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temperacerguy
01-09-2011, 11:44 AM
Has anyone here used a VIS or Seibon Carbon fiber hood for the ST185?

I am considering purchasing the CS/RC version for my project, but want to get people's feedback on the quality of them.

Thanks,

Grot
01-09-2011, 03:33 PM
I know there are a couple people with CF hoods on here.

One company makes a good one and the other one people dont like so much.

Im not sure which one is which though.

Nitro_Alltrac
01-09-2011, 04:10 PM
The Seibon hood is supposed to be off in the shape and location of the vents. Grot's right, several folks on here have CF hoods. I know Metdeath either has one or used to. Hopefully Marshall and some of the others will chime in soon.

Murgatroy
01-09-2011, 04:39 PM
Marshall bought one from Mr. Babb and traded it to KM, the lines were off and it didn't line up. It was an Alltrac hood. Cannon bought one from Mr. Babb as well, it was the flat one. It was fine. Mario bought one from Mr. Babb (which was his final one) and it was the CS/RC hood, with fire damage. As far as I know, Mario liked his.

Mr. Babb
01-09-2011, 04:58 PM
The VIS oem and CS style hoods do fit nice. Not so sure on the alltrac hood (the one marshall got from me) as I never personally had it on my car. I have heard bad things about the seibon stuff for the celica.

KM
01-09-2011, 05:12 PM
Marshall bought one from Mr. Babb and traded it to KM, the lines were off and it didn't line up. It was an Alltrac hood. Cannon bought one from Mr. Babb as well, it was the flat one. It was fine. Mario bought one from Mr. Babb (which was his final one) and it was the CS/RC hood, with fire damage. As far as I know, Mario liked his.

Marshall had a gap when it was on his car, but it wasn't nearly as bad when it was on mine.
A CF hood needs a lot of attention. You can forget to wash and wax your car and it be okay, but if you don't take care of a CF hood, it'll start cracking.

temperacerguy
01-10-2011, 12:19 AM
OK, so what I am getting is that the VIS is better than the seibon....

I am not too worried about the care for the Carbon Fiber. I have a full carbon fiber hood and trunk on my Evo (100% carbon inside and out) and the first thing I did with them is strip them down, and paint them with a highly expensive UV clearcoat.

As for the Celica, my AT is Black, I will be painting the hood with a UV clear mixed with a heavy candy black. That way the Hood looks black at any angle unless looking straight on at it.

So... From what people are saying, Mr. Babb sells them? If this is correct Mr. Babb, could you please send me a quote shipped to 32927.

Thanks guys!

UndaGrwnD
01-10-2011, 12:20 AM
i got the SEIBON hood...fits good no probs with it.

temperacerguy
01-10-2011, 12:33 AM
i got the SEIBON hood...fits good no probs with it.

OK, as different hoods use different molds, which Seibon hood did you get? normal "flat" style, GT4/AT style with hood scoop, or CS/RC version with drop vent?

Thanks.

KM
01-10-2011, 12:46 AM
Babb doesn't sell them. He just randomly had one of each style.

Mr. Babb
01-10-2011, 01:14 AM
Babb doesn't sell them. He just randomly had one of each style.
^ what he said. I originally had the oem one, then got the RC hood. Had car fire. Ordered another RC hood but was shipped an alltrac hood. Alltrac hood was damaged so they sent me another RC hood and left me the alltrac hood.

temperacerguy
01-10-2011, 06:44 AM
Well Damn then... So where's the best to get a VIS CS style hood?

Also, where's a good source for Samco hoses?

Mr. Babb
01-10-2011, 03:48 PM
I bought mine on ebay.

Smaay
01-10-2011, 05:14 PM
about 5 years ago i had my own carbon fiber RC/CS hoods made. I got about 10 of them out there but then the company making them totally screwed me over. they were a perfect CS hood, i sacrificed my CS hood to make the mold. i dont know if ill ever get them again :( which sucks cause i dont even have mine anymore.

UndaGrwnD
01-10-2011, 07:03 PM
OK, as different hoods use different molds, which Seibon hood did you get? normal "flat" style, GT4/AT style with hood scoop, or CS/RC version with drop vent?

Thanks.

i got the rc/cs version because i got an RC 3sgte.

