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usp45
04-08-2009, 12:42 PM
This is to help me plan out my drivetrain and engine build.

Please note the tires used, engine specifications/output, model of celica, transmission used, if lsd equipped, and circumstances of failure (ie 5000rpm launch.)

Grot
04-08-2009, 01:11 PM
1986 Celica GTS
3S-GE
Stock Tranny Non-LSD
Old age destroyed the motor.

Murgatroy
04-08-2009, 02:03 PM
`89 Celica 3SFE

Stock tire size (13",) stock tranny, no LSD.

Rodnock.

Bad.

She regularly saw 6000+ RPM.

No hard launches.

usp45
04-08-2009, 03:04 PM
oops I should have been more specific. I am more interested in transaxles, and axles letting go. From launching too hard,too much power, too much traction. ie 350whp + 10.5 slicks + 5000rpm launch = bucket full of transaxle shrapnal, or whatever it may be.

For the most part I already know what will kill the engines.

kungFUBAR
04-08-2009, 03:43 PM
'89 GT-S
Stock GE
Automatic
LSD
stock tire size

Torque converter shudder destroyed the joints in both axles after about 500 miles of normal driving. The boot was all that was holding the driver's side together.

Trance4c
04-08-2009, 03:53 PM
3S-GTE
stock S53 tranmission - broke 2nd gear

burnyd
04-08-2009, 05:55 PM
Stock s54 tranny - > Eventually lost 2nd - > then 5th unless held down... syncros shot,

Second S54 transmission - > Blew up on a Launch

third S54 transmission - > oddly enough lost 5th gear, then 2nd.... I got tired of filling it with syncromesh so I put a E153 in it...

This was all done on a 3sgte swap btw.

KoreanJoey
04-09-2009, 03:07 AM
S54, blowed up (no idea why)
S53, crappy machine shop didn't set flywheel dowel pin correctly and the dowel pin ate the bellhousing.

S54 bellhousing/S53 box combo = blowed up (after a year)

S54 3rd gear synchro toast... going to rebuild soon.

donteatbugs
04-09-2009, 04:29 PM
e153- lost 2nd gear syncro


edit, this is the awd version, it still applies though

usp45
04-09-2009, 04:33 PM
sounding like it doesn't take much to kill the s53/54. makes me think I want at least an e153 with lsd.

Lagos
04-12-2009, 06:58 PM
sounding like it doesn't take much to kill the s53/54. makes me think I want at least an e153 with lsd.


If your plan is for 350hp and lots of abuse, then go with the e153. If your plan is to do a basic swap and drive it on the street, the s53/54 will be fine.

19celica90
04-13-2009, 03:14 AM
I have a s53 with 103k on my celica. It saw 98k on a 5sfe and 5k on my 3sgte. No problems so far, I don't beat on it, but I definitely give her a workout. I have only changed the trans fluid once when I swapped for my 3sgte. I think the s53/4 is fine like Lagos said for sub 350hp, just look at presure2 and supershannon on 6gc.

joe's gt
04-13-2009, 03:40 AM
If your plan is for 350hp and lots of abuse, then go with the e153. If your plan is to do a basic swap and drive it on the street, the s53/54 will be fine.


^^ Troof. Works fine as long as you don't beat the crap out of it. Very short ratios tho.

Mafix
04-16-2009, 07:07 PM
3sgte motor
1 s53 detonated all syncros
2 s53 blew a hole through the bell housing
3 s53 in garage
4 s54 in garage
5 e153awd in garage
6 s53 updated syncros, driven the hell out of it, haven't broken yet with several 5K launches on competition tires at 9psi, non lsd

usp45
04-24-2009, 08:11 PM
3sgte motor
s53 updated syncros, driven the hell out of it, haven't broken yet with several 5K launches on competition tires at 9psi, non lsd



Hmmm...

Impresive...

Lsd should add some overall strength too? I know it would with a rwd diff, so it shouldn't be any different with a tranaxle, right?

I'm not looking to build a dedicated drag car, but she would definatly see some 1/4 mile abuse... I'd shit my pants if I could build a high twelve canyon carver out of my gts.

Thoughts?

KoreanJoey
04-25-2009, 04:58 AM
Generally no, LSD adds more stress as it allows more power to be transmitted. BUT you'll probably grenade the CV axles first.

usp45
04-25-2009, 03:28 PM
^
I guess I was just thinking the lsd keeps 100% of the power from going to one wheel, but that wheel is gonna be spinning too hard to put the stress back into the drivetrain. So that theory is busted.

I'm thinkin It might be smart to install a scatter shield on the driver floor board. Thats alot of rotating potential shrapnel right next to the legs.

I'm just trying to plan out this car and my goals. I figure the limits of readily available drivetrain parts is a good place to start when setting goals. after all what good is 1000 hp if you can't get the traction or if you do get traction everything grenades.

Thus far this is what I'm planning. e153 possibly rebuilt, either a quaife or kaaz lsd, and possible cryo treatment of the cv's and axles unless I come across a reasonable aftermarket solution.

vip09
04-26-2009, 04:08 PM
I've ruined the synchros on three C60 transmissions and one E153 transmission. They don't want to run 14.7's but I make em!