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david in germany
10-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Fans of the long-gone Supra, MR2 and even the Celica may rejoice; as we tipped you off a few hours ago, Toyota has just released the first official photos of the FT-86, a near-production concept model of its Subaru co-developed rear-wheel drive coupe that will make its world debut at the Tokyo Motor Show later this month. The production version of the 2+2 seater sports coupe, whose conceptual name harks back to the popular RWD Corolla AE86 of the mid-1980s, is due to go on sale towards the end of 2011.

"The FT-86 Concept is neither an electric vehicle nor a hybrid vehicle, but is a sports model with a gasoline engine developed to convey the essential appeal of automobiles in a new era. It is a must-see concept car that expresses TMC's desire to once again create a Toyota sports car," the Japanese automaker said in a release published on its official site.
The compact-sized coupe is powered by a front-mounted, 2.0-liter four-cylinder boxer engine sourced from Subaru that drives the rear wheels. Official details are still scarce, but our sources tell us that Toyota opted to equip the concept model with a naturally-aspirated version of Subaru's 2.0-liter flat flour that produces 150HP in the Impreza.

However, it is most likely that the Japanese automaker has tweaked the engine to crank out a few more ponies boosting output closer to 200 horsepower.

It's worth noting that in Japan, Subaru also offers a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer with 250HP that powers the Impreza S-GT that we all know as the WRX in most markets.

It's still too early to know which powertrains will be available on the production version of the FT-86, but Subaru's 2.0-liter and 2.5-liter four-cylinder boxer engines (depending on the market) in both naturally aspirated and turbocharged forms would have to be the most serious candidates.

The coupe is quite compact in dimensions measuring 4,160mm (163.7-in.) in length, 1,760mm (69.3-in.) in width, and 1,260mm (49.6-in.) in height with a wheelbase of 2,570mm (101.2-in.).

The FT-86 Concept was penned at Toyota's European Design Development ED2 studio that's located in Nice, France. The exterior design, which obviously won't change much when it reaches production in 2011, is clearly inspired by Toyota's FT-HS hybrid concept that was unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show in 2007. And yes, we must admit that our first take is very positive.

Needless to say that the FT-86's interior styling is far too conceptual for production, but it does provide a hint or two (no more though...) at the design direction Toyota is taking with the production model.

As we've already said before, the FT-86 will also spawn a Subaru version that will share the same underpinnings and mechanical hardware but according to the two Japanese automakers, will feature its own distinct styling. Hopefully, Subaru's "design team" won't disappoint us this time...

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819063+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-grille.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/25381628+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-side-view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819060+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-driver-side-view.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/25381622+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-rear-three-quarter.jpg
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Trance4c
10-06-2009, 02:26 PM
now we're talkn'!!

Murgatroy
10-06-2009, 02:28 PM
I want to see the toned down production version. I might like it more then.

As it is, I like it a little.

burnyd
10-06-2009, 02:36 PM
oh dear god that is a beauty

david in germany
10-06-2009, 02:42 PM
They better build a turbo version.

Grot
10-06-2009, 03:17 PM
Love how it looks but im with murg, wonder how the actual production version will look

Colossus20v
10-06-2009, 03:32 PM
I hope they actually make the car. Im so tired of hearing that they are then they aren't. Just build the damn thing and make everyone happy.

cms-gt4
10-06-2009, 04:07 PM
It looks ok. The roofline reminds me too much of the 370z and GTR. The base engine option sucks, but maybe if its light enough it can still be fun. Even if they do not offer a better engine, I do not see why people can't do sti or wrx engine swaps.

CarolinaJr.
10-06-2009, 04:09 PM
I need new shorts = 0!

toyotaguy90
10-06-2009, 04:26 PM
The A-pillar/front window design reminds me a little bit of the GT-R

car
10-06-2009, 05:23 PM
I like it, and yes, it does seem to take several design cues from Nissan, but I still like it a lot.

T-spoon
10-06-2009, 05:34 PM
Definitely starting to look like a new car I could dig.

Waffles!
10-06-2009, 05:37 PM
Hopefully it will be lightweight so the car can actually move. I'm not big on the exterior of the car though. The front looks mean, but it doesn't carry that look to the rear, or even the middle of the car. If I were to see it on the road right now, I would think it was a 370z with a different front end.

I am happy that Toyota will finally be producing a RWD car again.

Nitro_Alltrac
10-06-2009, 05:56 PM
I like it and would buy one. I doubt the production model will vary a lot. The car in the pictures doesn't appear to have any weird "prototype" features on it. The Japanese, Honda especially, have been doing their show cars of potential production vehicles much closer to production ready form.

Like I've said before, even though this car may not be everyone's ideal right now, pray that it sells decently. If it does, we'll most likely see more interesting, sporty cars coming down the pike.

I'm also wondering how true the rumor of the "new Supra" showing up at Tokyo really is. Akio Toyoda is a performance guy. Hopefully we'll see something in that respect as well. Toyota needs something to compete with the Z car.

donteatbugs
10-06-2009, 06:15 PM
i might trade the ole gt-s in on something like that

Luni
10-06-2009, 06:20 PM
That is a dope looking car. Id roll that shit.

85gtsblackman
10-06-2009, 06:35 PM
i dig it

now if it actally comes to the u.s.?

odd they would use a 150hp boxer engine thats 2.0 when they have the 2.5 ej25 that makes 175hp, and gets good gas milage

andy
10-06-2009, 07:06 PM
it'll make it stateside. hawtness, now the new supra plz.

Idiot Stick
10-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Also consider trading the ol GT-S in for it, if its worth it. ;)

Cavanagh
10-06-2009, 07:18 PM
I'd consider trading in the ole' MR2 & IS300 for ir. :D I really like it!

Slider
10-06-2009, 09:11 PM
The exterior looks awesome

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819066+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-interior.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819195+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-gear-shift.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819201+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-passenger-seat.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819207+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-rim.jpg

Lemuel
10-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Hmm 6 speed tranny, 250hp turbo. probably 3300 lbs. I bet it starts out at 23k runs 14sec flat.

90CelicaST
10-06-2009, 10:20 PM
Hmm, turns out Sony was on the ball about getting it in GT5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oOXdKcdpZ8

cms-gt4
10-06-2009, 11:23 PM
I like it, and yes, it does seem to take several design cues from Nissan, but I still like it a lot.

I see some shared design elements.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/17527-2009-Nissan-370Z.jpg

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/reviews/12_month_car_reviews/17928228+w440/0903_04_z+2010_nissan_gT-R+profile_view.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819060+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-driver-side-view.jpg


I'm also wondering how true the rumor of the "new Supra" showing up at Tokyo really is. Akio Toyoda is a performance guy. Hopefully we'll see something in that respect as well. Toyota needs something to compete with the Z car.
I don't know about supra but they have been driving around LF-As recently.



I did a quick rendering it's not perfect but it will give people a better idea of what it'll look like down the line

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/Lexus-LF-229991.jpg
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/Lexus-LF600x1060.jpg

Just posted today, nearly completely undisguised.

More spy photos of the production Lexus LF-A supercar pounding round the Nurburgring have emerged.

The Lexus LF-A, which will go on sale in October priced around £300,000, will be officially unveiled at the Tokyo Motor show next month and just 500 examples will be built over the next two or three years, depending on how long it takes to sell that many cars.

20 cars are earmarked for the UK, starting in early 2010, and each owner being introduced to their car at a private circuit in Spain by one of Toyota’s hand-picked driving superstars.

The car, which began life in 2003, will be fitted with a 5.0-litre V10 engine that can be revved to an extraordinary 9,000rpm.

Lexus engineers are confident the unit will produce around 550bhp with ease and with a power to weight ratio 366.6bhp per tonne performance should be up with a Ferrari 599, the car’s main competitor.

Stopping power is expected to come courtesy of carbon ceramic rotors sitting behind 20-inch wheels.

Suspension is by double wishbones and coil-over dampers at the front with a multi-link arrangement and coil-over dampers at the back.

The chassis-tub is made from carbon composite, which will give the Lexus LF-A with one of the stiffest shells in production car history, and the outer body skin will be made from aluminium.



http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n41/tractorcrusher/TS/Lexus%20LF-A/Ballpark-Debuts-R.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n41/tractorcrusher/TS/Lexus%20LF-A/Lexus-LF-2299912057611600x1060.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n41/tractorcrusher/TS/Lexus%20LF-A/Lexus-LF-22999120584671600x1060.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n41/tractorcrusher/TS/Lexus%20LF-A/Lexus-LF-22999120598741600x1060.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n41/tractorcrusher/TS/Lexus%20LF-A/Lexus-LF-2299912111401600x1060.jpg

Source- Lexus LF-A supercar undisguised - Autocar.co.uk (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Lexus-LF-A/243467/)

EDIT: Found pics of it in white:

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/1602770.jpg
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/4942786.jpg
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/5746785.jpg
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/8323798.jpg
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/9256488.jpg

cms-gt4
10-07-2009, 01:29 AM
I think there might be some 2000gt influence as well.

http://www.jdmcars.info/cars/Toyota_2000_GT.jpg

Nitro_Alltrac
10-07-2009, 02:24 AM
Yea, the LF-A is a go but I have read a couple of different rumors about the showing a potential new Supra. It's supposed to be based on the hybrid show car from a couple of years ago. Last thing I read was it would be available as a hybrid and with the conventional gas engine as well. I guess we'll see in a few weeks.

cms-gt4
10-07-2009, 02:31 AM
What it might look like with Red paint and nicer wheels.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7966/toyotaft86conceptrays.jpg

cms-gt4
10-07-2009, 02:56 AM
I think if they omit the vents below the lights and blend it better the front is much nicer.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5646/toyotaft86conceptgrille.jpg

toyotaguy90
10-07-2009, 03:19 AM
I'm curious as to what the zippers on the dash do?

cms-gt4
10-07-2009, 03:39 AM
With RC front vents and one with the RC hood vent.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4287/f86rcductwork.jpg

Grot
10-07-2009, 03:59 AM
the RC hood one looks mean

cms-gt4
10-07-2009, 03:59 AM
More.


Here are some picts to give you a size idea:


http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr212/AaronCompNetSys/compareS2k-1.jpg

Height is a bit off due to the higher shot on the Impreza, length is good though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/wcbjr/compare.jpg

and now the photochops of how it might look in colors and wheels:

http://i36.tinypic.com/3134vop.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mr_seize/image/117993152.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/pointa-b-c/Off%20topic/ft86.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/pointa-b-c/Off%20topic/ft86-g.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/pointa-b-c/Off%20topic/ft86-b.jpg

lolz, now those are some GTR colors.

Okctrd
10-07-2009, 05:12 AM
wow, those photchops look good.

i like the black one and the red lowered one.

the front bumper also reminds me a little of the rx-8 bumper.

geebes
10-07-2009, 05:22 AM
I think there might be some 2000gt influence as well.

http://www.jdmcars.info/cars/Toyota_2000_GT.jpg


Indeed...they should call it the 2001gt.

andy
10-07-2009, 05:23 AM
in for a black one

Razors_Edge
10-07-2009, 06:35 AM
I personally love the front end but i agree that the side and rear of the car could use some work. Reguardless i would still buy one! Infact if indeed this car is produced for sure, i will be buying one with in the first year of production as the funds permit.

Galcobar
10-07-2009, 10:24 AM
It makes sense the LF-A and the FT-86 bear striking similarities -- consider the relationship between the Supra and the Celica.

Then again, small 2+2 coupes are all going to have a reasonably similar look as they're all built off the same technology and with related interiors. Look at a first-gen Celica -- relatively long hood, sloped rear roof with small rear side windows, etc.

tuner4life
10-07-2009, 02:25 PM
Hmmm, I like it. I am a little concerned about the drivetrain though. Dont get me wrong, I love subarus and their engines just as much as the next guy, but why couldn't toyota make their own engine like in all of their other past sports cars? I just think it detracts from the charm just a little bit.

That being said, I love it and wouldn't hesitate to go get one if the money's there.


P.S. : Lets see a photoshop of it with an AE86-esqe Panda paintjob

VikingJZ
10-07-2009, 03:21 PM
I was actually at the dealer yesterday talking to one of the guys and he said he heard rumors they may call it either the Celica or Sprinter

VikingJZ
10-07-2009, 03:25 PM
And honestly, I think they need to get the Supra out as a competitor for the GT-R.

I'd love to see a state-side battle between two iconic Japanese legends in the modern era.

balang_479
10-07-2009, 03:33 PM
I want one now!!!

cms-gt4
10-07-2009, 03:45 PM
Someone did.


Notice the super Jay Dee Emm custom license plate :thumbup:

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/ft86copy.jpg

More Jay dee em

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/nemochocolate/ft86c.jpg

toyotaguy90
10-07-2009, 04:34 PM
In case anyone else was curious about the same thing
http://www.bespokeventures.com/blog/2009/10/07/not-another-ft-86-post/

Galcobar
10-07-2009, 10:16 PM
Hmmm, I like it. I am a little concerned about the drivetrain though. Dont get me wrong, I love subarus and their engines just as much as the next guy, but why couldn't toyota make their own engine like in all of their other past sports cars? I just think it detracts from the charm just a little bit.


Such as the Yamaha-sourced 3SGE-variants?

cms-gt4
10-09-2009, 05:46 PM
On the note of the LFA, it looks like there is new video and pics.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/video-production-spec-lexus-lf-a-opens-the-taps-outside-the-ri/

cms-gt4
10-09-2009, 06:03 PM
Take this with a grain of salt.


we had a toyota corporate guy come in to my work for this past week and i was talking to him about that ft-86. Toyota is actually not carrying out that plan but it is being passed to scion. There is talk about making basicly a revised tc in rwd platform so we will see how impressive it is actually going to be. Its only supposed to be a 200hp boxer motor in it but there is light talk about a turbo model.

GT4SOM
10-09-2009, 09:27 PM
I'm excited, this seems like it has come with perfect timing for me. Hopefully they will have something out by 2011. I hope they keep the scion name off of this car. I would believe the car might be rwd tC in the future because they have been pushing hard on the Formula D Scion Drift car which is really gay considering you can't drift an actual tC.

Nitro_Alltrac
10-09-2009, 11:47 PM
It might end up being a Scion but Akio Toyoda is wanting some new, exciting vehicles in the Toyota line up as well. I think he realizes that they need to do something to start lowering the average age of the buyers.

GT4SOM
10-10-2009, 05:16 AM
http://www.bespokeventures.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/11-toyota-ft-86-concept-press.jpg

I just noticed in this picture the ABS button and I can't really see what the other button is. I'm guessing its to turn off the ESC or something. Can we say drift mode? Hahaha

MCcelica
10-10-2009, 07:10 AM
I'd still rock the shit outta that mug

VikingJZ
10-10-2009, 07:31 AM
It might end up being a Scion but Akio Toyoda is wanting some new, exciting vehicles in the Toyota line up as well. I think he realizes that they need to do something to start lowering the average age of the buyers.

Agreed.

I think that was another factor in shoving out Ken Watanabe as well.

cms-gt4
10-14-2009, 03:28 AM
Update:
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2009/10/spy-photos-toyota-ft-86-on-the-nurburgring.html

Lonestag
10-14-2009, 03:44 AM
I think that thing looks great, I mean it could always be better, but at this point I would feel fine if somthing like that came out.

Thing about the NA boxer is, I think there is a lot of untapped power in these things, unlike the 5S which needs butchared to see any real HP gain...

I'll be in for one as soon as I have the cash...

cms-gt4
10-14-2009, 03:50 AM
Possible suby version.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22

Ghosty
10-14-2009, 06:42 AM
Not to crash the Ft-86 party, but you've got to check out the vid of the LFA on the 'Ring. Ho. Lee. Shit. It's the real fookin deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd8-1kO_wBM&feature=player_embedded

Thoughts on the FT-86: Like everything from the front fenders back. Like the swoopyness, like the curved rear edge on the door, the balance between muscularity and subtlety on the rear wheel arches (tasteful, non-ricer stuff), the pronounced rear diffuser and tailpipe placement, and the sculpted rear taillights. It's a looker.

THAT BEING SAID, sadly, it seems to lack some originality.
Take the rear, for instance.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/25381622+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-rear-three-quarter.jpg
Now look at the rear of the Hyundai Genesis Coupe.
http://www.automagazined.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/0905_07_z2010_hyundai_genesis_couperear_three_quar ter_view.jpg
Or the BMW 6 Series.
http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw3-6-series-11-4-08.jpg

Even in the front...
http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0910_toyota_ft_86_concept/30819063+w750+st0/toyota-ft-86-concept-grille.jpg
Which looks like this dude...
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/writer/370ZSpottedinRedTheZDailyDose_111D6/cnd_370zred_01.jpg
Got sloshed and diddled this chick without a rubber...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2010/images/mazda/2010_mazda3/2010-mazda3_gw_004-2754.jpg
Which, as genetics do, looks a lot like her father...
http://www.freewaymazda.com/images/2006mazda/parts/rx8_front.jpg

Now, perhaps I just don't have an appreciation for today's car designs, but I'm not seeing anything that really differentiates it from the cars its competing with. That's not saying the BMW 6 series hasn't a nice ass, or that the Genesis Coupe isn't a sexy beast, it's just saying "meh." Then again, seeing the car in person could make a difference.

But, maybe that's saying something about car design today; you can look at the picture and then look at the real thing and see two different cars (case in point, got an entirely false impression of the 370z from photos, turns out the fangs don't take away from the nosejob).

Aside from the looks, I've got concerns about performance. Only 150 horsepower? Really? Even in a base model, a $25k sports car, in 2010, 150 horsepower? It might be a bit smaller than a WRX, but that's not going to stop it from handling like a pig. The 1.8L 1ZZ only produced 10 less horsepower than this 2.0L. If Toyota has any hopes of making this car a competitor to the Genesis coupe, it better turn up the boost. And quick.

