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LyGuy
07-05-2011, 10:13 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/05/this-800-hp-celica-beat-up-formula-1-cars-at-goodwood-w-video/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/07/goodwood-celica-3-1309888211.jpg

The race was at Goodwill Festival of Speed and it's like a king of the hill type where any car is allowed and anything goes. Don't think it uses the 3SGTE though, as it says it uses an engine from the WRC Corolla. In any case, its twin charged and with nitrous too LOL talk about overkill.
There's a video at the bottom as well, jump to 1:48. But that's not of the same race, it's from another one. Still, that thing is fucking fast!

cms-gt4
07-05-2011, 10:29 PM
The famous y2k gt4x got 4th place as well. These cars proved very well if you look at the competition.

temperacerguy
07-06-2011, 02:18 AM
the WRC corolla was a 3S-GTE derived engine. (factory castings and heads, very well massaged and worked over)(as was the ST205, ST185, and ST165 WRC cars)

MrWOT
07-06-2011, 06:31 AM
503e

temperacerguy
07-06-2011, 11:33 AM
no, the 503e was not in, nor ever was in the WRC corolla, the 503e was a speciality block casting and head that was used in the JTCC and IMSA celicas. It was never used in the WRC. not only is it mentioned in various articles that this car uses an ex WRC corolla engine, Jimmy campaigns a TTE prepared WRC celica. as such, all signs point to 3S-GTE.

Plus, to be honest with you, the development of the 3S-GTE, and all the aftermarket support of the engine gives far more power potential than the 503e engine these days.

cms-gt4
07-06-2011, 04:20 PM
This is not a 503e. Lots of pics posted on gt4dc and alltrac and it is a 3sgte. Its also running more standard bits than one might expect in a car this potent.

CollapsedNut
07-06-2011, 07:58 PM
*creams pants*

reeves
07-06-2011, 08:27 PM
Awesome that it was a Celica.. but it's probably like 30% Celica at this point.. still good to see it win the race!

KoreanJoey
07-07-2011, 12:14 AM
503E = rear drive/ reverse flow.

temperacerguy
07-07-2011, 01:48 AM
503E = rear drive/ reverse flow.

well technically, the 503e (as well as any other engine) can and has be used in any configuration... FWD, RWD, Longitudionally, transversely... I know of one in the back of an MR2 mounted transversely, and what do you mean by "reverse flow"?

cms-gt4
07-07-2011, 03:57 AM
Every thing is opposite.

JDM SNUKUMZ
07-07-2011, 03:58 AM
Every thing is opposite.

you mean like a Honda K-Series reverse flow?

Angel

temperacerguy
07-07-2011, 04:03 AM
what do you mean "everything is opposite" do you mean the intake and exhaust are on opposite sides of the head from the S series? Cause that's not the case....

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr88/kameleon_jdmmr2/Toysport_503E_hoist.jpg

JDM SNUKUMZ
07-07-2011, 04:09 AM
Yeah i was gonna say as well.

Angel

cms-gt4
07-07-2011, 06:22 AM
Well it is on this one out of the pike peak celica.

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6036/503e016ca.jpg

temperacerguy
07-07-2011, 11:15 AM
No.... see the timing belt on the right? you're looking at the throttle bodies of the intake manifold. The transmission is on the left.

If the front of the engine is north...
The transmission is south
the intake is east
the exhaust is west.

same as with the S series engine.

Yes, the starter and oil filter are on the intake side of the block, but that has nothing to do with flow. It's because the 503 was based off of the T-series archetecture, Not the S series as floats around the net so often.

cms-gt4
07-07-2011, 04:49 PM
But if the transmission is on this side would the engine not have to spin the other direction for forward movement?

TNT
07-07-2011, 05:04 PM
Hmm, guess I should've posted this in general. heh...

bzdweezy
07-07-2011, 09:49 PM
looks like a fun car to drive, its always good to see celicas winning things

Luni
07-07-2011, 10:37 PM
Something is amiss here. Those 2 pictures have the engine mounted opposite.

The one with the guy in front of it with the engine on the hoist is set the same way a 3S is. The one in the pikes peak celica is opposite. One of the pictures isnt a 503E I think.

cms-gt4
07-07-2011, 10:59 PM
Well we know the pikes peaks car had a 503. This awd mr2 also had the 503 and its turbo is pointing to the rear rather than the intake.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/Goodwood%20FOS%202007/GoodwoodFOS07033.jpg

In their 503 powered drag car.
http://chriswilson.tv/503E.jpg

The 503 powered eagle race car.
http://www.allamericanracers.com/eagl_mkIII_gtp.html
http://www.allamericanracers.com/images/eagle_mk3_f411x326.jpg

Luni
07-07-2011, 11:05 PM
Now Im really confused.

Is it just me, or does this engine

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6036/503e016ca.jpg

sit exactly opposite of this engine (which sits just like a 3SGTE)

http://chriswilson.tv/503E.jpg

cms-gt4
07-07-2011, 11:16 PM
Bottom engine sits longitudinally. But it would match either way depending how you turn it.

Terracar
07-07-2011, 11:28 PM
They just have been mounted differently. In the pic CMS provided - timing belt is on right side with the intake on front - now spin it around and it sits exactly like the 3s. The tranny is not stock, so the starter is in a diff spot. The only thing that I see amiss would be the oil filter location.

Looking at the engine from back to front (back = tranny side / front = timing belt side) the intake is on the right side for all of the engines pictured except the one in the MR2 - though I cannot clearly see it.

Am I missing something?

