View Full Version : 87 Ford F250 460 Mini-Resto

02-21-2011, 03:14 AM
In lieu of an "Other Cars" section I thought maybe a few people would like to see what Ive been up to since I sold the ST165.

I picked this truck up because I needed something immediately and it was dirt cheap ($500), I needed a tow rig and it had extremely low miles for its age. The clock shows 62K. The carfax neither confirms nor denies but it scores a 63 on the autocheck score. As the 3rd owner I was told by the 2nd owner that the original owner swore its odo is original and not rolled. Further evidence is a receipt in the glovebox for the upper radiator hose that was replaced at 40K miles in 1998, and the hose still has the "carquest" sticker on it in perfect shape.

This is the day I got it:

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First thing to go was the stupid camper shell. Its a bit more respectable this way.
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The paint was oxidized pretty badly all over, and its been acid etched pretty badly:

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There was alot of moss and other good old "Oregon Green" growiing all over it:

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The first half of 87 is the last of the carburated 460's.
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FI would get a little better mileage, but it wouldnt be as fun to clean up and modify a little. Here I went ahead and stripped most of the extraneous smog equip.:

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The interior in this truck is damn near flawless and as close to an original after 24 years as Ive ever seen. It even has the AM only radio. The only thing non-factory is a dealer installed add on cruise control on the signal stalk.
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The paint was savable for the most part, here is a test section done:
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and a full body shot after the first once over. I plan to work on it a bit more once the weather warms up this spring:
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02-21-2011, 03:16 AM
Well the problen turns out that due to it sitting for long period and then being cold started alot it had an oil pressure problem and a rear main seal leak. These old big blocks are notorius for low pressure at operating temp and this one was no exception. It drives, however, like a new truck and has near perfect compression so I decided I would go ahead and pull the motor and give it a decent refresh, fix a few leaks, replace the bearings, fix some broken exhaust studs, finish the de-smog, clean and paint and put it all back together.

So, she needed to come out...

Prepped to pick:

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Just cleared the core support, Its a little nerve racking having over 700lbs that high in the air all by yourself.

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but out she came nevertheless:

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Got the bottom end apart and there was very little surprises except for the nice nick in one of the rod journals that obviously happened at the factory during assembly.This motor has never been opened until now. It cause the #1 rod bearing to become scored.

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Main bearings are definately worn, but crank looks great and mic's out fine. Im just going to hand polish the journals and go .001 undersize bearings.

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I prepped the block for a fresh coat of paint using professional strength oven cleaner overnight, followed by a mineral spirit rinse and wire brushing.

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and a fresh couple of coats of Ford Gray later:

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My "boss" watching over me making sure I do a good job:
(shee seems to have that "shouldnt you be working?" look in her eyes)

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And thats pretty much where Im at right now. I have some parts arriving tomorrow so I should be able to have the bottom end back together by the end of the day. But then the detail work starts. I still have lots of nuts and bolts to clean up, some threads to chase and more painting of little bits here and there. The goal is to have the motor back in the bay by next weekend.

02-21-2011, 03:16 AM
OK so I assembled all the parts and supplies I needed to start re-assembly, but first I wanted to polish the crank journals. They were really in pretty good shape to begin with I just wanted that little bit extra piece of mind to know that they wouldnt take out the bearings so fast. People tend to be afraid of this kind of thing thinking they will damage the crank so easily. Dont forget its steel and not made of butter, it takes alot to actually scratch one.

So this is how I polish a crank by hand

1. Clean Journal (brake cleaner works good, nice to have compressed air around too)

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2. Add a couple drops of clean motor oil.

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3. Wrap with a strip of crocus cloth

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4. wrap some nylon webbing around the crocus cloth, You want it evenly snug. Then just alternately pull the two ends of the webbing, making the crocus cloth rotate around the journal polishing it 360. I do vary which direction I hold the ends of the webbing to distribute the pressure around a little as well. The trick is tight enough to grab the cloth, but no so tight it binds.

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5. Check progress occasionally and add more oil.

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6. I stopped at this point. Some "key" on the surface is ok. When you are done it should have a nice shine though, Doing this will ensure no bearing material is left embedded in the surface of the journal.

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So, once I did all 13 journals and cleaned the crank once again I prepped the block for its return. I was only doing the bottom end on this so I left the heads on and pistons in the bores. This makes getting the crank back in a little tricky but I have a few tricks for getting it done without dinking anything.

Block prepped with new bearings:

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I find at this point to ensure a good rebuild that its useful to sacrifice a virgin and spread the blood of the innocent all over the new bearings:

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(I couldnt find any virgins in Burnt Woods so I used Cleavite Prelube instead)

I then got the crank in and started bolting everything down when I discovered that two of the bearings sent to me were mislabeled. I ordered .001 under and got two that were .010 under.

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...aaaaaand this is where I stopped for the night.

02-21-2011, 03:21 AM
Kudos. The Ford F series trucks are bad ass.

02-21-2011, 04:10 AM
Good God. You made that paint look AMAZING. You have to come to TN and save my trucks paint.

02-22-2011, 04:51 AM
Replacement bearings arrive tomorrow.

