. sigh.

crymson
04-12-2012, 07:50 AM
It's been a while, I've worked on it off and on, but the weather's been a little spotty around here, and I've been having trouble sleeping, so... long story short, I haven't got too much done, but I thought I'd post some pics, since everyone in my house now except me has been sick this week, and I'm starting to get a sore throat...and the weather is supposed to be nice this weekend.
Anyway...

Security system out. I'm not real sure what this did, I'm thinking that it was for a keyfob that I never got, oh well, the wiring was the work of a six year old.
Gone:
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/bd4_security_removed.jpg

most of the damage caused repaired:
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/bd4_wires_repaired.jpg

door stripped down, found some parts downin the bottom that may be important, but I'm not worried about that yet:
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/bd4_driver_door.jpg

And in more exciting news: rust!
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/bd4_console.jpg

Good news is that this seems pretty surfacy, i'm thinking some sanding and paint/por-15/something will straighten things out pretty well.

Things I'm considering while I've got it stripped:
> Keyless entry and *maybe* remote start. This will probably need to be daily material, since I'm not sure I can afford to have two cars long term, and the keyless on my gen7 is sooooo nice.
> Speakers all around ('cept for the 8" focals that are going back in)
> weatherstrip all around
> having the glass reset/sealed
> windows out, and replacing the felt pads, they're looking a little green...
> Battery relocation to trunk. I'm thinking but not convinced, I know that i'm going to swap either a 3S-GTE or a 3S-GE BEAMS into her, and having extra room under the hood is *always* nice.
> small sub in trunk? I've already got 8" woofers for the doors, but bass is always nice...
> insulation/sound dampening
> I'm also considering having the whole body harness out, replacing/fixing all of the damage done to it, adding in the wire I'm going to need and putting new wrap on it. This is the biggest question in my mind, on the one hand I'm not afraid of soldering, tracing, depining, repining, etc. But I don't have diagrams, which could make it real hard to get back together and working right. Also, I'd need to spend more money on wire and wrap.

crymson
03-24-2013, 05:15 AM
It's been a long time since I posted last. I've changed jobs, moved, started dating a girl, broke up with said girl, and seen priorities in my life change. Among the changes is that this car got a new name, Gracie. I don't really know when it happened, but at some point came to hate the name Baby Doll, and she become Gracie. Anyway, I thought I would share some progress made:

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/img_20130323_124447.jpg
I got a nice day finally, and washed her, she still looks like shit, but at least she isn't green anymore.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/img_20130323_165256.jpg
Installed a new steering wheel that was bought from Tecker184, still haven't gotten the harness adapter to plug the airbag in...

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/img_20130323_165245.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/2/3/img_20130323_165223.jpg
Got my remote start working and wired, finally. I still need a neutral safety switch solution, but being that she has no safety equipment or insurance, I'm not worried. for the moment she doesn't even have a neutral safety wire, so she's not going anywhere.

I've completed a few more things since I last posted, but those'll have to wait till tomorrow

187flatliner
03-24-2013, 09:05 AM
portland huh........im around that area all the time...i live in vancouver now but i work in portland off of 84th and stark.

crymson
03-24-2013, 10:20 PM
Hillsboro actually, but no one knows where that is:) I live pretty close to the Fred Meyers at Hwy 26 and Cornelius pass, I'm pretty sure that's where the the OTOC guys meet for their cruises.

187flatliner
03-25-2013, 04:21 PM
yeah thats where we meet for the coast cruise this last time.....we dont always meet in the same spot anymore....we used to meet always down by jiggles and stuff but now were moving around, doing more cruises and stuff

The Captain
03-25-2013, 10:41 PM
I had quotes on the reupholstering for these - in NZ, but it seems to be around the same price - in cloth, though. $500 a seat, $600 for the rear bench, $700 for the carpets and the headlining. And he also said $500 to reupholster the steering wheel. I thought for a long time. I need carpets, can't avoid that, but I'm thinking I might see if I can replace them from scrap and get them steamed. Personally, I'm not going near reupholstering myself - I'm terrible at sewing, and my missus won't do it.


ebay. $500US for the whole car. Buy some nice hog ring pliers. It's easy.