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baktasht
10-24-2010, 08:53 AM
We are working on a few new 3sgte exhaust manifolds for some custom builds currently. While we're at it we may make a couple of "production" designs to sell to the public as a regularly offered EMSPowered item. What types and layouts of exhaust manifolds would you guys be interested in? Is low cost more important for you or the best design/performance? What sort of budget would you want to stay within for a nice custom manifold that is designed and built properly?

Just trying to gauge interest within the Celica community on this.

temperacerguy
10-24-2010, 04:30 PM
Personally, I would like a cast manifold with a T25 flange.

Carolina91GT-S
10-24-2010, 05:19 PM
Some of the aftermarket exhaust manifolds that I have seen do not fit under the CS Hood. I have seen people have to cut a big hole in the hood in front of the vent. I would like to see some options here as long as they fit under the CS Hood.

Cost wise...probably on the low end...maybe $250 max. more than that and I would rather spend the money on something else for the car. That is just me though

Sang
10-25-2010, 01:40 PM
Jesus, $250 max? Good materials alone would that or more. DIY territory might meet that kind of budget if you do the measuring, cutting, and welding yourself. I would say $500-700 would be about average in pricing depending on design, materials and dealing with any transversely swapped 3S community (read: content with adapters, read: cheap)

ChrisD
10-25-2010, 04:58 PM
I think this would be awesome. The more people building these the better.

There are a few things I would look for:

-Adequate fit under a Celica hood
-T3 flange might be most appropriate (although some may look for the CT26/20b flange since there are many more of those out there, and we *could* still use an adapter I guess)
-Put some math behind it, calculate the proper runner diameters and lengths. Also, dyno test for performance gains!
-Possibly, build manifolds optimized for specific target HP ranges...eg 250-300whp, 300-450whp, 450whp+ and base it off certain turbo's from your line-up...

For cost, well these can be expensive, but if you could approach $500 that would probably put you at a good market advantage and also make them affordable enough for most people.

pintoBC_3sgte
10-26-2010, 12:50 AM
I'd spend 500 on a quality built one. It was a costly trip to the shop to get mine All rewelded and planed flat due to cheap stainless manifolds.

Carolina91GT-S
10-26-2010, 02:59 AM
Jesus, $250 max? Good materials alone would that or more. DIY territory might meet that kind of budget if you do the measuring, cutting, and welding yourself. I would say $500-700 would be about average in pricing depending on design, materials and dealing with any transversely swapped 3S community (read: content with adapters, read: cheap)

You asked....well you didn't but the question was asked

...and it is why I still have the stock 3SGTE exhaust manifold. I , personally just don't see the benefit of the $ invested when there are so many other things on the car that need funds. I am not an all out kind of guy regarding the 3SGTE though....some mods are worth it to me and some are not. But I am just one guy, so it is really just my own $.02

This part is only partially serious but what kind of good materials are you using if you can't find 10 feet of pipe and 2 plates for $250 or more, I can almost buy titanium for that much when it comes to raw materials.

~Chris

baktasht
10-26-2010, 04:52 AM
Personally, I would like a cast manifold with a T25 flange.
That won't happen from us. T25 is just too small to make any good power, you may as well stick with the stock turbos.


Some of the aftermarket exhaust manifolds that I have seen do not fit under the CS Hood. I have seen people have to cut a big hole in the hood in front of the vent. I would like to see some options here as long as they fit under the CS Hood.

Cost wise...probably on the low end...maybe $250 max. more than that and I would rather spend the money on something else for the car. That is just me though
We may be able to get a simple GOOD manifold to you guys for under $500. But as Sang mentioned $250 will barely cover cost of proper materials.


I think this would be awesome. The more people building these the better.

There are a few things I would look for:

-Adequate fit under a Celica hood
-T3 flange might be most appropriate (although some may look for the CT26/20b flange since there are many more of those out there, and we *could* still use an adapter I guess)
-Put some math behind it, calculate the proper runner diameters and lengths. Also, dyno test for performance gains!
-Possibly, build manifolds optimized for specific target HP ranges...eg 250-300whp, 300-450whp, 450whp+ and base it off certain turbo's from your line-up...

