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Shadowlife25
03-23-2010, 05:38 PM
The Search Police do not live here


This is starting to become a bigger problem here, AND it's one of my pet peeves. Read on to find out why.

The Search Police, or the folks who will reply to a thread with some variant of "SEARCH, NOOB!!!" are useless at best, and actively undermining the community at worst. WTF? How is that, you ask?

Try searching on common questions on other forums. You don't even have to restrict it to Celicas, Toyotas, or cars, for that matter. Guess what you get in your search results? Hundreds, sometimes thousands of threads, where the question is asked and promptly answered by the search police. But can you actually find the answers any more? No, because the search results have been diluted by the search police to the point that the originally common answers are now obscure!

Furthermore, how do you teach someone better behavior? I can assure you that punishing someone who doesn't know any better is not the ideal method. They need to understand why it's wrong - punishment is reserved for the ones that know better and misbehave anyway.

So, when a thread pops up, the answer is obvious, and you feel the urge to vent "SEARCH, you MORON"... DON'T. First of all, you're actually damaging the community. If you don't care about that, I'll also drop on your sorry ass like a ton of bricks.

Instead, explain to them how to search, suggest search terms that you have already tested, possibly mention the tip of using an asterisk to enable 3 letter terms. This will result in fewer silly questions, and it will prevent the database from being littered with dead end threads. I realize this takes extraordinary levels of patience and tolerance, and not everyone will be up to it. Even those that are willing to help cannot do it all the time - so if you cannot give a reply the time and attention it requires, don't post.

*from SupraMania's GrimJack*

sodap0p
03-23-2010, 06:05 PM
One of my pet peeves too, thanks for posting it, I completely support this idea.

My other pet peeve is people calling other "noobs" or any name for asking questions. If I was a moderator/operator, I'd ban those fools on the spot.

Just the other day someone asked for opinions on a turbo from ebay, he was called a noob amongst other things. Why do people feel the need to insult someone for asking a question? I know I've been interested and have asked questions regarding them, and had it not been for ChrisD's response to my question I wouldnt have stayed in this community as no one else had anything intelligent to add. Although most people here are very cool, I find a few people in the community act like haters and love to post what they hate and arent helpful in anyway. I ignore them entirely and wont acknowledge them with a response.

Shadowlife25
03-23-2010, 06:29 PM
I see your point Soda.

The "noobs" thing though is most often used in a friendly fashion.
It just means "new guy".
Usually there is no offense implied or intended, so it is best to look past that.

RedRkt01
03-23-2010, 06:44 PM
What a thoughtful announcement. Let this be a reminder to everyone that we are a community; Not a club. Communities are inclusive and clubs are exclusive. Since this is but one forum amongst many in a rather small community we should do our best to be as inclusive as possible. That way our numbers grow as opposed to dwindle.

The above paragraph can be disregarded if we are talking about assholes. I HATE assholes.

RIalltrac
03-24-2010, 01:18 PM
I support this 1000%....there is nothing worse than trying to get a question answered only to have some smart ass post back with "search noob". I too dislike the word noob as well, its rather derogatory....regardless of how you might be trying to come off...most dont try to come off that way and mean it the way it sounds. the only thing that I could add to this is... (and maybe it exists but I couldnt find it...I know search right....lol) Is there a sticky somewhere that lays out the finer tips of searching the site? Like are there special functions that can be used within the search feature by using certain symbols? I'm sure that would help people a lot.....2 cents.

Smaay
03-24-2010, 01:48 PM
i just love doing a search under my own name back in 2001 on NC.org i was a total NOOB!!!!!!


my favorite post "Whats a CAI?" or better yet "hitting the rev limiter" a vast amount of my knowledge i have gained fro these boards. Im sure i have been a member of the noob bashing search police, but from now on, ill at least answer their question...then send them into exile MUHAA HAHH AH AHHHAH

CollapsedNut
03-24-2010, 01:54 PM
If you would SEARCHED you woulda found this has all ready been brought up!!