Cavanagh
01-10-2011, 08:38 PM
There is no difference in VIS or Seibon hoods, they're just a gamble. Some have OEM fitment and flow nice, others have bad fitment. My Seibon CF OEM hood for my IS didn't line up quite right on one side. P.S.-DO NOT FORGET TO BUY HOODPINS!

UndaGrwnD
01-10-2011, 09:25 PM
i driving almost 4 months without hootpins...it wobbels in the hard wind...but it stays on his place.

soon i want the flush hood pins

Cavanagh
01-11-2011, 01:42 AM
i driving almost 4 months without hootpins...it wobbels in the hard wind...but it stays on his place.

soon i want the flush hood pins
Yes, it's quite scary in my opinion.
Here are the flush ones:
http://www.aerocatch.com/

JDM SNUKUMZ
01-11-2011, 03:13 AM
I seen most of the Seibon stuff to fit better then the VIS

temperacerguy
01-11-2011, 07:00 AM
Just as an example of how quality varies from hood to hood....

I purchased 5 VIS drop vent "border style" hoods for the SW20 MR2... (group purchase, I picked them up from VIS at their wharehouse)

I got them home and tried them all out on my car. 2 fit perfectly, 2 had odd gaps, and one was twisted.

That being said... a little sanding, a little movement, and hood pins, and they all were made to look OEM.

METDeath
01-14-2011, 04:11 AM
The Seibon CS style hood has the vent in the complete wrong ass place, the VIS has it in the correct place and size.

temperacerguy
01-14-2011, 07:39 AM
Wow MET, that's great info to have. THANKS!

Do you have any pics or anything showing Seibon's incorrect placement?

Thanks again,

90blacktrac
01-14-2011, 07:45 AM
The Seibon CS style hood has the vent in the complete wrong ass place, the VIS has it in the correct place and size.

This one single post should be a sticky in the info section of the alltrac threads, I've heard this before and if I remember right it causes a fitment issue with a 185 RC charge cooler.

Nitro_Alltrac
01-15-2011, 03:55 PM
I've heard this same thing quite a few times amongst the All Trac guys. Somebody at AT.net even put pictures up comparing a Toyota RC hood to the Seibon and the differences were quite obvious.

Shadowlife25
01-16-2011, 11:43 PM
Seibon hood is failsauce with aids.

Vis hood has correct dimension and placement.

That is your definitive answer.

THey are both the same price, so this should be a no-brainer.

UndaGrwnD
01-17-2011, 12:09 AM
here is a pic of my SEIBON carbonhood:

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2841/w2asticker.jpg
as you can see...the vent is in the same place as where the TMIC is.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9900/imag0249f.jpg

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3073/imag0251.jpg

darthripley
01-17-2011, 01:24 AM
the hoods are not made of true carbon fiber -- they are FRP (fiberglass reinforced plastic) hoods which then have carbon fiber material (fabric) layed on top. the hood is then hit with a fair quailty clear coat. this is how they are able to keep the prices low (read:affordable for most) as it is not a true wet or dry lay up carbon fiber as found in high end cars & motorsports.
the clear coat will yellow in time, depending on how much sunlight/UV its exposed to & many tend to develop small hairline cracks around the hood latch and any area which may be stressed, especially if you don't use any type of latches/hood pins.

METDeath
01-17-2011, 05:58 AM
VIS hood:
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wm.php/images/90TYCEL2DCS-010C.jpg

Seibon hood:
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wm.php/images/seiboncelicacshood.jpg

See a difference?

UndaGrwnD
01-17-2011, 02:09 PM
yep, i know VIS comes close to OEM.

but i dont mind...i got this for a good price:D

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-17-2011, 03:30 PM
VIS comes with the hood spoiler?

90all-trac
01-17-2011, 05:49 PM
The fitment of the seibon is not the prob, it's the proportion. I have the seibon AT style hood on my all-trac and the scoop is bigger and side vents are bigger and squared off instead of rounded. My hood discolored and started to turn whitish in some spots. I would not encourage anyone to buy a 5th gen Celica Seibon hood EVER! I'm going to purchase a Vis CS/RC hood next.

UndaGrwnD
01-17-2011, 06:09 PM
SEIBON also comes with a spoiler.