-Terracar

Luni
07-07-2011, 11:35 PM
Oh. Then in that case, they DO indeed spin the same direction as a 3S.

cms-gt4
07-07-2011, 11:48 PM
From what I see they all have the intake on the same side of the engine in relation to the timing gears, however being mounted opposite in the pp celica and the 222 mr2, would that not mean they spin in the opposite direction or am I not getting how this works?

Luni
07-07-2011, 11:53 PM
Ok. Look at this pic. Picture youre staring straight at your Celicas 3SGTE. Turbo is the first thing you see. Timing belt to your left (passenger side). Transmission to the right under the battery/intake.

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr88/kameleon_jdmmr2/Toysport_503E_hoist.jpg

Now, picture you were staring at this engine straight on at the turbo. Same thing. Timing gears on the "passenger side". Bellhousing on the "driver side" like it would be on a 3SGTE.

Pretty sure it looks like it sits just like a 3S man.
http://chriswilson.tv/503E.jpg

cms-gt4
07-08-2011, 12:18 AM
Still does not make sense. The bottom engine sits like the one in this pic. Same as any other longitude engine would. So how does that correlate with how it would mount in a mr2? If you took all these engines out and sat them next to each other with the turbos facing the same way, they would all seem to have the same setup, so how is that some can be mounted in the opposite direction?
http://www.mr2australia.com/uploaded/kameleon/201056222137_big_1089574648_PICT0026.jpg

Luni
07-08-2011, 12:30 AM
Dunno. Something isnt adding up, but the majority of those pics show it 3S style mounting.

Hookecho
07-08-2011, 01:32 AM
Lol

MrWOT
07-08-2011, 02:50 AM
search the gallery for 503e, I put in pics of one a while back.

temperacerguy
07-08-2011, 03:17 AM
For the love of god people.... The 503e spins the same direction as the S series. The intake and exhaust are on the same side as the S series. Timing belt North, Intake east, flywheel south and exhaust west. SAME AS THE S seres engines. the AWD MR2 rally car has the engine on the left side of the car because they flipped the ring gear causing the axles and driveshaft to spin the opposite direction.

The oil filter is on the intake side of the engine because the 503e is designed based off of the block of the T series engine, and the oil galleys are on the intake side of that engine.

End of story, no matter how the engine is mounted, the orientation of the intake to the block is the same. full stop.

temperacerguy
07-08-2011, 03:30 AM
Here is picture proof for those that think something is amis.... All "up" arrows are the far side of the engine....
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/503E.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/503e016ca.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/201056222137_big_1089574648_PICT0026.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/GoodwoodFOS07033.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/Toysport_503E_hoist.jpg

Now, please let the debate die....

cms-gt4
07-08-2011, 03:50 AM
So changing out a gear can allow the transmission to work in the opposite directon? That would explain all this.

Luni
07-08-2011, 08:44 AM
Im with temperacerguy, the whole time Ive been seeing the engine rotates the correct direction, and youre confusing me with this backwards bit.

What are you talking about the trans spinning backwards? The engine rotates the correct way!

Terracar
07-08-2011, 02:40 PM
I understand what CMS is talking about - I am assuming the Pike's peak Celica has the intake towards the front of the vehicle (based on the photo). This would put the trans on the passenger side rather than the driver side how the 3s is set up stock. So if the engine rotates the normal way the trans would have to rotate revers to propel the vehicle forward. This is where he is talking about the trans being geared differently since the forward rotational motion of the trans is reversed.

-Terracar

cms-gt4
07-08-2011, 04:59 PM
Terracar gets it!

temperacerguy
07-08-2011, 09:13 PM
ARGhhhh


In the pikes peak celica, the engine is not mounted transversely.... It's mounted longitudionally... the view of the pikes peak celica is from the left side of the car looking to the center. It's not looking from the front.
In this picture....:http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/503e016ca.jpg

The front of the car is to the right, the back of the car is to the left... the left side of that car is furthest from the picture taker, and the right side is closest to the picture taker.

temperacerguy
07-08-2011, 09:27 PM
I understand what CMS is talking about - I am assuming the Pike's peak Celica has the intake towards the front of the vehicle (based on the photo).
-Terracar

You are assuming incorrectly... The picture you are looking at here: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/503e016ca.jpg is from the Right side of the vehicle.... From the perspective of the person taking the picture... The front of the car is to the right, the back of the car is to the left, the intake is on the driver's right, and the exhaust is on the driver's left... I think so many of you are only familliar with transverse 4WD vehicles, that you think this engine is mounted that way... it's not, it's mounted longitudionally, just like the skyline.

In this picture: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff73/temperacerguy/GoodwoodFOS07033.jpg

The engine is mounted transversely 180 degrees opposite from what all of you are used to... the way that they got the wheels to turn the right way, is by using a transmission where the output is opposite rotation than you all are used to. It really is quite simple.

Terracar
07-08-2011, 10:30 PM
yeah, we get the whole mounting thing - see my previous post explaining this (it is prior to your much more visual explanation). So since it has been clarified that the picture of the Pike's peak Celica is from the side, that cleared up the gearbox question from that example.

The last explanation hit the nail on the head. It clarified the question of if the transmission was geared differently.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/27/hasaissuehe128591009138238697.jpg

-Terracar

smog7
07-14-2011, 06:39 AM
love me some 3sgte.

Luni
07-14-2011, 06:40 AM
^Thats not a 3SGTE. Its a 503E.

smog7
07-14-2011, 08:23 AM
well I love me the 3sgte, twin charged rally engine in the orange st205.

rizin
07-31-2011, 06:50 AM
I know the larger pic does spin the same direction as the 3s. The smaller pic I would question since it has pulleys on its right side redirecting the belt so I think it might spin in reverse or counter clockwise. Just a guess LOL.

mikecole89
08-17-2011, 01:50 AM
thats nasty!