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Dr Tweak
10-31-2008, 02:11 AM
I was thinking this over today and thought that it would be a cool discussion to post up. I'm getting a little concerned about the future of engine swaps. It seems like Toyota hasn't been building ANYTHING high-performance in the last few years. I love our Celicas, but they're coming up on 10 years old for the newest '99 model now. 2nd gen 3SGTE engines are minimum 15-16 years old...

I've been looking at the newer models trying to think of what the next batch of engine swapping is going to be. The 7th gen Celica is already out of production and hasn't gotten a whole lot of love. Of course the 2ZZ is a common swap but that engine never really took real well. 3SGTE into a 7th gen is something I'd like to do some more of, but still, the 3S is getting older. I guess the tC is the next platform to look at, but what to swap into it??? There's practically nothing out there for decent Toyota engines, the 2AZ only makes 160hp. I've sort of been looking at the 300hp 2GR-FSE but it's scary... lots of modern electronics to work around, immobilizer, etc.

2ZZ in a Yaris might be interesting...

Discuss! :burn:

-Doc

Ryan
10-31-2008, 02:14 AM
I would love to see that!!!

burnyd
10-31-2008, 02:19 AM
yah 2gr would be pretty cool but what all cars does that come in?

I was reading in car and driver about that motor in a 5speed 4 door camry goes 14.3.. I could only image with bolt ons in a celica for a stock swap how fast it would go.. assuming its good for a e15x bell housing.... but being that its so new Im assuming the wiring loom is going to be like wtf hard/

METDeath
10-31-2008, 02:20 AM
The 275 HP V6 in the Sienna would be a fun little motor to put in some RWD car if you can fit it. I'd actually kind of like to put something like that in a 1st gen... that or just break down and put an LS1 in it...

Murgatroy
10-31-2008, 02:21 AM
I like the 2ZZ Yaris idea.

Dr Tweak
10-31-2008, 02:23 AM
There's a few 2GR engines out there but the one I'm thinking of is the 311hp version in the IS350.

Fuelish
10-31-2008, 03:01 AM
2ZZ in a Yaris might be interesting...

How about a 2zz in a (future) iQ ???(likely impossible fit...heh)

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/2010-toyota-iq-2.jpg

vip09
10-31-2008, 03:02 AM
2ZZ in a Yaris would be interesting.

3S-GTE in a 7th gen celica = FAIL. The engine is way too heavy. Not to mention the 2ZZ can make just as much power as the 3S-GTE. It's put down over 400whp on stock internals, just like the 3S. There's no reason to swap a 3S-GTE into that car.

Cavanagh
10-31-2008, 03:22 AM
Ill send you my MR2, do what you can with it. :D

MrWOT
10-31-2008, 04:20 AM
Put a 1GR with the factory optional blower in a 165

lburner
10-31-2008, 04:40 AM
2ZZ in a Yaris would be interesting.

3S-GTE in a 7th gen celica = FAIL. The engine is way too heavy. Not to mention the 2ZZ can make just as much power as the 3S-GTE. It's put down over 400whp on stock internals, just like the 3S. There's no reason to swap a 3S-GTE into that car.

its been done a number of times. two of them was in the turbo mag lastyear

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212745

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFKGvwCZCs0

usp45
10-31-2008, 05:50 AM
I want a turbo'd, hybrid synergy drive, celica swap. the electric motor could give off boost torque, until the giant turbo spools.

85gtsblackman
10-31-2008, 05:55 AM
im not really limited on swaps, as long as toyota makes trucks and suv's :wiggle:

KoreanJoey
10-31-2008, 06:11 AM
2GR would make a good swap for a TC, especially since the Camry and Tc both share the 2AZ I'd think it'd be easier. 280HP Tc would be a blast. Shit, even the TRD supercharger only brings the 2AZ to 200HP.

And yeah 2GR-FSE would be interesting but direct injection is something completely new for toyota and I haven't the slightest clue about tuning.

