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alwayzsidewayz
05-30-2009, 04:56 PM
Few good upgrades for 4th gens,

* I have updated title to reflect thread content better.

Cambelt side engine mount, can be swapped for ST185 one, allows you to fit additional brace, from mount to the alt bracket. Screw in point in the bracket is already there.

ST185 brake master cylinder, fits ST165. Direct bolt on to the booster, and you just need to alter one brake line a bit. In the UK, you cannot get ST165 brake master cylinders anymore and most 2nd hand ones are worn out.

ST185 aftermarket exhausts 2.5" bore can be made to fit aswell, I run a mongoose one.

ST185 rear brake discs, bigger than 165 ones, get the caliper carriers and discs and you can bolt on the bigger discs and still use your orginal calipers.

Guess you all know about the C/S / RC front caliper / disc upgrade.

ST185 RC or ST205 gearlever, fits in as a perfect replacement, shorter shift / better action.

Sure there are plenty of others, this is just of the top of my head.

Hope this helps.

RedRkt01
05-30-2009, 07:23 PM
Few good upgrades for ST165s

Cambelt side engine mount, can be swapped for ST185 one, allows you to fit additional brace, from mount to the alt bracket. Screw in point in the bracket is already there.

ST185 brake master cylinder, fits ST165. Direct bolt on to the booster, and you just need to alter one brake line a bit. In the UK, you cannot get ST165 brake master cylinders anymore and most 2nd hand ones are worn out.

ST185 aftermarket exhausts 2.5" bore can be made to fit aswell, I run a mongoose one.

ST185 rear brake discs, bigger than 165 ones, get the caliper carriers and discs and you can bolt on the bigger discs and still use your orginal calipers.

Guess you all know about the C/S / RC front caliper / disc upgrade.

ST185 RC or ST205 gearlever, fits in as a perfect replacement, shorter shift / better action.

Sure there are plenty of others, this is just of the top of my head.

Hope this helps.

Hey mate! I'm glad you stopped in. I haven't heard from you in a while.

88st165
05-31-2009, 07:11 AM
Good info!

schnee
06-02-2009, 03:25 PM
I find GT4 parts hard to find, so looking at other alternatives

185, 205? doubt I'll ever even get my grubby paws on one - those things are scarce here!

202's are a plague here, I think the rally guys grabbed all the 205's long ago.

From the side the differences between 16x, 18x, 202 aren't impressive but the 202 is a cheap worthwhile upgrade and impressive viewed from the front.
Here's a pad comparison between the 3, you can see the 182 pad does fit with the tabs filed down and covers some dead space not used by the 162 at the bottom of the disk.
The 202 pad is a lot bigger and will give way more mileage in normal driving conditions

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/_MrMagoo/Cars/Toyota%20Celica/Pads5150001.jpg

The 182 rotor is slightly bigger and thicker than the 162, and needs the 182 caliper.
The 202 rotor is the same size as the 182 but about 5mm thicker with bigger calipers/pads and needs 15in wheels to clear the caliper.

I don't see any benefit in using the 182 gear unless your rotors are history and there aren't any 202's available, but the pads can be used in a stock 162 if modified as shown.(makes your std disks look bigger as well!)

Don't get confused with 165, 185, 205 setups as they are even more different and from what I've heard will not fit the 162. I'm starting to have serious doubts though.

Here's a rally st165 with what appears to be 202 front calipers and aftermarket (or slotted std?) 202 disks with wheel spacers.

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/_MrMagoo/Cars/Toyota%20Celica/88906st202brakes.jpg

UPDATE:
I made an interesting discovery today, the early Camry's have the same hardware!
The JDM 2.2l version has 202 type disks and calipers
The JDM 3l V6 has twin pot calipers and bigger disks which look like 205 items

I did a check on the 202 pads and these models all have the same calipers
Lexus LS400 1989-1992
Lexus ES300 1991-1996
Toyota Celsior 1989-1992
Toyota Windom 1991-1996
Toyota Avalon 1995-2000
Toyota Celica ST202 1994 -1999
Toyota Soarer Coupe (two options)

Which is great news considering I already have a V6 Camry Master cylinder which is a LOT bigger than the standard item and the bottles are interchangable.
Pipes should be easy to move if done carefully.

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/_MrMagoo/Cars/Toyota%20Celica/mastercyl1.jpg

Here's a disk comparison (not to be confused with the 162, 182, 202)

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/_MrMagoo/Cars/Toyota%20Celica/165_205disks.jpg

rev_head
06-03-2009, 02:33 PM
ST185 RC or ST205 gearlever, fits in as a perfect replacement, shorter shift / better action.
.

would this mean they could fit in a 162? or even the after market varients of the 185 and 205 shifters?

i ask coz as far as i know the 165 and 162 are interchangable, i think all thats required is a washer or something???
P.S didnt realise ther was so many from 162.net on this site :lolhittin

rev_head
06-03-2009, 02:36 PM
also with the brakes

the 185 and 165 twin piston caliper are identicle correct? and therefore eithe disc can be used. Is there a different disc size on the 185 front between the twin and single piston calipers?

RedRkt01
06-03-2009, 04:56 PM
would this mean they could fit in a 162? or even the after market varients of the 185 and 205 shifters?

i ask coz as far as i know the 165 and 162 are interchangable, i think all thats required is a washer or something???
P.S didnt realise ther was so many from 162.net on this site :lolhittin

Yeah, the 162 will accept them.

The non-time wasting 4th Gen crew generally hangs out here.

schnee
06-04-2009, 03:16 AM
I think the more we look and find out for ourselves, the more we will find that parts are actually compatible and some just need minor mods.