For cost, well these can be expensive, but if you could approach $500 that would probably put you at a good market advantage and also make them affordable enough for most people.
We will be working on 2-3 differnet types of manifolds for various budgets and power levels. As far as the flanges, the manifolds will be built to order so we could put any flange on them that the customer wants. If there is enough interest for a CT26/20b flanged manifold that puts the turbo in the stock location we could do that as well.


You asked....well you didn't but the question was asked

...and it is why I still have the stock 3SGTE exhaust manifold. I , personally just don't see the benefit of the $ invested when there are so many other things on the car that need funds. I am not an all out kind of guy regarding the 3SGTE though....some mods are worth it to me and some are not. But I am just one guy, so it is really just my own $.02

This part is only partially serious but what kind of good materials are you using if you can't find 10 feet of pipe and 2 plates for $250 or more, I can almost buy titanium for that much when it comes to raw materials.

~Chris
US made 1/2" thick flanges, US made 321SS schedule 40 weld L's, backpurged welds, 308L .035 filler rod, Argon for the welding and purge. You should do the math. There's a lot of money in just materials alone. We don't get this sort of stuff done in china with junk metal like other vendors. As far as why you should upgrade, for each person it's different. Some people build non-turbo "showcars", some people build fast cars, some people just daily drive them and change the oil. The decision of what to modify is different for every person.

temperacerguy
10-26-2010, 05:56 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CELICA-MR2-MR-2-3SGTE-3S-GTE-T3-T4-Cast-Turbo-Manifold-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem588a632613QQitemZ38027 8875667QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

$200 shipped cast T3 flanged manifold with nice smooth transitions. This is your competition, so why spend 2.5x more?

baktasht
10-26-2010, 06:04 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CELICA-MR2-MR-2-3SGTE-3S-GTE-T3-T4-Cast-Turbo-Manifold-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem588a632613QQitemZ38027 8875667QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

$200 shipped cast T3 flanged manifold with nice smooth transitions. This is your competition, so why spend 2.5x more?
If that cheap chinese garbage was my competition I'd be out of business. There's a reason nobody buys those. Theyr'e terrible castings, pinholes everywhere. The wastegate port is unusable. And the list goes on. If you're looking at something like that I'd recommend you keep your stock manifold, it will perform the same and cause you much less headache. Even if you do go with a manifold like that you will not see any sort of performance gains.

To give you an example, here is one of the manifolds we have made for a few years. That chinese junk isn't even in the same league or anywhere close to what we consider quality work:
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen2_3sgte_manifold_4.JPG
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen2_3sgte_manifold_final_design_1.jpg
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/fullkit/CIMG8016.JPG
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/fullkit/CIMG8036.JPG
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/fullkit/CIMG7978.JPG

ChrisD
10-26-2010, 05:10 PM
^^LOL, no kidding.

Very nice work! If you guys look at "the competition", check out companies like full-race. $1200 for their ram-horn design.

So do you have confirmed fitment on a Celica?

vip09
10-26-2010, 05:46 PM
I would like a top mount, T3 flange!

I think $700 would be a good deal.

ATS Tubular manifold is $429, similar to stock design. The KO Racing ram horn style is $1000. And the Full-Race ram horn manifold is $1275, with robotic TIG welds....

baktasht
10-27-2010, 01:38 AM
ChrisD, our current manifold (the one pictured) does fit with both the celica and MR2. Any future manifolds we make will be made to fit with both the MR2 & celica as well.

vip09. T3 flange will be what we go with as the default option, so that's no problem at all. The ATS manifold in my opinion is a bare minimum. But it is not a great design. It's a nice cheap upgrade from the stock manifold. It's not anywhere near equal length, I highly doubt they're using schedule 40 piping (they're probably using thin schedule 10), and it puts the turbo back in the stock locaiton which is a big part of the problem with the stock manifold. The 2 new manifolds we're looking at making will put the turbo in a more ideal location so that you can use a larger variety of turbos, have better downpipe routing, and be able to make a manifold with equal length runners for the best performance possible.

ChrisD
10-27-2010, 07:04 PM
Very cool! Will stay tuned to what you guys develop!

