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joe's gt
11-29-2008, 08:49 PM
I cracked my head due to a coolant hose bursting. I immediately started looking for a head and someone informed me of a head available at ATS. So I contacted them and talked to Aaron who said he had a head available for me. His exact words were that it "had a recent valve job and was ready to bolt right on." This is what I received:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/92ct-27gt/IMG_0353.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/92ct-27gt/IMG_0349.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/92ct-27gt/IMG_0356.jpg

I mistakenly thought this was a head with a fresh valve job so I was quite disappointed. I realize now that a "recent valve job" meant a used head. That was a misunderstanding. I admit that.

Upon cleaning I discovered badly pitted valves:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/92ct-27gt/IMG_0371.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/92ct-27gt/IMG_0373.jpg

Aaron actually told me that these valves were fine and the head was USABLE AS IS.



Hey Aaron, here are some pics of more pitted valves. Mostly the one on the right. Just want to know if these are usable?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b...gt/IMG_0373.jpg



That is fine. They don't seal or flow on that side.

Aaron


And again:


It wasn't perfect and it wasn't reconditioned by ATS, but it was EXACTLY what you asked and paid for: USEABLE.

Every other member on this board told me the head needed to be rebuilt. The fact that he would actually allow me to believe that this is OK to put back on my car is actually just flat out insulting to me and completely wrong. These valves may last a year, may last a month, may not even last a day, who knows, but this is in no way acceptable to use as is.

Not only that, but I was insulted in the process


If you wanted a fully reconditioned head then you should have asked for one and paid for one. Instead you asked for the cheapest solution possible and now you are whining because it's not new or perfect.

I never asked for perfect or cheapest, I asked for a useable, ready to bolt on head. Cheapest doesn't involve buying a head for 300 then paying that again to rebuild it.


Bottom line:
I paid for a used fully functional head that was ready to bolt right on per Aaron's exact words. Not only was it not ready to bolt on, but I have to get it completely rebuilt which is going to cost the price of the head itself.

And the worst part:
He REFUSED to compensate me for the extra cost involved in rebuilding it despite the fact that he misrepresented the head in the first place.

I'll admit this is the first time i've taken a head off and done a purchase of this magnitude. As a result, my lack of experience was maliciously taken advantage of and has caused an enormous inconvenience and heartache. Unfortunately the transaction was done over the phone, so I have no written evidence. I also did not receive an invoice or receipt for the transaction.

I will never do business with ATS again and advise everyone not to as well if u want to avoid the horrible experience that I have gone through.

Trance4c
11-29-2008, 09:09 PM
Again, how much was the purchase of this used head?

burnyd
11-29-2008, 09:14 PM
Again, how much was the purchase of this used head?


it was 5 dollars, why would it matter? if he was gaurenteed a head that would bolt right on and work that day then who cares what he paid, I dont think it has to do with the money its more likely the principle.

Ryan
11-29-2008, 09:35 PM
I think he said he paid $375 or somewhere near that.... You could get one from a junkyard in just as good condition for a fraction of that if you could find one, and it would leave you extra money to have it rebuilt...

ciento44
11-29-2008, 10:08 PM
Price has NOTHING to do with anything in this scenario. He was promised a head in bolt on ready to use condition. He didn't receive it, and the communication throughout the transaction was very un-professional in my opinion at least.

Ryan
11-29-2008, 10:11 PM
^true, I understand that for sure.

I would think that aaron would want to keep his reputation clean...

burnyd
11-29-2008, 10:16 PM
wow 375 are you serious!?!?!? I can pull my head off my motor that is blown(bottom end) And check it out to see what is wrong with it if you are really interested and you still need a head I can sell it to you for 1/3 of that price. Ill have to check it out first though.

joe's gt
11-30-2008, 02:12 AM
i paid $315.

Ryan
11-30-2008, 02:31 AM
Close enough..lol.

joe's gt
11-30-2008, 04:52 AM
So Aaron made it right. He compensated me for rebuilding the head so all is well. Although I urged u not to buy from ATS, but after Aaron did the honorable thing, I think u can feel confidence in purchasing from ATS and know they will do the right thing if something is wrong.

Smaay
12-10-2008, 03:35 PM
not to rip on ATS because i dont have any ill feling towards them, but let shops take this as a warning, the internet will hurt your reputation. a few years ago i was totally wronged by XS Engineering in CA. after posting the story on NC.org they never sold another celica turbo kit. all they had to do was rebuild the turbo they destroyed. but no, so they opened the wrath.

http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=116600&highlight=nightmare

http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=118111&highlight=nightmare