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-17-2011, 07:42 PM
How easy is it to paint and seal those hoods?

temperacerguy
01-17-2011, 08:28 PM
Wow, I am going to respond to alot of these:


the hoods are not made of true carbon fiber -- they are FRP (fiberglass reinforced plastic) hoods which then have carbon fiber material (fabric) layed on top. the hood is then hit with a fair quailty clear coat. this is how they are able to keep the prices low (read:affordable for most) as it is not a true wet or dry lay up carbon fiber as found in high end cars & motorsports.
the clear coat will yellow in time, depending on how much sunlight/UV its exposed to & many tend to develop small hairline cracks around the hood latch and any area which may be stressed, especially if you don't use any type of latches/hood pins.

Actually... The way that you make these hoods are that you have a negative mold that you wet lay up carbon fiber into. you then back the carbon fiber up with fiberglass (either matt or cloth). This is because hoods and the like us pseudo racers use, are not structural components, so the use of carbon/kevlar as a backing material is not needed, fiberglass is fine. The yellowing is of the epoxy resin that does not have UV addatives in it, not of a clear coat. The UV resistant resin costs 3-4x what normal resin costs (I have gallons of both and do ALOT of carbon fiber work). a "dry" (a shitty incorrect term for the process of using pre-preg carbon in an autoclave) would not lead to any stronger hood than the wet lay-up process. Also if it were pure carbon fiber autoclaved part, it would not be any stronger, or lighter than a carbon/GFRP composite due to the thickness/construction type. Also, it would be far more brittle.

I don't know of any carbon fiber hood manufacturers who paint their hoods after they pop them from the molds... It's far too labor intensive as you would have to strip all the mold release wax from the hoods, sand it down then paint it.


VIS comes with the hood spoiler?

The Seibon doesn't have the hood spoiler on the trailing edge.
The Seibon's hood vent is farther back than factory/VIS
The Seibon's hood vent is smaller in dimention than factory/VIS.
The Seibon doesn't have the molded "hump" prior to the vent

It appears as if Seibon used a factory hood, and grafted on a hood vent, rather than pull their mold from a factory CS hood.


SEIBON also comes with a spoiler.

Um, no, it doesn't... the hood spoiler is at the trailing edge of the hood, as you can see in this photo, the spoiler is not on the seibon hood

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3073/imag0251.jpg



How easy is it to paint and seal those hoods?

Not sure what you mean by "seal" the hood, but it's very easy to paint. If you are just clearing it, just sand it down with an 800 grit paper and alchohol (to remove the mold release wax), then primer and paint like you would any fiberglass or gel coated part. I will be painting/prepping mine by sanding it down, then using a clear plastic primer and painting it with a UV protective clear coat tinted with a black candy tint to make it look black at angles, with the carbon weave visable when looking at it straight on.

I clear-coat with UV protective clear anything I have that's carbon fiber on the exterior of the vehicle. It's expensive, but it's worth it. I do it on the parts I make (with UV protective resin) so that I can treat the carbon fiber like any other painted surface . I do it on carbon I buy from others to protect the resin from yellowing.

UndaGrwnD
01-17-2011, 09:58 PM
im telling you there is....its only not installed on mine...because i didnt like it...its to high.

i have the spoiler laying somewhere in my room.

temperacerguy
01-17-2011, 10:29 PM
im telling you there is....its only not installed on mine...because i didnt like it...its to high.

i have the spoiler laying somewhere in my room.

OK I'm not doubting you, however no picture of the Seibon Hoods show it... Here's Vivid Racing's pictures of the Seibon:

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wm.php/images/seiboncelicacshood4.jpg
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wm.php/images/seiboncelicacshood3.jpg

Here's a pic from auctiva:
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/6/8/5/9/8/2/webimg/222780895_tp.jpg

Nor does it show anywhere on Seibon's site pictures....
Seibon's Link for Celica CS type hood (http://www.seiboncarbon.com/products/carbon-fiber/hoods/HD9093TYCEL-CS/)

So, while you say it comes with it... I see NO pictures or proof anywhere showing that it comes with it.

Also, if you look at the seibon hood, it doesn't include the front "faux carbon trim", and the VIS does include this in Carbon...

Grot
01-17-2011, 10:39 PM
Also, if you look at the seibon's hood, it doesn't include the front "faux carbon trim", and the VIS does include this in Carbon...

