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bluebox376
08-23-2009, 08:17 AM
I found a decent Celica for pretty cheap and I want to go buy it, but I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do to it once I get it. The engine it has put out like 90hp when it was new, and I was thinking of doing maybe a 4AGZE, 4AGE 20v blacktop, 3SGE, or something along those lines... 4AGZE would be the cheapest/easiest, but I want to avoid using forced induction. I don't want a turbo because I'm not a big fan of the lag, and superchargers are parasites. I would prefer all NA power, and something with 175+ hp. I already have a spare 4AGE, but it might be dead already (haven't cracked it open yet) from my old '86 MR2.

Let me know what you think :].

Grot
08-23-2009, 02:56 PM
well, the 85 GTS has a 22RE in it.

So any of the engines you listed you would have to fabricate motor mounts for.

If you are loking for that much power out of an NA engine, look at the 3SGE BEAMS.
They are expensive, but nice.

dynamic73
08-23-2009, 09:14 PM
If you like 3rd gen Celica's, then get it. It's not going to be a really fast car. They were not made to be. If you want a really fast car. Then buy something else. If you want to make a 3rd gen fast. Be prepared to spend some major bucks. Check out this link for more information: http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/

andy
08-24-2009, 01:27 AM
loved my 84 gt, should have kept it and sold my 91

bluebox376
08-24-2009, 07:58 PM
I don't wan something fast really, I just want a decent amount of power. What I REALLY want is handling. I love my MR2 because of it's handling, and the power has never really bothered me. I mean, it's fast enough. Everyone my age seems to want the biggest turbo...

VikingJZ
08-24-2009, 08:05 PM
Even if it isn't "fast" you are still going to have tons of money into getting an engine into the car and tuned properly to run right.

You can make a 22RE a nicely performing engine.

The engine in that car is essentially indestructible.

Hipster Lawrence
08-25-2009, 01:31 AM
An 85 celica will NEVER handle like an mk1. Keep the 22re hop that motor up its a fucking bulletproof torque monster compared to the engines you listed. You could turbo it or whatever.

Good luck I wish I could get a clean GTS hatch for cheap.

Tara
08-27-2009, 02:45 AM
2rz or 3rz. The mounts need to be moved, but other than that, it's a super easy swap (so I hear.) As long as the car's a 5 speed, all you need is a bellhousing to mate it to the w58. And you get to stay with the truck motor theme!

Mr. Babb
08-27-2009, 03:14 AM
just put a 7m in it and call it a day

85gtsblackman
08-27-2009, 09:56 AM
eh u can get over 200hp boosted with a 22re and around 165 n/a

btw u got the facts wrong, a 1985 22re has 116hp and 145ish torque

an a series engine is this car would be stupid

if your going to do that dont buy it

usp45
08-27-2009, 08:27 PM
If you insist on NA power in a 3rd gen, you can't go wrong with a 1uzfe.

85gtsblackman
08-28-2009, 09:18 AM
best swap, makes power, cheap to find, lightweight v8

bobblyhead
08-30-2009, 05:04 AM
4age lacks the torque. Forget it. 22RE is a bulletproof engine and easy to work on. Check with the toyota truck guys and see what they have been doing with their 22re. I know that TRD use to sale cam, valves, and complete heads. Also I know you mentioned no turbos, but a small turbo to the 22re should leave you pretty happy and without the big headaches of high boost turbo motors.

geebes
08-30-2009, 05:08 AM
Cant you build a 22re and make them super-fast? and by super-fast I mean somewhat fast.

Tara
08-30-2009, 07:44 PM
A cammed 22RE is decent and fun, but whether it is fast or not depends on your perception. I think a car is fast if it can beat a Lambo. Some people think a car is fast if it can beat a stock civic.

In my opinion, a 22RE isn't going to be quick unless it's got a turbo strapped to it. You can get 22RTEs out of trucks - stock! They're decent, but you'd be wanting to upgrade the turbo. It's easier to start with the turbo version of the motor than to convert from NA - but it can still be done quite handily.

If you want to put something else in there, the 2rz fits really well, and there are a number of bolt-on turbo and supercharger kits that WILL make it fast. The upside to using this motor is that it is newer than the 22r, and will likely have lower mileage and a better overall design.

Next consideration is the rest of the drivetrain. If you want to be running big power, you will need to start upgrading to beefier parts. Diff, brakes (so you can stop!!), one piece driveshaft, blah blah blah.

Just my $0.02.