One other thing that I would look for. For us Celica people, we commonly clock our turbo's downward. Often I see the WG screamer pipes routed right in the way of where our IC piping needs to go (in the space between the DP, radiator, and engine mount). If that could be put into consideration, that would be helpful...otherwise I do worry that I would have to re-fab that piece.

baktasht
10-27-2010, 07:12 PM
Very cool! Will stay tuned to what you guys develop!

One other thing that I would look for. For us Celica people, we commonly clock our turbo's downward. Often I see the WG screamer pipes routed right in the way of where our IC piping needs to go (in the space between the DP, radiator, and engine mount). If that could be put into consideration, that would be helpful...otherwise I do worry that I would have to re-fab that piece.
Our current bolt-on turbo kit (bolts to the stock manifold), and our full premium kit (the one pictured above with the manifold) both alow plenty of room to clock the turbo in any direction. We'll make sure the new manifolds we're working on do as well.

Pics of our current bolt-on kit:

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/bolton/customerinstalls/s256_installed_3.jpg
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/bolton/final/redwg4.JPG
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/bolton/final/redwg6.JPG

KoreanJoey
10-28-2010, 05:43 AM
God those ram horn manifolds are sexy...

:porno:

Mafix
10-30-2010, 06:34 PM
love me some borg warner turbos!
the ram horn looks great and even if it was 1000 i'd buy one but...
for advise to you bak, i'd be sure and have the ability to make the flanges different with ease, and in true twin scroll and open flanges. the same for the wastegates (38mm, mvs, 50mm). hopefully that would make life easier to suit to a customers needs. and it would make it easier to sell more of those beauties. and for the odd person like myself, absolute true twin scroll (twin wastegates) for the retarded huge turbos.

Mafix
10-30-2010, 06:37 PM
and uh, how much for the t3 twin scroll?

baktasht
10-30-2010, 06:49 PM
love me some borg warner turbos!
the ram horn looks great and even if it was 1000 i'd buy one but...
for advise to you bak, i'd be sure and have the ability to make the flanges different with ease, and in true twin scroll and open flanges. the same for the wastegates (38mm, mvs, 50mm). hopefully that would make life easier to suit to a customers needs. and it would make it easier to sell more of those beauties. and for the odd person like myself, absolute true twin scroll (twin wastegates) for the retarded huge turbos.
We can do any of those on that ramhorn manifold. It was laid out on the jig to where we could do various flanges for the turbo & WG, and we can set it up with single or twin WG's, and we can do it with a single entry or twin entry T3 or T4 flange.


and uh, how much for the t3 twin scroll?
The Gen2 3SGTE EMSPowered ramhorn style manifold pictured above sells for $950 and we can set it up with whichever flanges you need. The new Gen3 manifolds we're working on right now haven't had a price set yet. PM me if you're interested in a manifold and we can discuss options and pricing.

Mafix
11-01-2010, 07:18 PM
hmmmm. sounds like music to my ears. now to get you some size restrictions. the s258 with the koyo rad = no room. lol.

v8killer
11-03-2010, 08:43 AM
i would def go for a 2 longish runner/2 short runner setup. why lose spool for an extra 5 hp with the "equal length"? and of course t3 flanged and clearance for larger turbo on a gen3 =)

baktasht
11-04-2010, 05:08 PM
hmmmm. sounds like music to my ears. now to get you some size restrictions. the s258 with the koyo rad = no room. lol.

We can fit it... And to be honest, our billet S259 is a much better option than the S258 if you're wanting to stay in the S200 family. It will spool quicker and make more power. If you're serious about a new turbo setup drop me a PM and we can go over the different turbo options and see what best fits your budget and your desired power goals. We deal with Garrett, Precision, Borg Warner, and can make you a custom kit for anywhere from 300whp to 1000whp.


i would def go for a 2 longish runner/2 short runner setup. why lose spool for an extra 5 hp with the "equal length"? and of course t3 flanged and clearance for larger turbo on a gen3 =)
Actually, properly designed equal length runners will net more power and better spool.

Mafix
11-04-2010, 07:43 PM
yes the 259 is better, it is also the replacement for my 3 year old turbo. but my pockets are not that deep lol. thanks for the suggestion though.

vip09, i looked at that koracing manifold. needless to say i'm not impressed at all. 304 stainless = won't last. appears to be mig welded not tig welded = won't last long. and the price is outrageous for what you are getting. oh and add 600 bucks to get the welds cleaned up and the manifold polished. personally it sounds like they don't want to make any of them.