02-22-2011, 09:38 PM
Apparently putting a heavy freakin crank back in a big block Ford is too much for my back. Im out of commission for day mostly likely.

02-26-2011, 06:05 AM
well, I didnt quite manage to get the motor back in the truck today. I instead spent some time finishing up all the details that I had left to the last.

I got the last two bearing sets in and the rod caps torqued, then installed the oil pump and screen:

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This included finishing out the exhaust manifolds with pipe plugs in the air injection ports:

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Im keeping the EGR for now but it wont be hooked up. I also have a port available for another oil pressure gauge so I can keep a good eye on that for the future:

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Motor is at TDC #1 and Ive highlighted the timing marks for 10 and 20. should making timing it easy to read.

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and here she is in all her glory! ready to go back in at this point.

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I dont know about you guys but I always get a little unnerved byt having that much weight out one the end of my engine stand. When Im working on and as an aid for rotating it, I use my hoist to hold up the nose of the motor:

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Tomorrow I have a buddy coming out to lend a hand and together should be able to wrangle this heavy bitch back where it belongs!

Wish me luck!

02-26-2011, 03:17 PM
I like your shop. Plenty of room to move, mine is tiny and MudHoney leaves me a narrow path on each side to walk around.

02-26-2011, 07:59 PM
Thats about 1/3 of it. There is a loft over the top of the first and third bays and the middle bay is vaulted... the plan was a lift there, but that hasnt happened yet.

here is a stitched together wide shot:
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02-26-2011, 11:45 PM
I love the book area and desk on the far right. Thats exactly what I need!

02-27-2011, 01:17 AM
Thats actually the chemicals/paints shelf. There is a Corvette 350 SB under that black bag on the motor stand too! That project is long since gone.

02-27-2011, 04:54 AM
Woke up hung over this morning and thought I wasnt going to work on "Nuttin", but after some coffee and a blueberry muffin I decided to try to at least get the motor back on its mounts.

I had a few loose ends to tie up and cleaned up the shop a little, including sweeping the floor so the hoist would be easier to move around. This ended up being a bit of a struggle with that much weight out over the front wheels.

Motor off the stand for the first time in a a little over a week.

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My buddy never showed up so I managed to wrangle the motor and hoist into position on my own...

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Then started her back down into her "cradle of love" (coincidentally that Billy Idol song came on the radio at this point and I thought it was appropriate)

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The stars aligned and a chorus of virgins sang on high as pudgy faced cherubs trumpeted when she popped right into place like she had been there before. I was also thankful I put her on the load leveler for the trip back in though for sure.

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And that was about it. I did all the underneath work first and got it out of the way. Motor mounts, bellhousing bolts, torque converter, starter and exhaust. I even managed some time up top and its starting to look like a motor in a truck again.

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I will leave the details and first restart for tomorrow. I never like to rush that moment and I want to go over a checklist I made to make sure Ive got all my ducks in a row before I turn the key. I plan to get a "first start" video for posterity as well.

See ya tomorrow!

02-27-2011, 06:08 AM
Looks like fun. GL on the start

02-27-2011, 06:17 AM
Thanks. Im very methodical (slow) so Im fairly certain that it will start first try, but there is always a little nervousness right before I turn the key.

02-27-2011, 06:41 AM
Im an oil pressure nut. I wanna make sure everything is lubed before startup, reason Im buying a oil accumulator for my 4th gen project.

02-27-2011, 06:57 AM
Yeah I have a rod that goes down the Dizzy hole and drives the oil pump. Once everything is ready I just spin that up with a drill to prime the system.

The problem with this motor was that there was a design flaw in the oil pickup. The screen in the pickup is too close to the actual tube so instead of giving a huge surface area to draw oil in, the tube can actually be blocked with just a little debris. I modified it a little and cleaned it out so I think that should take care of it. Oil starvation was what led to bearing wear, which created low pressure, and it all spiraled downhill from there I suppose.

02-27-2011, 03:17 PM
Been so long since I worked on a domestic, I forgot about dizzy driven oil pumps haha

02-27-2011, 06:34 PM
Nice work! One thing that would make the truck a little better tho is 4X4. My last truck was a '78 F250 Custom 4x4 "Hi-Boy" 400M and 4 in the floor. that thing would haul!!

02-27-2011, 06:50 PM
My muddin days are long over. 4x4 wouldnt get much of a workout for me. Just the occasional snow day.

02-27-2011, 07:11 PM
Know whut.... I never actually went muddin in any of my trucks. Just "farm" work..... lolz

02-27-2011, 07:12 PM
Still gotta love those Ford BB tho....

02-28-2011, 05:43 AM


03-06-2011, 09:36 PM

03-07-2011, 03:11 AM
Kewl.... But yah the dizzy does need the bug under it..... *whistle walking away*.......

03-07-2011, 03:31 AM
Mobil 1 FTW.

Great restore thread.

03-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Sold! For full asking price, one day after posting the ad. Looks like I priced it too cheap.

03-10-2011, 03:38 PM
If this was me, here's how that would of played out:

:crank crank crank crank crank:

WTF is going on? Goddamn piece of shit domestic!

Hey, whats this lil thing doing here? Where does it go? :google image search:


Take 2: Vrroom!

Good job! Awesome video.