Nah I'm just playing. I like that this has been brought up.

Think about it this way. Someone is looking at buying a celica, probably 5th gen, and has a few questions before they buy. They google celica forum and find us. Pop in, register, and ask their questions. Now its our turn, there are two ways it can go down.
1: We answer and give advise, this person is gratefull and ends up buying the celica and becoming our newest member.
2: We bash him, he thinks all celica people are like that, doesnt buy the car and we dont get a new member.

ChrisD
03-24-2010, 03:41 PM
My opinion, is that by actually answering the question or helping the person, you are also making it easier for people to find the answer in the future if they search for something similar. Plus if the person is new, give them a break. They are new!

Either that, or I'll link to a thread where the topic may have been discussed in depth before...but usually with some context thrown in to help out.

Also a big pet peeve for me.

BTW - like Smaay says, we were all noobs once. I remember when I first joined the GT4 list on whatever that site was before yahoo bought it, I went back and sifted/read through a solid 30,000 posts. I remember thinking..."I don't even know how to change an exhaust...how the heck am I going to do anything crazy like these uber-guru's!" And now, hell, I'll do whatever on a car it doesn't really matter what it is. And that was 11 years ago when I first joined up on that list at the age of 15.

We all learn, just takes time.

ChrisD
03-24-2010, 03:42 PM
BTW thanks for the good words Steve. :) Glad to help.

Hookecho
03-24-2010, 04:18 PM
a lot of people who make their way to c-tech are new to forums in general. not to mention new to the grand world of owning a vehicle. so it's only reasonable to be polite and answer their question.

MCcelica
03-24-2010, 04:18 PM
A bit of personal reflection of my own. I remember back when I first joined up here, I was in a similar spot where ChrisD was... cept I knew what a CAI was. Lol but yeah, so I had a question that Murg actually chimed in with something along the lines of "This has been covered many times before, however the answer to your question is blah blah blah. I invite you to use our search function, as it can probably answer most of your questions so you don't have to wait on a reply from us." Ever since then I've seen my same topic come up several times. I did the exact same thing Murg did. I feel its the perfect example of what Mario's getting at. I've also found the search to be infinitely helpful also.

not12listen
03-24-2010, 05:03 PM
wow!!! this is the most forward thinking and reasonable single item i've ever read ON ANY BOARD!!!

Tecker184
03-24-2010, 05:15 PM
Amen brother

T-spoon
03-24-2010, 05:57 PM
On the other hand (not that I don't agree with this post, I do). People can help themselves by making an effort, not demanding answers, and not posting things like, "HELLO?? ANYONE??" if their question isn't answered in the first minute they post the question. That sort of "noob" behavior is what cultivates the "Search, Noob!" responses. :)

Nitro_Alltrac
03-24-2010, 11:56 PM
+1 on Spoon's comment about reposting 2 minutes after the first post.

This is a great post Mario. I couldn't agree more. While the search function here is better than most boards it's still not perfect. Search functions on pretty much any board is somewhat limited at times and can be quite frustrating to use. With someone new to the community, that could potential drive them off. Murg's method of recommending the search function, tips on how to do it and then answering the question are probably the best tactic I've seen on any board.

One thing to keep in mind folks, we don't want to turn into a HONDA board with everybody being an asshole. There are plenty of those out there already!:)

Shadowlife25
03-25-2010, 12:07 AM
And that is when they should also have looked here:

http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46643

T-spoon
03-25-2010, 01:35 AM
And that is when they should also have looked here:

http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46643

Yeah, I read that. The problem is... anyone that NEEDS to figure out how to deal with the "old school guys" is never in a million years going to read that wall of text. :lolhitting:

Shadowlife25
03-25-2010, 01:43 AM
Meh.

I try, but lets face it, after years of answering the same questions patience wears thin.