CriScO
10-31-2008, 07:13 AM
And yeah 2GR-FSE would be interesting but direct injection is something completely new for toyota and I haven't the slightest clue about tuning.
Not quite, the 3S-FSE came out in 98. Rare and not available in the US, but not really new.

I wanna jam a 3UR-FE in something. :)

85gtsblackman
10-31-2008, 07:17 AM
hmm should be rwd

Toyota_Todd
10-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Gotta a local guy doing the 3.5 Avalon swap into his 94 turbo MR2. He has a writeup started over on MR2OC with his progress. I thought he was crazy when he came in with this idea, but he is showing me that it can be done. He writes programs for the automotive market and has a great understanding of how the complex issues of todays technology works and how to get around them.


Somthing new from BLITZ!!! They have come out with a throttle controller that gets around most drive by wire systems. This will make swaps easier as well.

Here are Marc's links to his post on MR2OC. You have to be signed in to read them!

http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=320129

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=322927

hobbie2k
11-01-2008, 04:17 PM
I like the 2zz Yaris idea. I've been pushing for a 2.5L 2 door Versa sport on the Nissan end. I think a 2GR AWD Matrix would be awesome (Matrix is my current fave Toyota), if a little nose-heavy.

donteatbugs
11-04-2008, 08:10 PM
the tc would be awesome with any v6 but it would need lsd after that for sure.

Dr Tweak
11-07-2008, 12:48 AM
We carry the Quaife LSD for that tranny, and yeah, that would be nice.

-Doc

Murgatroy
11-07-2008, 12:52 AM
What about the 1MZFE into a T Chassis Celica, how fluent are we with that swap at this point? I can only think of 3 running swaps off the top of my head.

Cavanagh
11-07-2008, 02:17 AM
We should be looking into V6 motors the most i think. They are current, and have a good stock output and reliablity.

KoreanJoey
11-07-2008, 02:18 AM
I know it's more common in MR2s... don't know if that'd be easier or harder to work on than an MR2T... because, those are a bitch.

celica9303
11-08-2008, 02:25 AM
Agreed^

MrWOT
11-08-2008, 06:17 AM
I would also support a 2GR into a 1G celica... That would also involve a great amount of badassedness. Yeah, that's a word now.

KoreanJoey
11-09-2008, 01:16 AM
Uh... 1GR would be easier as it's already set up for RWD... however, after having done a couple of warranty front timing cover reseals... yeah... EFF that.

Cavanagh
11-10-2008, 04:18 AM
Wouldnt a 5VZ be just as badass in a 1st gen? I think so!

usp45
11-10-2008, 01:20 PM
3mz in a 4th gen, and a 1uz in a 3rd gen, for me please.

usp45
11-10-2008, 01:28 PM
I would love to swap a toyota pickup with a 2L-T. not many 2L-T's in the states unfortunately.

ciento44
11-10-2008, 02:37 PM
I vote for this as being the best possible outcome of this discussion:

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/factory-upgrade/

Dr Tweak
11-10-2008, 09:21 PM
I would love to swap a toyota pickup with a 2L-T. not many 2L-T's in the states unfortunately.

We've been wiring up a lot of 1KZTE swap (3.0 Turbo Diesel), they are very cool, much nicer than the 2LT too:

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/wiring/kzn185a.jpg

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/wiring/kzn185d.jpg

-Doc

grayscale
11-10-2008, 09:52 PM
To hell with all that, drop anything that goes fast into a Paseo. Starting right at 2k lbs, you could shed some more weight, do some susp. work and that bastard would scream.

But I digress, this is not in the future, or in the true nature of the topic. So, in that direction, I'm sorry, but there is very little to get excited about. I think Toyota's future will still be it's vintage.:)

usp45
11-10-2008, 10:12 PM
We've been wiring up a lot of 1KZTE swap (3.0 Turbo Diesel), they are very cool, much nicer than the 2LT too:


-Doc


oooh those are awesome. I really want a tacoma with a 1KZTE. That would rip!

usp45
11-10-2008, 10:24 PM
Who really knows what the future beyond 2015 2020 will be. I'm hyped about some hybrid technology.

sweet cocepts
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2004/11/top_five_toyota.php