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Tecker184
07-26-2011, 06:54 AM
Well i did some research looking for a way to repin my ecu. I stumbled apon a pdf, it was a toyota wiring repair manual. It has pins and part numbers the works.

Connectors always begin with 90980-#####. The last five are the numbers stamped on the connector. Terminals always begin with a 82998-#####. Terminals only come from Toyota with a wire attached to it.

I looked on the back of the connectors and pluged the part numbers into 1sttoyota and there available for like 6 bucks a piece all 4 ecu connectors. I made a image containing the part numbers so its easy to order the missing ones.

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/4/9/6/3/ecu_part_numbers.jpg

This website that contains all the wireing info be sure to save it!http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/Toyota%20Wiring%20Repair%20Manual.pdf

temperacerguy
07-26-2011, 07:16 AM
I have a hard copy of that same wiring book.

Does anyone know where the terminals are available separately? Cause I am looking to buy a few hundred.

Tecker184
07-26-2011, 04:50 PM
Are you talking about the pins that go into the housing? Because im looking for them also, toyota does not sell them with out a wire. Not to mention there like 12 bucks each, ouch.

Were did you get the hard copy i look all over the net trying to find one.

zen
07-28-2011, 09:46 PM
hey.... i redid mine too. i found that 1999 camrys have the same plugs and it doesnt matter if it was 4 cylinder or v6 camrys. so go to the local yard and pick them up.

Sang
07-29-2011, 09:27 AM
Terminals always begin with a 82998-#####. Terminals only come from Toyota with a wire attached to it.

And they are expensive as hell. Nearly $15/pigtail and highly cost prohibitive if you're trying to redo all the terminals going to the ecu. You can get small and large ECU terminals from Tyco/AMP, they are usually $0.10/terminal, but price is dependant on how many you buy. Then a $30 double crimp tool for open barrel terminals and you're all set start making your own pigtails.

Poor example of a crimped terminal from making my own jumper harness on a gen2 3sgte (I bent part of the terminal on this crimp on accident):
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/Sang_Han/CrimpedTerminal.jpg

temperacerguy
07-29-2011, 10:03 AM
Are you talking about the pins that go into the housing? Because im looking for them also, toyota does not sell them with out a wire. Not to mention there like 12 bucks each, ouch.

Were did you get the hard copy i look all over the net trying to find one.

I got the hardcopy from the Toyota Dealer. When I owned a shop, I was there probably 4 times a week, they would give me lots of manuals and "fast mover" catalogs and the like. I threw it in a box and never opened it till a month ago. But you're following my thread in the electrical section.

klapa
07-31-2011, 09:03 PM
And they are expensive as hell. Nearly $15/pigtail and highly cost prohibitive if you're trying to redo all the terminals going to the ecu. You can get small and large ECU terminals from Tyco/AMP, they are usually $0.10/terminal, but price is dependant on how many you buy. Then a $30 double crimp tool for open barrel terminals and you're all set start making your own pigtails.

Poor example of a crimped terminal from making my own jumper harness on a gen2 3sgte (I bent part of the terminal on this crimp on accident):
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/Sang_Han/CrimpedTerminal.jpg

That's a common type of crimp termination - I have three different tools for crimping those terms, though they are the "manual" type such that you need to do two or three operations per wire - first the wire connection crimp, and then the insulation (strain relief) crimp. I have actually found that it is best to first crimp the wire connection with a larger size jaw, then crimp it again with the proper size for the wire size. This helps to flatten out and locate the thing squarely before actually crimping it down hard.

I'de like to have that Tyco P/N if you have it - $0.10 sounds a bit too good to be true. I design electronics and use connectors all the time - for example Molex connectors. The shells are really cheap and make you think the connector is cost effective - but they always seem to rape you for the pins. For example - I like the Molex friction lock connectors and use the four pin variety on a number of project - the shell costs about $0.50 - but each pin costs $0.26 - and that is in quantity.

Dr. Tweak sells the individual pins and shells for the Toyota ECU connectors - the pins run about $1.00 each. I've bought some from him - maybe he would reduce the price for a quantity buy.

That doesn't look like such a bad crimp in the pic (though I can't really see the wire connection crimp well) - except the insulation part of the crimp had spread the pin out such that it probably wont slide in the shell properly. That is usually because the pin you are using is not the right one for the gauge of wire/insulation thickness you are using. I have found that in such a case, you can trim off some of the "ears" on the pin shorter before you crimp it and it will turn out fine.

temperacerguy
07-31-2011, 10:26 PM
Hey Klapa,

If you follow my thread in the "electrical and wiring" section, you will see that I've found most of the terminals for the ECU and sensors from various electronics vendors. The easiest place to get most of them (if you are purchasing a few) is from Bmotorsports.com. They are around 15 cents per terminal. When you start buying more in quantity, as sang said, they are available from tyco for about 10 cents cheaper. Sang pointed me to a thread in the FI section a few years ago. Here are the part numbers from that thread:

173631-1 AMP / TYCO In Stock $0.052 large pin (20-16 AWG)
173716-1 AMP / TYCO In Stock $0.045 small pin (22-20 AWG)


Here is also the crimper used to make the above crimp. http://www.delcity.net/store/OEM-Ratchet-Crimping-Tool/p_714008.a_1

klapa
07-31-2011, 11:45 PM
As always, thanks for the info man!

I buy stuff from Tyco all the time at work - I'm gonna go check those P/Ns right away - because I really need to ream out my Alltrac harness.

temperacerguy
08-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Klapa,

check out the "where do I find blade..." thread in the electrical section. I am in the process of finding ALL of the terminals used in the harness, and using all new OEM colored/striped wires. Tonight I am pulling apart the entire harness, and over the next week I am going to document all the connectors, terminals, wire tracings, pinouts, part numbers and so on. I am a bit anal retentive in my wiring... In fact, I am running out to the tool store right now to pick up some calipers for measurements.

Sang
08-01-2011, 12:26 AM
Edit: The following actually has nothing to do with the st215 ecu connectors. So if it's too OT then I can repost in another thread

FWIW - I found 2 of the male pins for sensors. From just looking at the image they show for the terminal, these look to be the right ones for the male terminals on a -10876 female shell (usually used in the fuse box).

Here is a stock wire that I depinned from that connector:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/Sang_Han/48Terminal.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/Sang_Han/48Terminal2.jpg

Tyco/AMP Part Numbers:
917805-2 Large terminal (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/te-connectivity-amp-brand_917805-2.html?p=10529464)
917804-2 Small terminal (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/te-connectivity-amp-brand_917804-2.html?p=10529462)

Granted I don't know 100% for sure, but they look pretty damn identical to me. Unfortunately the one terminal is backordered for like 3-4 months...

klapa
08-01-2011, 12:49 AM
I dunno guys - with the wire and all - I'm smelling a GROUP BUY here!