That thing also has instructions for searching and finding relevant info before posting.

I am happy to help, but I will not do the work for someone who is too lazy to do it themselves.

Help me, help you. ;)

T-spoon
03-25-2010, 06:18 AM
I don't think it'd be a bad thread to sticky somewhere, honestly.

VikingJZ
03-25-2010, 04:50 PM
I don't mind helping new members. I know first hand how shitty people on forums can be.

When I joined ClubLexus, I made a thread about me wanting an SC. I asked a few questions about what to look for (Common problems other than the basics.)

Boy, what a cold welcome I got. The first four responses were "SEARCH" "This has been covered SO MANY TIMES." "God, search for this!" "And then "SEARCH" with a link to the "rules."

Yeah, they could have simply posted a link to the common problems thread, which wasn't stickied.

My favorite reply from the cock knockers at CL was "Search harder" if someone said they couldn't find it.

Yes, search harder.

They banned an old guy for not being able to find anything, justifying it by saying he wasn't following the proper forum etiquette and rules in the TOS. I got put on a week account suspension for standing up for the dude.

VolvoSpeed is like that too, however Volvo Forums has the nicest guy that is an admin. It doesn't matter what your question is, he answers it without any animosity or disrespect.

not12listen
05-15-2010, 07:12 PM
oh man... i've got a WHOPPER of a story.

i owned a 1982 Toyota Starlet (KP61). god i miss that car, but that's another story...

i was on kp61.net asking about my non-working tail lights, and asking for someone... ANYONE to take a photo of the fuse box inside the cabin. just so i had an idea of what i was missing, if anything. 3 months and NOT ONE RESPONSE.

it was horrible. thankfully, after only 2 days of actual waiting (ie. the weekend where i did NOT drive the starlet), i finally just said 'F IT' and put some random fuses in.

BING! the brake lights worked! needless to say, i was really put off by this.

some months later, my debt was piling up, and i sold the starlet. :(

karl
05-16-2010, 02:04 AM
i find it interesting that it's usually the search nazis who are also the ones that bitch when someone revives an old thread- a thread that they found while searching.

Nitro_Alltrac
05-16-2010, 02:12 AM
Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.

not12listen
05-16-2010, 02:30 AM
Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.

bhahahahhahahahahh!!!

PRICELESS! i'm going to have to use that one. :) should i pay you royalties for it? :)

Nitro_Alltrac
05-16-2010, 02:37 AM
Consider it a freebie!

not12listen
05-16-2010, 02:40 AM
Consider it a freebie!

good sir, you are too generous. :)

v8killer
05-16-2010, 09:32 AM
Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.

LMAO


yeah i think i have even been guilty of this once, idk if it was a "noob" or not, if i helped dissapoint someone that time i now say sorry. i can't recall the situation but after a day i replied with a link to the answer for the question he/she had asked.

this should be sticky'd

Shadowlife25
05-16-2010, 10:04 AM
Temp stickied here in General until I figure out how to put it in an FAQ along with the others.

Thank you ALL for your support and doing your part to help when you're able.
THAT is what we are about. :)

allTRACway
05-25-2010, 12:57 PM
this is a great post. im a noob i guess you could call it and i just straight up suck at searching so i just pick a place to took and read and soak it all in ill find vets bringing up things i have seen in just reading. were all gulty a of reposting ild posts or being a little lazy. but thanks for not being dickbags about it all

ps what a CAI ha :thinking:

Atus
05-25-2010, 01:56 PM
Great rule. All must remember that most people can describe just symptoms of problem and they have no idea what keywords use for search. Not to mention specific terms for many things/items if they just bought first car or they native language isn't english.

cocojambo
05-29-2017, 08:18 PM
Thanks for this rule! Beginners like me really have no idea how to search sometimes, and yes, I know I do have to get better at searching, but until then I wouldn't mind if people would reply nicely to me. Thank you for understanding how it feels like!