Mafix
01-13-2011, 10:10 PM
just so you know, i've researched your design, talked with my sponsors as well. this is the bees knees. tax returns and the wifes permission and i'll be right on this.
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen2_3sgte_manifold_final_design_1.jpg

Magnum
01-14-2011, 07:48 AM
That is a decent looking manifold all though it has a few things that could be optimized. Runners 1,4 are longer than 2,3. The cylinder runners should converge just before the turbo inlet flange. The waste gate if using one should be separated right up to the piston of the waste gate or use two waste gates. sch 40 pipe although used by many builds is to thick and will loose more heat than a 16 gauge 321 stainless tubing. Also you need runners with a minimum length of 15" with an optimum length of between 23"-25" depending on turbo and engine specs. So if you want to build a twin scroll manifold that will optimize the turbo and engine that you spent hard earned money on then you need to spend money on the manifold as well. A 16 gauge 1.75" 23-25" length runner manifold with double slip collector like pictured below. Twin waste gates or a larger single with the 2 feeds separated right to the waste gate piston. And equal length runners. I understand not everyone can afford to pay for a manifold like that. I hope that baktasht doesn't take this as a cut down because what he is offering is decent especially for the price he is charging.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/magnum126/t04mergecollector.jpg
http://www.mpfab.com/gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/DSCF0004_edited_1.jpg

Mafix
01-15-2011, 03:07 PM
there is always a compromise area between what works mathmatically and what works in the real world. the manifold bak has created is simply amazing and will fit under the hood and clear the transmission housing and the radiator. and i find no flaws in his design at all. his manifold is the thing tuners dream of designing. i totally understand what you are saying but some simple header wrap will fix the heat loss issue while also keeping the strength of materail to resist cracking (since this is a ram horn design i'd expect the manifold to move quite a bit).
edit: as long as the pipes are the correct diameter (which they appear to be) the runner length can vary by 25% and be fine. which this also appears to fit. again read above .

ChrisD
01-15-2011, 06:00 PM
I thought Bak mentioned that he was building equal length runners anyway, but they are custom tailored for the customer anyway. In any case I'm sure he'd set you up with whatever specs you wanted. :)

baktasht
01-18-2011, 11:13 PM
We can build anything you guys want to your exact specifications, for your turbo, for your car/mods/etc... Single wastegate, dual wastegate, single entry turbo, dual entry, T3/T4/T6/v-band turbo inlets, equal length & equal radius runners, 2nd gen 3sgte, 3rd/4th gen 3sgte (or any other motor for that matter), full turbo kit, just the manifold, etc...

Some pics of some manifolds we finished recently. All these 3 are exact equal length and equal radius runners tuned runners (same number of degrees of bends).

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen3topmount/wturbo.JPG

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen2topmount/IMG_4681.JPG

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen3topmount/another/IMG_4536.JPG

KoreanJoey
01-22-2011, 06:32 AM
That is a pretty sweet jib you set yourself up with!

Louie C
02-14-2011, 11:57 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CELICA-MR2-MR-2-3SGTE-3S-GTE-T3-T4-Cast-Turbo-Manifold-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem588a632613QQitemZ38027 8875667QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

$200 shipped cast T3 flanged manifold with nice smooth transitions. This is your competition, so why spend 2.5x more?

these manifolds are serious and built right

MrWOT
02-15-2011, 07:07 AM
http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen3topmount/another/IMG_4536.JPG

I know that turbine housing :hehe: +1 for Holset

Nice work on those.

Mafix
02-15-2011, 01:47 PM
these manifolds are serious and built right

hoping you're joking. might i recommend some reading. anything written by corky bell.

ericfragola
02-15-2011, 04:41 PM
any updates?

