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Ryan
01-07-2009, 02:07 AM
Okay, I have been thinking about getting a piggyback, such as an SAFC or an e-manage, or something similar. I have been hearing mixed results from different people, and I was wanting some opinions on this.

What are some pros and cons of different piggybacks?

What are you using, or what would you recommend?

What are the pros and cons of using a piggyback setup?

KoreanJoey
01-07-2009, 02:13 AM
SAFC is just for fuel, E-manage is capable of substantially more.

I know 1slo is running the MAP-ECU2, and likes that system.

Ryan
01-07-2009, 02:18 AM
I was looking around, and found that for used systems, they are about the same price.

How do you hook up the e-manage? Does it have the screen like the safc?

Ryan
01-07-2009, 05:24 AM
Anybody else?

KoreanJoey
01-07-2009, 06:38 AM
No screen, plugs into a pc or runs on preset map IIRC.

Ryan
01-07-2009, 06:50 AM
So I could hook it up to my laptop, and tune from it?

Hmm.. that sounds like it would be pretty easy..

lburner
01-07-2009, 07:08 AM
U can use the e-01 as a display/logger for the e-manage Blue & Utimate then u will have a nice boost controller too. I dont know how much u want to spend or how far your going with your piggyback so tell us what u want out on one.

all around the e-manage utimate is the best bang for your buck.

ill be runing a hks f-con this summer im ma have to tune it mysafe no one around my parts know how to tune it.

KoreanJoey
01-07-2009, 07:09 AM
Um... I'm pretty sure it has a baseline to start from. BUT since you're asking all these questions I'd say you should so a lot more reading and researching before trying to tune yourself.

Great resource on tuning is the megasquirt (A DIY standalone ECU) forums.

http://www.msefi.com/index.php

Ryan
01-07-2009, 07:13 AM
Well, it isnt like I am boosted or anything, I just want something I can tweak a few things with, and keep an eye on stuff.. Eventually I am planning a mild build, and I would like to have one now, and get a bit more acquainted with it.

As it is now, I dont have a whole lot done, but it would be nice to see what kind of readings I am getting, and if I can pull a little more power out of my engine.

KoreanJoey
01-07-2009, 07:16 AM
Remember, the factory ECUs are tuned for safety. You can usually make more power by leaning out the fuel maps just a bit but you are running a higher risk of detonation.

Ryan
01-07-2009, 07:22 AM
Well, for my situation as it is right now, would an SAFC be better then?

lburner
01-07-2009, 07:28 AM
o i been dong some reading.

yeah safc would be better

Ryan
01-07-2009, 07:36 AM
Also, would I have to get a wideband o2 with the safc?

KoreanJoey
01-07-2009, 07:36 AM
SAFC limits what you can do, limiting what you do at your experience level is probably good, less chance of getting yourself into trouble.

KoreanJoey
01-07-2009, 07:36 AM
You should ALWAYS have a wideband O2 when tuning, doesn't matter how much or how little.

Ryan
01-07-2009, 07:37 AM
Thanks joey.

I was just wanting some more info and input from those with more experience with this type of stuff...

I appreciate the help guys.

Ryan
01-07-2009, 07:41 AM
Would something like This (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-BOSCH-O2-REPLACEMENT-SENSOR-FOR-UEGO-GUAGE-WIDEBAND_W0QQitemZ260330068748QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM otors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2603300 68748&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318) work ok?

presure2
01-07-2009, 11:47 AM
get and SAFC II or SAFC neo.
it will get your feet wet with tuning, without going over your head with it.
and yes, get a wideband o2 first, unless you have a dyno local to you that you can tune on, that can log your a/f (thats acutally a better, safer way.)

Ryan
01-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Thanks presure!

Any idea on what 02 sensor to get? is the one I linked any good?

presure2
01-10-2009, 01:09 PM
Thanks presure!

Any idea on what 02 sensor to get? is the one I linked any good?
you cant buy just a sensor, you need to buy a gauge or somthing to be able to know what your a/f is while your driving.
aem makes a nice plug and play unit.

Ryan
01-10-2009, 06:38 PM
Thanks again man!

Sang
01-11-2009, 03:20 AM
Zeitronix ZT2 widebands ftw! :)

lburner
01-11-2009, 07:38 AM
^x2 that

joe's gt
01-12-2009, 01:35 AM
As long as you have a good basemap, you can pretty much tune yourself. HAVE to have a wideband to tune though. I would suggest looking up stuff and researching about tuning a lot on google. That's what I have been doing the past few months and there is a wealth of information. There is so much more to tuning than people think, especially with boosted cars.

Make sure you have a good foundation of knowledge and know exactly what your changing, why your changing it, and what the effects of it will be before actually making any changes.

Ryan
01-12-2009, 03:33 AM
Thanks Joe!!

presure2
01-12-2009, 11:09 AM
Zeitronix ZT2 widebands ftw! :)
hehe thats what i use as well.

if you can afford that, + the display, it is FTW all day.
if not, you need a laptop.

Sang
01-13-2009, 08:28 AM
Don't necessarily need the gauge, especially for tuning sessions. I've found that using the serial to connect to a laptop for datalogging is pretty badass in itself.

We've got them in stock just in case if anyone is interested. I should be picking one for personal use (base model, no gauge) here soon to start doing some crude tuning.

presure2
01-13-2009, 11:49 AM
Don't necessarily need the gauge, especially for tuning sessions. I've found that using the serial to connect to a laptop for datalogging is pretty badass in itself.

We've got them in stock just in case if anyone is interested. I should be picking one for personal use (base model, no gauge) here soon to start doing some crude tuning.
ohh i agree, 100%
but if ya dont have a laptop...or if yours takes a shit..lol(dont ask)

Sang
01-13-2009, 03:22 PM
Ah, that's very true. Lol...i'm about to finish up my undergrad in 4 months...everyone here has a laptop but I forgot that not everyone is in college :p

GTForbes
02-10-2009, 11:11 AM
92-gt, since your car isn't boosted and modified in too huge a way then i'd suggest getting the SAFCII, as it's been said, you won't be in too deep to set it all up, all you need is a wide band and the knowledge of what AFR you are aiming for at what RPM.

the e-manage is the next step you can them alter the timing as well as fueling and also this will support you boosting your car as it allows you to use differant injectors and retard the timing when your boost is coming in.

the next step is the E-Manage Ultimate, i love this piece of kit, it does all of the above and some, you get launch control, ability to alter your rev limit for when you up rate your cams etc. etc. etc......

after that if you really feel the need you can go standalone but to be honest with the e-manage ultimate set up and running as it should there really isn't a need untill you are running massive injectors, i'd say that is the only limitation of any piggy back unit

a_mounty
02-10-2009, 03:53 PM
alright so i got a question for you guys.....

i was working on a friends boosted crx and he was running hondata. i know it wont work for our cars, but how similar is hondata to emanage?
because imo the hondata was super easy to use. as long as you have a basic knowledge of timing and fuel.