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CollapsedNut
03-08-2011, 09:22 PM
Hey you celica sluts.
I like the Cometic and all, but its kinda outa my budget and far above my needs for a stock engine.
Whats some other good ones and should I look for MLS soly or is fiber a valid option? Just lookin for some input.

4thgenceli
03-08-2011, 09:24 PM
OEM from Toyota.

I don't trust the felpro ones you can get from the parts stores, I had two go out on me before.

CollapsedNut
03-08-2011, 09:51 PM
Thats what I wanna hear. thx
Any input on Beck/Arnley. its metal.

Grot
03-08-2011, 10:09 PM
I still say OEM Toyota. Unless your upping compression, then metal may be a good idea.

joe's gt
03-09-2011, 06:56 AM
OEM. If you plan on running high boost and hp, then decked head and metal head gasket.

T-spoon
03-09-2011, 03:47 PM
Does the metal 5s one work on the 3s without modification? If so that could be an option.. BUT.. I don't know that it would be any cheaper than the lower end aftermarket metal HG. But yeah, the stock carbon composite or whatever it is should be fine for stock/low power applications.

CollapsedNut
03-09-2011, 05:33 PM
Stock is gonna be like $80. Might as well spend the extra $20 and get cometic or go cheap and get the $20 beck/arnley

joe's gt
03-10-2011, 03:34 AM
your forgetting about the machining cost necessary to deck the head for the mhg. The stock composite can compensate for imperfections much better than a mhg. Block and head surfaces must be perfectly flat for a proper seal. The block usually is fine, but the head may need to be decked due to it being aluminum.

CollapsedNut
03-10-2011, 03:44 AM
Not forgetting. Block has been decked, head will be decked as well as part of the rebuild. Also its MLS, multi layer steel, get it right! They use this to make it seal better on a non-perfect finish. Anywho, I think Ill go lay hands on the beck/arnley and see how it feels, and go from there

Facime
03-10-2011, 04:01 AM
"decked" isnt enough information. the gasket itself will have a required RA rating that will need to be achieved if you want it to seal. Cometic is a little more forgiving than some of the other MLSHG's. If it were me I would do a stock toyota for a stock setup up to about 15lbs of boost, and MLS for anything more.

Beck/Arnly would be my LAST choice.


Edit: Cometic recommends RA of 50, Fel-Pro recommends 15-30 for their MLS gaskets.

CollapsedNut
03-10-2011, 04:04 AM
Damnit. Damnit. I dont wanna spend $80 for a gasket! Does the toyota feel nice, am I gonna feel like I got $80 worth of gasket?

Facime
03-10-2011, 04:12 AM
what it FEELS like is irrelevant, its what it SEALS like that matters.

RA50/cometic/ARP
OR
Toyota composite with no extraoridinary measures to make it seal.

(I would still do ARP harware even with a stock gasket, but thats just me. Pretty sure the toyota hardware TTY and not reusable)

CollapsedNut
03-10-2011, 04:26 AM
Fine, Il go toyota. ABout the hardware. I would love to swap to studs cause I had to drill one of the stupid allen headed bolts out when it rounded on removal.
Thats just another $100 Ill have to squeeze in I guess.

4thgenceli
03-10-2011, 03:26 PM
Correct, the Toyota hardware is not reusable. I've done it before for a patch job though cuz I forgot to buy the new ones and it worked for a while. Just had to keep tightening them until I replaced them.

rizin
03-11-2011, 03:54 AM
I have a head gasket from my toyota seal kit that I am not going to use since I went with a cometic on my build. You will have a PM.

CollapsedNut
03-11-2011, 04:35 AM
Anyone know if the 3sgte head gasket from a 5th gen will be the same as a 3sge in a 4th gen? I figure same block... same gasket.
Speek soon or Ima send moneys.

Grot
03-11-2011, 04:37 AM
Check part numbers on 1sttoyota

CollapsedNut
03-11-2011, 04:44 AM
Im sure itll be a differant number, doesnt mean its not the same tho. Cometic only offers one gasket to work on the GE and GTE, so I figure itll work.

Grot
03-11-2011, 04:59 AM
If cometic says it will fit both applications, go for it.

I do say check the 2 gaskets next to each other (new and old) to make sure all holes line up to be safe

CollapsedNut
03-11-2011, 05:07 AM
Only thing I can think of would be crush thickness, maybe the GTE is a little thicker for lower compression... that would suck, but I would never know lol