I haven't been able to get intimate with 202's till now, and people telling me "you can't use 182 parts" didn't help. ie - I suspect the 182 sunroof etc is the same item, I'm already using the brake pads, rear silencers, switches, sensors etc

What's with the 165 parts? You got more chance of falling pregnant, esp in Australia! Even here you will not find a 165, 185, or 205 in the yards.

Actually most of us started here, all the boards are getting quieter as the cars are slowly being crushed. We still have a few hundred cars around New Zealand and I'm trying to get the guys together instead of sending cars to scrapyards - which is what the new legislation here is designed to do.

rev_head
06-04-2009, 07:46 AM
Yeah, the 162 will accept them.

The non-time wasting 4th Gen crew generally hangs out here.

ahh that explains why i dont come on here often hehe

snd yes 165 parts here in oz is well non existant. There are no 185s in the wreckers but there are an assload of them, il usually see 1-2 a day on the roads. Theyv also become basically wurthless!! iv seen mint condiotion 185s with alot spent, putting out big power go for like 13grand, if they werent so ugly IMO id buy 1 instead of making a gt2 lol.

i owuld love to try and figure what fits myself but i dont have the money to afford the parts to tinker with, hell i dont even have the money for the petrol to go get parts!

alwayzsidewayz
06-05-2009, 11:12 AM
also with the brakes

the 185 and 165 twin piston caliper are identicle correct? and therefore eithe disc can be used. Is there a different disc size on the 185 front between the twin and single piston calipers?

The orginial 185 caliper twin piston one and 165 caliper are the same, but then so IIRC is the disc size.
The single piston caliper 185 comes with a bigger disc hence the upgrade.

I know this, as In error I first bourght the early 185 calipers, when looking to upgrade my 165, which was a pain.

In the UK one person carried out a conversion to fit audi TT discs using the orginial twin pistion calipers, but this does require a custom made spacer.

In the UK, we are lucky, we have a number of tatty ST162/165s arround, but sadly most are rottern.

For ST165 users the ST185 engine mount mod is great, as it helps to stop the head cracking.

good info re the other swap outs as well!!, the more swap / upgrade info the better.

METDeath
06-05-2009, 01:05 PM
The JDM twin piston 185 caliper uses 165 disc/pads.

RedRkt01
06-05-2009, 03:47 PM
For ST165 users the ST185 engine mount mod is great, as it helps to stop the head cracking.

Rich, can you elaborate on this?

Mafix
06-05-2009, 03:59 PM
the head crack issue is related to the stress the alternator bracket puts on the front of the head. the 185 side mount uses a brace to the top of that bracket and helps triangulate that force rather then hanging it on a point.

RedRkt01
06-05-2009, 04:09 PM
the head crack issue is related to the stress the alternator bracket puts on the front of the head. the 185 side mount uses a brace to the top of that bracket and helps triangulate that force rather then hanging it on a point.

Ah.....thanks. that makes sense.

alwayzsidewayz
06-06-2009, 10:16 AM
The mount needs to be trimed down a touch to fit, but its not a hard job.

RedRkt01
06-07-2009, 10:26 PM
I wonder if I need to worry about this on a 3rd Gen 3SGE. I'll have to take a look.

alwayzsidewayz
06-07-2009, 10:42 PM
not sure, Cracked heads seam to be a gen 1 issue.

Cheers for the link to the site BTW.

schnee
06-08-2009, 02:28 AM
It's a feature on many JDM G1 FE & GE motors but not all. All the G2 GE's seem to have it fitted.

The G3 GE & Beams motors do not have it fitted as standard, but no harm in adding one

RedRkt01
06-08-2009, 02:30 AM
not sure, Cracked heads seam to be a gen 1 issue.

Cheers for the link to the site BTW.

Not a problem at all mate! The average age over here is a bit higher so I thought you'd be a good fit. Our discussions are a bit more mature than you've likely seen elsewhere. A great bunch over here I should say. I also wanted to recruit a fellow 4th Gen driver over here; Especially one engaged in motorsports.

BTW.....congrats to the new papa! :bigthumbu

CriScO
06-08-2009, 05:28 AM
Cheers for the link to the site BTW.
Agreed. Thanks Red.

We're happy to have you here man!

rev_head
06-08-2009, 08:31 AM
redrkt you basically recruited every 4th genner didnt you lol. Although i wouldnt have thought id fit in to the older less bullshit crowd considering im 18. appreciate the linky regardless. I think il be coming here more often now!

alwayzsidewayz
06-08-2009, 11:14 AM
Agreed. Thanks Red.

We're happy to have you here man!

Cool :) I am enjoying the technical side, and look forward to getting more involved.

RedRkt01
06-08-2009, 02:37 PM
redrkt you basically recruited every 4th genner didnt you lol. Although i wouldnt have thought id fit in to the older less bullshit crowd considering im 18. appreciate the linky regardless. I think il be coming here more often now!

lol!....well you know....

The difference with you is that you seem to be a pretty serious tuner and you're a great trader. You also don't start some of the childish threads I've seen elsewhere.

schnee
06-08-2009, 02:56 PM
What happened to all the 4th gen threads? there used to be hundreds.

Can we start a separate "off topic" here to chat in? Call it Chat room or something?

Congrats Alwayz, & I'm glad to see there's life coming back into the site. Pity there's no members car page here, I have a shitload of pics here but nobody's ever looked?

Am I the only one who finds it difficult to find what I'm looking for on here?

RedRkt01
06-08-2009, 03:00 PM
You have to adjust your setting to show the threads that are older than a few weeks. They're all still here, no worries.

schnee
06-08-2009, 03:08 PM
Phew - that's better, knew there was a lot more here
Now I can start digging up more 2yr old threads :laugh: