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importrcr13
05-05-2009, 10:07 PM
Hey guys, I dont have a N/A celica however just out of curiosity what is your max power you're pushing out of your N/A celicas?

I had a 7th Gen GT that was about a little over 200bHp

All that was done was lighter weight pullys, headers, 3" exhaust, short ram intake, and a little tuneup to rearange the A/F ratio a bit

what about you ?

ciento44
05-05-2009, 10:14 PM
I think i make approximately 72.8whp.

grayscale
05-05-2009, 11:00 PM
72.9:laugh:
No, seriously, not many of the na guys have info on their hp, only a few are heavily modded, and I'm sure any of those have even done a dyno or anything to measure it. I think MrTurrari could give you an estimate on his, but that's about the closest you might come.

celica91gts
05-05-2009, 11:04 PM
200 bhp?!?! did you mean gts? the gt is rated to have roughly 140 hp at the crank stock right? and the only performance mod i see that you have listed really is intake and exhaust. your 3 inch piping exhaust probably freed up some top end power but made you lose a grip of low end tq. the lightened pullys really help throttle response time, i don't see a big gain in that. intake helps a bit, maybe 3 hp to the wheels. and the only other mod i see that might have helped you gain much hp is your ecu being reflashed or "tuned". it really is very hard to squeeze hp from a n/a car. as for my car i think ciento is being a little humble.

brake hp "quoted from an online source"
"Brake horsepower (abbreviated bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components such as alternator, power steering pump, muffled exhaust system, etc. "Brake" refers to a device which was used to load an engine and hold it at a desired RPM. During testing, the output torque and rotational speed were measured to determine the "brake horsepower."

stock 5sfe celica bhp was rated at 130/135. over years of wear and tear we lose power. i think we should be around 95 bhp if we take good care of our cars mechanically no?

grayscale
05-05-2009, 11:29 PM
108-115 would be the "new condition" whp. So who knows.

RedRkt01
05-06-2009, 04:52 PM
I'll be dynoing mine pretty soon. I'd say around Memorial day.

Žusty
05-07-2009, 09:50 PM
^ what are you doing to your 3sge

im still in the research stage

RedRkt01
05-08-2009, 02:03 AM
Well first of all I'm getting a baseline done. Completely stock. Then I'll be upgrading the head. I have Ferrea valves, HKS springs, HKS hi-lift 264°s, HKS gears. I am trying to source a TRD ST202 head gasket from Japan (actually found the one ending in "-SW210" 3 weeks ago, but ordering on Yahoo Auctions Japan is a bitch....now its gone). I don't have it yet, but I'll be purchasing the HKS header as well since I want the bling. I'm going to port match the head as well.

What about you, ole boy?

METDeath
05-08-2009, 04:13 AM
I am trying to source a TRD ST202 head gasket from Japan (actually found the one ending in "-SW210" 3 weeks ago, but ordering on Yahoo Auctions Japan is a bitch....now its gone).

You did get the email from RHDJapan.com about the live Yahoo! Japan auction service they have, right?

Ps3_4_lif3
05-08-2009, 06:59 AM
Cant you do cam upgrades like with bigger motors, like a 302 you can put a 351 cam in and get a substantial increase of power... wouldnt that make a N/A Celica be ballsy or will it still be like snails boning?

METDeath
05-08-2009, 01:10 PM
People have put cam regrinds in, and ended up with more power, it's not the huge gains you get on the higher displacement motors, after all: There is NO replacement for displacement!

Basically the guys that want to make NA power do some mild head work, intake, exhaust, and add spray and tuning for it.

RedRkt01
05-08-2009, 02:23 PM
Cant you do cam upgrades like with bigger motors, like a 302 you can put a 351 cam in and get a substantial increase of power... wouldnt that make a N/A Celica be ballsy or will it still be like snails boning?

What's the most powerful 3SGE you've driven? I'm just wondering..... cuz I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Žusty
05-09-2009, 12:32 AM
the biggest cam I've heard for the 3sge is 312deg 12.3 lift and its made right here in NZ :D
http://www.camshaftshop.co.nz/index.php/1994-99-Gen3/View-all-products.html


What about you, ole boy?
me? well HKS camgears, camshafts (I'm not to sure what size yet) kelford valve springs, TRD headgasket 11115-SW210 (thats the one your talking about right?) a cold airbox, done some heatwrap on the extractors then a 2.25-2.5 turbo flow exhaust, I dunno if i'll do match porting, much gains in flow?

Im still in the research stage at the moment, hopefully building at the end of the year.
power gains I hope to see +135kw at the wheels (110kw standard)
how much do you reckon?

RedRkt01
05-09-2009, 01:49 AM
That's the one mate.

I figure I 'm shooting for the same. I want 200 hp at the flywheel. That is really my benchmark and I don't think its out of reach. For a motor that came with 178 standard I think it is very attainable.

Žusty
05-11-2009, 09:41 AM
someone in europe got 195BHP with intake and exhaust and just cam gears adjusted (no big cams there)
I reckon with your ideas you could see ~230BHP what transmission you going to be using?? S54?

Ps3_4_lif3
05-11-2009, 11:18 AM
What's the most powerful 3SGE you've driven? I'm just wondering..... cuz I don't think you know what you're talking about.


never driven a 3sge.... ive driven 4g's, ive driven 302s, and some 1.3ls with RV cams.... I was just wondering because ive seen some motors out there and i worked on one before, it was called a SUMO I, and it had like 100hp and it was a 1.3l, but the cam in it was different and i found that ISKY makes cams for the same motor and so do a couple more companies, but they all have the same goal, throw it in, and it changes stuff up to boost power...

i dont mean regrinds, i mean like find a better motor with similar traits, like the 302 vs. 351, and take the cam and put it in, on the 302, two pistons fire at once, and when you put a 351 cam in, the pistons alternate boosting the power greatly, so i figured it was the same concept but apparently im wrong lol!!

METDeath
05-11-2009, 12:17 PM
i dont mean regrinds, i mean like find a better motor with similar traits, like the 302 vs. 351, and take the cam and put it in, on the 302, two pistons fire at once, and when you put a 351 cam in, the pistons alternate boosting the power greatly, so i figured it was the same concept but apparently im wrong lol!!

The problem there is that most people here tend to not want to Frankenstein car parts... or if they do, they don't document it. Also, there aren't a lot of motors similar to the S series that make more power, granted the V6 in the Camry/Solara could be worth looking into... doubt you're going to see huge power gains though... since they're still F series heads.

importrcr13
05-11-2009, 05:34 PM
someone in europe got 195BHP with intake and exhaust and just cam gears adjusted (no big cams there)
I reckon with your ideas you could see ~230BHP what transmission you going to be using?? S54?

:eek: wow... never heard of cams making that big of difference...

RedRkt01
05-11-2009, 05:56 PM
someone in europe got 195BHP with intake and exhaust and just cam gears adjusted (no big cams there)
I reckon with your ideas you could see ~230BHP what transmission you going to be using?? S54?

Nope! The extra beefy E56....triple cone syncros in first and second, double cone synchros in third. And I think I remember reading in the ST202 BGB that reverse even had a synchro on it.....no more crunch!

My build should be a pretty serious motor. I think it will open some eyes......I think.

Ps3_4_lif3
05-11-2009, 09:30 PM
The problem there is that most people here tend to not want to Frankenstein car parts... or if they do, they don't document it. Also, there aren't a lot of motors similar to the S series that make more power, granted the V6 in the Camry/Solara could be worth looking into... doubt you're going to see huge power gains though... since they're still F series heads.


so you could put a solara cam in a celica? sounds like something worth a shot no?

grayscale
05-11-2009, 09:40 PM
so you could put a solara cam in a celica? sounds like something worth a shot no?
No. The solara cam is in a v6, not I4. The problem with finding another cam is that 5sfe uses the slave cam setup, and if there are any other Toyota slave cam sets that would fit, I highly doubt they would do anything good- that's just what you get with slave cams- economy.

ciento44
05-11-2009, 09:48 PM
No. The solara cam is in a v6, not I4. The problem with finding another cam is that 5sfe uses the slave cam setup, and if there are any other Toyota slave cam sets that would fit, I highly doubt they would do anything good- that's just what you get with slave cams- economy.


There is the 5sfe Solara.... i don't know if the cams changed in later "rev2s" though. (Are they called rev3s?)

RedRkt01
05-11-2009, 09:53 PM
Economy = F Head. In other words, F = Fail

grayscale
05-11-2009, 10:03 PM
There is the 5sfe Solara.... i don't know if the cams changed in later "rev2s" though. (Are they called rev3s?)
No.

grayscale
05-11-2009, 10:03 PM
Economy = F Head. In other words, F = Fail
It's not so bad, there are plenty of work arounds for it.

Ps3_4_lif3
05-11-2009, 11:10 PM
Oops sorry to cause the camshaft swap collision. That was my fault, im not too celica savvy like you guys... Im more into bolt ons like mustangs and stuff....

RedRkt01
05-11-2009, 11:22 PM
It's not so bad, there are plenty of work arounds for it.

Oh, I know.....my ST162 had an FE in it I got thing to perform decently. That was back when I didn't have a choice. Consequently, I don't blame some guys for trying to squeeze power out of an FE....I do think it's ridiculous when they go all out and spend oodles of cash....unless they're doing it just to do it. But all in all, I respect those guys and expect them to move up in the world like I did when time and cash allow.

Žusty
05-12-2009, 08:35 AM
:eek: wow... never heard of cams making that big of difference...

not just cams though, maybe a bit high with the HP, but with the other upgrades he could be very close

jimbob789
05-27-2009, 05:19 AM
i read that my gen 2 3sge produces 165bhp at the flywheel stock - http://st18x.com/st183_gtr.htm

RedRkt01
05-27-2009, 01:52 PM
i read that my gen 2 3sge produces 165bhp at the flywheel stock - http://st18x.com/st183_gtr.htm

That sounds about right. But that's a bit lower than the Gen 3

Cavanagh
05-27-2009, 09:08 PM
I know the highest N/A 5SFE right now is dyno-ing 154WHP in an MR2. I can't find the link now, but i know it exists. The guy had to do A LOT of work though.

RedRkt01
05-27-2009, 09:20 PM
That's actually kinda impressive.....being that it's a 5S and that's whp figure....

Žusty
05-28-2009, 07:49 AM
some guy in europe has his 6gen celica with a 3sge(3rdGen) at 112WHP without spliting the block, hes hoping to get 140WHP

KoreanJoey
05-28-2009, 07:55 AM
... My stock 3rd Gen is putting down 154fwhp...

RedRkt01
05-28-2009, 02:28 PM
some guy in europe has his 6gen celica with a 3sge(3rdGen) at 112WHP without spliting the block, hes hoping to get 140WHP

That seems weak.

Žusty
05-29-2009, 02:43 AM
opps wrong change the 1 into a 2 :D


some guy in europe has his 6gen celica with a 3sge(3rdGen) at 212WHP without spliting the block, hes hoping to get 240WHP

hehehe

RedRkt01
05-29-2009, 02:23 PM
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Žusty
05-29-2009, 11:10 PM
^ that was my thoughts aswell

Dan_Q
05-31-2009, 10:07 PM
my rev 2 GE was putting out 159FWHP@6480rpm, with around 138lb/ft of torque.

that was 18,000 miles ago though. it only has mild mods, i was happy with its output for the mileage.

alwayzsidewayz
05-31-2009, 11:28 PM
Goes well enough fella!

RedRkt01
06-01-2009, 12:58 AM
my rev 2 GE was putting out 159FWHP@6480rpm, with around 138lb/ft of torque.

that was 18,000 miles ago though. it only has mild mods, i was happy with its output for the mileage.

Was that on a dyno? I'm assuming yes.

Roundy
06-03-2009, 01:26 AM
Fellow in australia has his 3SGE Beams up to 190rwkw

So 254rwhp (yes, rear wheels)

cubic arseload of money in it, but got damn it sounds SWEET

Žusty
06-03-2009, 06:43 AM
RWD 3SGE... so a blacktop 3s. standard they put out 155KW thats roughy 135rwKW (you lose about 20kw through the gearbox etc right?)


thats impressive whats it in? altezza, AE86? mods etc done to it?

MrWOT
06-03-2009, 07:29 AM
Fellow in australia has his 3SGE Beams up to 190rwkw

So 254rwhp (yes, rear wheels)

cubic arseload of money in it, but got damn it sounds SWEET

Tits or GTFO. That's some crazy BMEP, even spinning over 8k :squint:

MrTurrari
06-03-2009, 10:48 PM
That would be Celica RA45. He is running 13.5:1 CR, custom cams, headers, ITBs, dual stage injection and is reving to about 8800rpms.

Here is a link to his dyno:
http://i34.tinypic.com/v78q4k.jpg

And some video of the car at the track:
http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/Toyota-MR2-36946-you-tube-video.html

MrWOT
06-03-2009, 11:28 PM
Well, given that it's a race engine, I can see it. ~215 psi is doable with race gas. I was under the impression it was a street car. Must be a blast to drive :D

Smaay
06-04-2009, 03:07 PM
no way in hell is anyone making 200HP in a 1ZZ-FE N/A it just aint gonna happen

Dan_Q
06-07-2009, 02:53 AM
Goes well enough fella!

ha ha thanks rich, you dust me by yards every sprint though :)


Was that on a dyno? I'm assuming yes.

yes mate it was. a good few years back. with 151,000 miles i'm probably a lot less than that. Its about right for my driving ability though :laugh:

Žusty
06-07-2009, 06:42 AM
anyone know whos got the highest powered NA celica?