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Halfspec
10-27-2008, 05:59 AM
Hello All,

I'm new here, but I'm a longtime member of your sister site mr2oc.com.

My brother's killed his 5th Gen's engine on on a trip to Florida a few months ago (major knocking and smoke). Long story short, my Dad towed him to their house and he bought a temporary beater. Now I haven't looked at his car yet, but in the interest of time, I'm wanting to just drop in a 5AFE and call it quits. My question is related to what generation of the 4AFE my brother has. His car is a 93 STX, which I know has a 4AFE, but there seems to be some mixed information out there on when the engines were actually upgraded to 2nd generation status. Here is a picture of my brother's engine:

http://www.halfspec.com/downloads/4afe.jpg

Can anyone tell me what generation this 4AFE is?

Also, Like I said, I'm planning on swapping a JDM 5AFE engine into the car. From the limited threads I've read on the subject it's a direct swap both physically and electrically. Anyone know if that's 100% true?

I appreciate any help!
Thanks!
Lane

85gtsblackman
10-27-2008, 07:15 AM
1st gen 4afe

used from 87-93

87-92 in the corolla/prizm
90-93 in the celica

5afe will work but its a 1.5


id just get another 4a or use a 7afe bottom end if u want a lil more ommfph

ST185
10-27-2008, 07:39 AM
Just out of curiousity on my 4AFE instead of saying EFI it says EFI-S. So what does that mean?

DaneDog311
10-27-2008, 06:46 PM
That's an early 4afe... the injectors are on the intake... the late models 4a and 5a have the injectors on the head... the 5afe if you get an early model will drop right in... use your valve cover, distrubuter, alternator, intake manifold, and exhaust... etc... it all bolts right up... Only problem... NO PARTS IN THE STATES FOR THIS ENGINE... I did this in a 93 Celica ST (not in my sig) and It has a stretched rod and I can't for the life of me find out if it uses the same connecting rod as the 4afe... The 5afe and 4afe seem almost indentical just a little small pistons... Hell even the Cams appeared the same... car ran just as good as when it had the 4afe in it... no real noticeable difference to me.... g/f ran the poor thing low on oil and KABOOM... but easy as pie swap as the motors are vertical mount unlike the gt's on an angle and plenty of room to work... pull the motor and trans it's easier... just angle the closer to the passenger fender... hope this helps

Halfspec
10-27-2008, 11:09 PM
85gtsblackman: Thank you that's exactly what I needed :)

DaneDog311: Wow! Thanks for the extra info. I knew it was going to be hard to find parts if the 5AFE starts acting up, but since the 4AFE was such a trooper for 200k + miles I'm hoping the internals on the 5AFE would be ok for the next couple 100k's :)

Thanks for the help!
Lane

Halfspec
10-27-2008, 11:22 PM
I did have one question I thought of as I was eyeballing a 5AFE on ebay... External stuff is going to be the same as 4AFE externals isn't it? I mean a 4AFE Timing belt and clutch should fit on a 5AFE right?

Thanks
Lane

DaneDog311
10-28-2008, 06:38 PM
yeppers... it's identical... i think the only real difference was the intake system which lacked the egr.... same flywheel and timing components... I used a new belt on mine... for a 4afe of course

DaneDog311
10-28-2008, 06:39 PM
if your really gonna do it... tell me where you live... i can prolly find a close importer for you cheaper then ebay... I paid 200 for mine and 125 shipping... so 325 all together...

Halfspec
10-29-2008, 12:07 AM
DaneDog311: I have to thank you again for being so helpful!!! Thank You!!! The engine would be delivered to Panama City, FL 32405 if you have the time to find me another importer. Prices on ebay are close to $500 shipped. I would appreciate anything you could do for me :D

Thanks again!
Lane

DaneDog311
10-29-2008, 07:20 PM
http://jdmengineoutlet.com/EngineStore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=9

$280 dollars in Hollywood, FL don't know how close to you that is...

DaneDog311
10-29-2008, 07:25 PM
Oh EFI is Electronic Fuel Injection... I would assume the S just means Sequential not sure though...

Halfspec
10-30-2008, 06:58 PM
DaneDog311: Thank you so much! Hollywood is an 8 hour drive from Panama City, but I'll give them a ring and see what they can do for shipping :)

I really appreciate the help!
Lane

DaneDog311
10-30-2008, 11:38 PM
How far is Georgia from you? is that closer?

call these guys and check prices... they can get them but not sure on prices

Phone : (770) 416-1665
NAD AUTO
2005 Center Place
Norcross, Georgia 30093

85gtsblackman
10-31-2008, 06:48 PM
wanna find me a cheap 22r or 222re, has to be after 85, i could use a spare engine

DaneDog311
10-31-2008, 07:36 PM
dude a few hundred bucks in PA... it's a whole car with no interior... i'll get you the link...

DaneDog311
10-31-2008, 07:36 PM
http://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/895350353.html try this its 350