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METDeath
01-21-2012, 10:16 PM
So... getting close to doing the trans swap on my car, probably some time this year. I was wondering what I should go with, this is still my daily driver, but it will probably be boosted in another year or two.

91 5S-FE going to drop rev2 harness and knock sensor on it, maybe a rev 2 head if I can find one in good shape.

Yes, I'm making a 5S-FTE, mostly 'cause I want to and have 90% of the parts already.

Nitro_Alltrac
01-21-2012, 11:23 PM
I've got an Excedy in mine. Not sure the exact model since a PO had done the install. It works great behind the 3S. I'd recommend it and would use one again.

alltracNyx
01-22-2012, 01:12 AM
We've got an Exedy in the 6th gen now. It's definitely great for daily driving.

Tecker184
01-22-2012, 01:24 AM
Also have an exedy, stage one to be specific. But i have also had a exedy OEM replacement in my previous car, I recommend them both.

lalojamesliz
01-22-2012, 07:06 AM
I guess Im the only one with the act full face? It has held up to my driving for 20k miles fine

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-22-2012, 07:27 AM
Because you titled this the way you did, I assume you have needs.

This clutch is both pink AND sparkly.

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/c3/6e/242cd1339b6c74a2cf67c967fbdb.jpg

I am planning on getting an exedy stage 1 or exedy OEM when mine finally dies.

pintoBC_3sgte
01-22-2012, 08:10 AM
Exedy stage 1 in my 5sfte. Works great.

The Captain
01-22-2012, 05:01 PM
Because you titled this the way you did, I assume you have needs.

This clutch is both pink AND sparkly.


Win.

Waffles!
01-22-2012, 09:35 PM
If you get a clutch, you won't have a free hand to grope boobies. Just saying.

alltracNyx
01-22-2012, 10:00 PM
If you get a clutch, you won't have a free hand to grope boobies. Just saying.

He will have a free hand to grab boobies if you drive :p

The Captain
01-22-2012, 11:44 PM
If you get a clutch, you won't have a free hand to grope boobies. Just saying.
If I'm in the back seat, I'll have two free hands. Jus sayin.

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-23-2012, 02:17 AM
If I'm in the back seat, I'll have two free hands. Jus sayin.

Then who gives you the reach-around?

METDeath
01-23-2012, 03:10 AM
If you get a clutch, you won't have a free hand to grope boobies. Just saying.

Sure I will, I just have to take breaks.

KoreanJoey
01-23-2012, 06:15 AM
Um... exedy stage 1:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394383_10150443889018801_533313800_8408231_1642420 959_n.jpg

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-23-2012, 06:32 AM
I recall that was from aggressive driving...

KoreanJoey
01-23-2012, 07:02 AM
Never had problems with my comp stage 4 rigid disk...

Me no likey sprung clutches...

CriScO
01-23-2012, 07:24 AM
Then who gives you the reach-around?
I'll find a way.

METDeath
01-23-2012, 09:32 AM
Yeah, going unsprung, one less thing to go wrong, right?

KoreanJoey
01-23-2012, 09:33 AM
exactly.

actually 4 things.

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-23-2012, 09:51 AM
Increased stress on crankshaft, transmission and drivetrain though, right?

KoreanJoey
01-23-2012, 08:49 PM
Increased stress on the thrust bearings mostly. If you launch hard, then yeah, you could be hard on the trans and axles.

Depends on whether the tires slip or stick.

Hipster Lawrence
01-24-2012, 02:16 AM
Do Toyota thrust bearings even wear? I pulled mine out of the 20 valve and they look brand new. Literally no wear.

KoreanJoey
01-24-2012, 07:22 AM
^That's the thing. I've teared into several engines now and have yet to see a toyota with significant thrust bearing wear. I've ALWAYS had the clutch cancel switch in the car and even my gen 3 3sge with the stage 4 (and HD pressure plate) showed no wear on the thrust bearings.

Luni
01-24-2012, 08:19 AM
I ran the nastiest unsprung clutch/pressure plate combo you can get on a 3SGTE/E153 combo. The ACT 6 puck unsprung with extreme pressure plate. I ran it for over 50k miles. The clutch switch was not bypassed. When the guy who bought my MR2 rebuilt the engine, the thrust bearings were within spec, even on an engine that had over 150k miles on it, 50k of which were abuse by me.

Marshall actually learned how to drive stick on that car.

Im not saying this to recommend that clutch. Cause I dont recommend that clutch. However Im saying that you can go pretty nasty on the clutch and I dont see it becoming an issue with these engines.

Mafix
01-24-2012, 04:11 PM
Never had problems with my comp stage 4 rigid disk...

Me no likey sprung clutches...

this

i'm running the same clutch.

METDeath
01-25-2012, 02:55 AM
So the hard part seems to be that all the performance clutches for Celicas/MR2s are for the 3S-GTE, not the 5S-FE, which is what I'd need.

Waffles!
01-25-2012, 04:55 AM
So the hard part seems to be that all the performance clutches for Celicas/MR2s are for the 3S-GTE, not the 5S-FE, which is what I'd need.

Um... yeah. Performance and 5SFE are kinda mutually exclusive.

KoreanJoey
01-25-2012, 08:47 AM
Email competition. They'll make you whatever you need.

Shit they made me a clutch with the diameter of a 4age and the spline count of a 2001 tacoma...

donteatbugs
01-26-2012, 06:05 AM
I have the stock clutches in my 7th gens and a southbend hd pressure plate (500+ ft lbs of torque) and a 6 puck act unsprung disc in my mr2. I have seen the exedy stage one fail in extreme driving in a tC. The stock exedy replacement should be good though.

vip09
01-26-2012, 08:55 AM
I've had good luck with Southbend clutches. I've had one in my 7th gen for 70k miles and have had zero issues. I had one in my Alltrac and severely abused it regularly.. never a problem even with 2step awd launches.