85gtsblackman
10-14-2009, 07:17 AM
about the copying looks


its kinda like the late 80s early 90s fad all over again. All the cars look very similar

anything that didnt looked odd (in the general publics eyes) or was probally really expenive

Doctor Jinxed
10-14-2009, 07:47 AM
Was thinking of financing a Genesis Coupe this December, but if the plans fall out and I have to postpone new car buying, I'd much rather the FT. :)

Ghosty
10-14-2009, 06:06 PM
about the copying looks


its kinda like the late 80s early 90s fad all over again. All the cars look very similar


It does seem to be that way. And not like these new designs aren't really neat to see in person, they look really good, but I was hoping that Toyota would go a little more out of its way to look original, and perhaps, start a new design trend.

For instance: the 5th, 6th and 7th gen celicas. Especially the 5th and 7th. And especially the CS RC 5thgen GT-4. Half of why they are so iconic is there are so many design cues that do not come from competitors of the day like Nissan, Honda and Mazda.

The same, I suppose, could be said for the MKIV Supra. I don't know of many cars in that day that looked like that (just maybe a Ferrari 550 Maranello). Or the MR2 (suppose it looked a little like a midget Ferrari Testarossa), or the MRS (perhaps a little Porsche-like with the treatment of the headlamps).

Wicked Toys
10-14-2009, 09:14 PM
I like it alot. Much better then I thought.

Still wish it had a new Toyota Engine n DriveTrain but if they do a 2.5 Turbo version, which I'm sure they will overseas. I'll be trading my WRX in.

And Josh, the CS Chopped you made is Awesome.

KoreanJoey
10-14-2009, 10:00 PM
Really do not want to work on boxer motors...

celicaGT90_05
10-14-2009, 10:21 PM
The nose reminds me of an S2000 a LOT, I think they could do a little more in that department and maybe sleak back the roof a litle more. The interior shots look awesome, seems like it'll be a real nice car to drive. Id deffinately rock it

cms-gt4
12-07-2009, 09:52 PM
I was just reading an article in Motor Trend at the Dr. office. Says it might even be called a Celica. While this car may not have a lot of power in stock form, I do not doubt that decent power can be achieved with the platform. The only thing I found odd, is how Toyota kept saying they want this to be the ultimate drift car. I am curious if there will be some odd handling characteristics to achieve this drifter status. Its looking like this car is a go. It might be ideal for Luni to update the site and keep up with the celica car news. He could bring a lot of new members to this site by doing so.

Murgatroy
12-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Your request has fallen on ears that can make it so...

Doctor Jinxed
12-08-2009, 05:51 AM
I don't like the idea of calling this thing a Celica though. It's been marketed as an AE86 inspired vehicle form the start and it just wouldn't be right to change that angle now.


I have no qualms about that AWD Turbo version that people keep rumoring to be sold under Suby being called a Celica though.

Or they can call it a Scion GT4 if they want lol.

goretro77
01-23-2010, 01:06 PM
sort of a thread resurrect...

Nephew was visitng last night and could not stop talking about the FT86. If this really hits the dealerships in 2011 he's definitely going to pick it up and I'll head with him that day to get it.

It looks good on paper, I wish it had a Toyota powerplant and drivetrain in it but the Subie alternative is not a bad option. I bet one will just have to get used to its powerdelivery and develop an ear for the shift points.


Toyota needs to keep it simple, rear wheel drive and most of all, lightweight. Just like the AE86 used to be.

spitfiremk16
01-23-2010, 01:52 PM
im not a big fan of the subie drivetrain either, 3s swap maybe?

cms-gt4
01-24-2010, 01:34 AM
I don't like the idea of a 3S swap. I think the TC engine, with a better head and a turbo would be a good solution. Its a bit lighter than the 3S, and thats the point of this car. Beside, that extra .4L might help with the power band.

Lonestag
01-24-2010, 01:47 AM
I still like the boxer. My first choice would be a toyo engine, but think of all the aftermarket support for a subi powerplant on this thing. I would love to see NA tuning options along with turbo stuff.

mlwmlw
01-24-2010, 05:02 PM
NA tuning would not be huge, it is difficult to get a perfectly scavenging header system from the boxer engine's exhaust pulses due to space limitations. It is possible, but likely the space won't be there under the hood. Boxer engines are very good for Forced Induction though. For example, one subaru (might be a forged or billet block) is putting out over 1000 horsepower. You really hardly see any inline 4's putting out that kindof power.

That and you would get a lower center of gravity with the boxer engine

Hopefully though you can take the fenders off to work on the engine. Otherwise it's likely you might have to pull the whole thing out to do upgrades or repairs like piston swaps, head gaskets, IDN I guess it depends how much room you have in there