Another reason people dont like the VIS

temperacerguy
01-17-2011, 10:44 PM
OK, here are pictures from someone who actually purchased the VIS hood:

As you can tell , the VIS has the hood actually "buldging" before the vent, while the Seibon is flat till it meets the vent. This is why there are all the interferance issues with the ST205 intercoolers and Seibon Hoods.

Note, this is the VIS HOOD...

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj228/cmonteiro1/CF%20Hood/DSCF0944.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj228/cmonteiro1/CF%20Hood/DSCF0941.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj228/cmonteiro1/CF%20Hood/DSCF0940.jpg


Hands down it looks like the VIS is the far better product with an OEM-like design.

I have searched all the E-bay sellers, and this seems to be the best price with $583 being the cost SHIPPED.
E-bay VIS CS hood (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-CELICA-90-93-2DR-CS-VIS-CARBON-FIBER-HOOD-W-PINS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4cf3f8c10dQQitemZ33051 0680333QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries)

I contacted him and asked for pictures, and he did show me the correct hood. However I would be vary careful checking MANY times to ensure you are getting the right hood as it seems others have ordered hoods through E-bay sellers and have gotten the wrong design even though they have checked with the seller to ensure they are getting the right item.. so double/tripple check.

temperacerguy
01-17-2011, 11:25 PM
Another reason people dont like the VIS

Well, not I. I am going to wrap my factory headlight trim and the trim that goes between the hood and bumper. Carbon fiber wrapping is easy to do and "cheap" if you have the skills.

Grot
01-17-2011, 11:40 PM
ALot of people want the "Toyota" or "Celica" script on it though

UndaGrwnD
01-17-2011, 11:51 PM
i got the TOYOTA strip installed on it...way nicer...looks one with the headlight CF.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7830/imag0255b.jpg

btw, you can see that the left headlight cover is lower...its now adjusted to line up nice with the hood.

temperacerguy
01-17-2011, 11:53 PM
ALot of people want the "Toyota" or "Celica" script on it though

I can understand that. If that was my goal, I would just paint the script using a vinyl template prior to clearing it.

Or, on the cheap, just use a vinyl "Toyota" or "Celica" graphic.

Car_Barn_Bandit
01-18-2011, 01:27 AM
Looks pretty good with the trim piece.

presure2
01-22-2011, 01:41 PM
i just installed a sibion carbon fiber "CS" style hood on a 185 for my buddy jim, with the aerocatch hood latches.
fitment is "ok"..as it is with all of this aftermarket crap.
even the ones that supossedly have "perfect fitment", fit like shit in most cases IMO. lol

anyway, once installed, it seemed like this particular one was kinda "warped", it sat flush at the rear of the hood, but was raised about 1-1.5" right behind the headlights, which is one of the main reasons jim wanted to install the hood latches.
since neither of us like the regular "hood pins", we decided on the aerocatch latches. they look fucking awesome, and work brilliantly.

lots of pics.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2411.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2413.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2414.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2415.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2416.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2417.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2419.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2421.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2422.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2424.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2425.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2428.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2429.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2430.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2431.jpg

presure2
01-22-2011, 01:41 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2435.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2433.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2432.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2436.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/areocatch%20hood%20latch%20install/IMG_2437.jpg

presure2
01-22-2011, 01:42 PM
hood latches installed. in this pic, the hood is not closed, obviously.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2455.jpg

hood closed:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2456.jpg

the gap thats left, and the reason jim wanted to install hoodpins to begin with:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2457.jpg

hoodlatches closed:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2463.jpg

heatsheid and fuse box installed:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2462.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2452.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2460.jpg

and a few pics of it outside:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2467.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2466.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/presure2/jims%20alltrac%20swap/IMG_2468.jpg

l0ch0w
12-04-2011, 12:07 AM
Im sorry but the hood bulge on the seibon just looks odd... I much prefer the geometry of the OEM design of it on the VIS hood.

Plus if you are going with the RC/CS hood, there is no toyota symbol in the faux carbon fiber strip on the OEM hood. There is only a silver oval toyota symbol in the paint centered just above the CF

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/06/Toyota-Celica-GT4-CS-LE-and-rally-car.jpg