Just ordered a Clutchmasters FX700 today for my MR2. Hopefully it works out.

METDeath
01-26-2012, 12:46 PM
Ugh... apparently, my post of what all should I ask for never got posted.

So to sum up:
Should I just tell them my power goals and that I want an unsprung or tell them stuff like six puck, kevlar with medium duty pressure plate?

vip09
01-26-2012, 10:43 PM
Let them know your power goals and what you will be using it for (daily/drag/etc.) and what engine/trans you are using. They will then recommend a clutch.

vip09
01-26-2012, 10:47 PM
Check these guys out.

http://dxdracingclutches.com/

Email them, they can make whatever you want.

KoreanJoey
01-27-2012, 08:25 AM
I really, really like Comp... I can't say enough.

Luni
01-28-2012, 05:43 AM
Clutch choice is like oil. Everyone has their choice, and everyone has problems with everyone elses shit.

Just pick one Marshall. Joey races and beats on your platform, follow his advice. Hell if I know.

vip09
01-28-2012, 06:05 AM
I've heard good things about Competition clutches. Clutchmasters are good, ACT is usually good. Just don't get a SPEC clutch.

KoreanJoey
01-28-2012, 07:57 AM
Yeah, I can't really say anything about the others. I own a comp clutch, raced a comp clutch, abused the hell out of it, drove cross country, drove the dragon, etc.

And it'll probably go back into the daily driver after I rebuild the 3sge.

temperacerguy
02-03-2012, 09:39 AM
Clutch choice is like oil. Everyone has their choice, and everyone has problems with everyone elses shit.



100% Correct!

I am an ACT whore, yet I hear so many people that have had problems with ACT clutches, I have never had one problem with an ACT clutch (that wasn't my fault...) I have used them on numerous MR2s, my supra TT, and my Evo. I am putting a full face street disk with extreme pressure plate in my celica (with extended clutch slave rod). I am currently replacing the clutch in my evo with another ACT clutch... not because the clutch failed but because the factory pull style throw out bearing went bad (very poor design on the evo IMHO).

lue
02-06-2012, 06:32 AM
i'm going for the clutch masters clutch for 365 bucks can't beat that..compare to the ACT

temperacerguy
02-06-2012, 07:16 AM
i'm going for the clutch masters clutch for 365 bucks can't beat that..compare to the ACT

OK, $325.99 ACT Heavy Duty pressure plate (19% increase in clamping force) and standard street disk.

http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/ty1-spmm.html

My buddy calls me "Baller on a budget" I always bust my ass to try and get the cheapest price on the best product for my goal (as opposed to finding a product that retails in my budget).

lue
02-06-2012, 07:40 AM
OK, $325.99 ACT Heavy Duty pressure plate (19% increase in clamping force) and standard street disk.

http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/ty1-spmm.html

My buddy calls me "Baller on a budget" I always bust my ass to try and get the cheapest price on the best product for my goal (as opposed to finding a product that retails in my budget).

that's a good deal for a ACT clutch for a modified street disc. 465 on ACT website.. at least it comes with the throw out bearing compare to others and it fits the 5SFE engines..

temperacerguy
02-06-2012, 07:47 AM
Some people complain about ACT's throw out bearing, some people have no problems with them. I've personally had no problems with their TO bearings (except for one that failed that I screwed up being an idiot).

The kit comes with the TO bearing, pilot bearing (if needed, which is not with this application), and the alignment tool.... spend your time aligning the disk, and hold that bitch perfectly straight while someone else puts in at least two bolts till the pressure plate holds the disk in place. It will make mating the tranny/engine much easier.

lue
02-06-2012, 07:51 AM
I've used ACT clutches before on my GSR and it grips real good but just kind of pricey compare to others.. I've never had problems with it either

4thgenceli
02-06-2012, 04:43 PM
I went with Luni's suggestion and spluged on the ACT tc4-hdr6 clutch/pressure plate combo. 6puck, unsprung with HD pressure plate. From the little driving I've done with it, I really enjoy it.

vip09
02-07-2012, 02:24 AM
Just got my clutch today :)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/vip09/MR2/STP64325Small.jpg

temperacerguy
02-07-2012, 02:43 AM
Is that a twin or triple? Are you going to be using a hydraulic TO bearing with that?

temperacerguy
02-07-2012, 02:51 AM
Nevermind the first question, it's a twin....

I like what clutchmasters has been doing lately (past 5 years). They are not making just one "stockable" clutch... They are making the kits to order. from a streetable sprung hub organic twin, to a full out race unsprung ceramic/bronze twin. Which specs out did you choose for that? I see that you chose an alluminum flywheel. Could you take a picture of the mechanical fasteners between the flywheel and the ring gear? This was what I hated about Fidanza, I have seen Fidanza ring gears come off and destroy the transmission. This looks to be a much better design.

I also love the rebuildable nature of these types of clutches... If it wears out, just grab another pair of disks, and wear plates (if not resurfacable) and away you go.

Is the clamping force on this adjustable as it is with some tiltons?

Care to share what you paid for that bad boy?

vip09
02-07-2012, 03:07 AM
I got the unsprung ceramic/bronze. It retains the stock style throw out bearing, but the one they provide looks stronger than the oem unit. I will have to post a pic of it later. This is the only other picture I have right now. I will take a better one later. I got it for $1280 because the website had it listed wrong. They changed the price to $1399 after I ordered.


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/vip09/MR2/STP64333Small.jpg

vip09
02-07-2012, 05:56 AM
Here is the throw out bearing provided from clutchmasters.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/vip09/MR2/STP64336Small.jpg