GT4RC
02-15-2011, 06:41 PM
Mmmm, sexy. I wish I had the dough for something like this. Clutch comes first.
Ahwell, I'm gonna follow this thread for it's pr0n.

baktasht
02-26-2011, 12:38 AM
Some more top mount kits getting finished up

Gen3 top mount with billet Precision 6262, and 44mm WG:

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen3topmount/gen3t344wg1.jpg

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen3topmount/gen3t344wg2.jpg



Gen2 top mount manifold being finished up for a billet Precision 6262 and 44mm MVR Tial WG:

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen2topmount/gen2t344wg1.jpg

http://emspowered.com/images/products/turbokit/gen2topmount/gen2t344wg2.jpg

baktasht
02-26-2011, 12:38 AM
If you're interested in a setup for your car, just drop us a line and we can get you setup with a custom made manifold to suit your current turbo, or build you an entire turbo kit from A to Z.

Mafix
02-26-2011, 05:13 PM
hey i'm ready to order my friend. drop me a line when you get a chance.

fdfx3
02-27-2011, 02:58 AM
We are working on a few new 3sgte exhaust manifolds for some custom builds currently. While we're at it we may make a couple of "production" designs to sell to the public as a regularly offered EMSPowered item. What types and layouts of exhaust manifolds would you guys be interested in? Is low cost more important for you or the best design/performance? What sort of budget would you want to stay within for a nice custom manifold that is designed and built properly?

Just trying to gauge interest within the Celica community on this.

I would like a manifold that my stock exhaust heat shield fits over, and of course one that dosent crack , and of course the cheaper the better but it has to be good quality, but to be realistic I would say somwhere between 500-700 usd.

baktasht
02-27-2011, 06:16 AM
I know that turbine housing :hehe: +1 for Holset

Nice work on those.

You're close... Borg Warner ;) We can do Holset, Borg Warner, Garrett, EFR's, Precision, Turbonetics, any turbo you want.


hey i'm ready to order my friend. drop me a line when you get a chance.
PM sent.


I would like a manifold that my stock exhaust heat shield fits over, and of course one that dosent crack , and of course the cheaper the better but it has to be good quality, but to be realistic I would say somwhere between 500-700 usd.
We can make a manifold like that for you no problem. PM sent.

vip09
02-27-2011, 07:30 AM
Just ordered a a full kit for my 6262 from Baktash the other day. I got answers to all of my questions very quickly and have been very pleased with the service so far! I don't have any doubts that the end result will exceed my expectations. Can't wait to get it!

Mafix
02-27-2011, 03:49 PM
so much more room in those mr2's. you enjoying it so far vip?

vip09
02-27-2011, 05:57 PM
I'm still on the original 5S-FE! But it's been fun so far. Can't wait to get the new engine and turbo setup in the car.

baktasht
03-04-2011, 02:18 AM
But you guys have the huge advantage of being able to run a better intercooler setup :)

Mafix
03-04-2011, 01:45 PM
oh yes very true.

vip09
04-20-2011, 06:26 AM
Got mine today. Everything looks amazing. So far I am extremely satisfied with the quality and cannot wait to get it on the car! Thanks Baktash (and Marc) :)

If anyone is looking into a top quality manifold or turbo kit, give these guys a call!


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/vip09/MR2/STP64096Small.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/vip09/MR2/STP64093Small.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/vip09/MR2/STP64102Small.jpg

Louie C
04-20-2011, 07:32 PM
looks amazing

ChrisD
04-22-2011, 04:31 AM
So gorgeous. What turbo did you go with?

vip09
04-22-2011, 07:11 AM
Precision DBB Billet 6262 with .82 a/r exhaust

baktasht
04-30-2011, 05:31 AM
looking great vip09.

Mafix
04-30-2011, 04:20 PM
i'm in excited land now

v8killer
04-30-2011, 09:41 PM
lol excited land, so say with no bigger cams than 256's and only a port job on the exhaust/polishing combustion chambers and that turbo on that .82 ar at what rpm would this thing spool up at say 18 psi?

ChrisD
04-30-2011, 09:42 PM
Precision DBB Billet 6262 with .82 a/r exhaust
That's way oversized for 14.7's. I'll trade you for my more appropriately sized turbo. :hehe:

v8killer
04-30-2011, 09:51 PM
lol yeah boy come up on that turbo haha.

Mafix
05-02-2011, 08:48 PM
my manifold is in the mail! that's why i'm excited.

ChrisD
05-03-2011, 01:39 AM
Looking forward to the pics Mafix! Is it going to be assembled for Dragon? Not that I can make it... :(

Mafix
05-03-2011, 03:39 PM
mabye. depends on shipping and such.