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Shadowlife25
09-05-2008, 02:33 AM
I found this somewhere on the MR2OC.



I thought it was quite brilliant, however I'm not sure how we could go about this in a Celica. Most of us have the sunroof controls and the courtesy lights in this spot, so I wonder if this is an option?

I was interested mainly because I have an AVCR, but I figured those of us that use any of the smaller after-market add-on's could benefit from this.
It wouldn't really be ideal for actual gauges, but for items like turbo timers and boost controllers, it should work well. Mainly for electronics of the "set and forget" variety.

So opinions? Anyone have one of these MR2 "pods" that they could try in a Celica, or have a link for me to purchase one for testing?
-Mario

Ryan
09-05-2008, 02:42 AM
i found one...

http://www.xtremediesel.com/autometeredgeproductsattitudeoverheadmountdodge130 02.aspx

i wouldnt mind finding something like that and put a radar detector in it that way its hidden...

Shadowlife25
09-05-2008, 03:01 AM
That would be way too bulky for Celica interior. Also that one is like $60 after shipping. If anyone knows of where to find a vendor with the one pictured here, that would rock. I think it would be more cost effective, and I wouldn't feel bad modding it. ;)

Ryan
09-05-2008, 03:05 AM
you could try and make one...i dont think it would be too hard..

Ryan
09-05-2008, 03:27 AM
you could modify something like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Auto-Meter18016-Gauge-Pod-Overhead-Console-Dual-2-1-16_W0QQitemZ330266494325QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p45 06.m20.l1116

cms-gt4
09-05-2008, 03:44 AM
It seems like an alright idea. If you made one yourself, I bet you could make a spot to relocate the sunroof buttons on it.

Ryan
09-05-2008, 03:45 AM
^ that would be kickass.. i might look into fabbing something up tomorrow.

Ghosty
09-05-2008, 03:56 AM
Yeah nobody is saying you can't relocate your sunroof buttons.

Hell you could even splurge and get some badass LED-lighted super-duper switches for it.

dups90gt
09-05-2008, 03:57 AM
I could fab one out of fiberglass but someone has to send me the dimensions that they want and the space required inside the pod as well as placement. I have both cars with and without a sunroof so shoot me your ideas and I'll put it together. Shadowlife I guess you have to fit it so Ill try and build it to spec but you gotta finish it if ever.

Shadowlife25
09-05-2008, 05:54 AM
Glad we got a few fellas interested in this! :)

To clarify: This is meant to house an AVCR or turbo timer or EBC. Not actual gauges.
The way it would sit, I feel it would be too large a movement of the eye between the forward driving position with eyes on the road and looking up to actually read something here. Just my opinion though.

I think I may head to the wrecking yard this weekend and pull an assembly so I can use it to build onto. Then we can fab up a new piece.


-Mario
If you fellas have any ideas or variations on this, please throw 'em in! :D

burnyd
09-05-2008, 05:56 AM
omg thats billy bad ass, I have to do that.

celica91gts
09-05-2008, 07:16 AM
dude. this would be sick. but how would you go about installing this? id hate to drill holes through the roof.

Shadowlife25
09-05-2008, 07:29 AM
That's why I need to pull an assembly and see where the exact mounting points are. I know for sure there is one screw hole that is already there, but if there were 3 points to secure it, that would be perfect. I have a good working relationship with a master machinist, so if it's a viable design, I may have it made in sheetmetal or aluminum to accommodate the moving of the controls and lighting.

dups90gt
09-05-2008, 02:01 PM
Nice, if you can make a brace shoot me a pic and ill fab a model and mail it to you.

Shadowlife25
09-05-2008, 02:03 PM
Sounds good man. :)

Ryan
09-05-2008, 05:29 PM
my guess is that its held up by industrial velcro or something...

dups90gt
09-05-2008, 07:09 PM
Velcro is not good, the glue gets soft when your cars parked under the sun for too long... then it falls off. Tried it with my GPS and Home Depot Industrial Velcro Heavy Duty stuff.

Ryan
09-05-2008, 08:15 PM
hmmm....bondo the shit outta it...lol.jk. but i would be kinda weary of putting screws in..idk...

cms-gt4
09-05-2008, 08:28 PM
If you can see metal, why not just weld a couple of tabs you can screw the pod into? That way its easy to remove and change things out.

I have interest in this cause I want a new way to mount my radar detector and maybe wire it into the sunroof power source.

dups90gt
09-05-2008, 10:01 PM
How may would be interested in getting one of these if I made it? I can use vaccuform and make a plastic mold if there are more then 10 if not I'll make them by hand out of fiberglass?

Ryan
09-05-2008, 10:03 PM
If you can see metal, why not just weld a couple of tabs you can screw the pod into? That way its easy to remove and change things out.

I have interest in this cause I want a new way to mount my radar detector and maybe wire it into the sunroof power source.

thats what i was thinking...

dups-how much would this cost?

Shadowlife25
09-05-2008, 10:43 PM
Did you just see my thread on putting together a vacu-former? :squint:
Ah well :shrug: such is what happens when one posts their ideas on teh internetz.

I think vacuum forming is the better option. Repeatable results, light weight, uniform finish and wall thickness as well as less time to duplicate. It's much easier to get ABS in grey or black than it is to fab from fiberglass then still having to prime and paint. Once a buck is made, it would only be potentially a minute between pulls for production runs even with a wall thickness up to .25".

Either way, I'm still gonna work on this and figure out mounting points and control relocation.

My main goal with this is still to provide a mounting alternative for non-vital electronics. I may even go so far as relocating the rear view mirror to the windshield to provide a bit more space.

Ryan
09-05-2008, 10:47 PM
thats an idea...i would use it for a radar detector that way it would be less visible to teh baconz and still detect there asses! lol

dups90gt
09-06-2008, 01:30 AM
Im not sure how much it would cost but I don't think it would cost more then $20 to make. Shadowlife are you already setup for vaccuforming? its a small piece so it should fit in an oven easy. I didnt see your article I helped my buddy make a stormtrooper costume one time and we used vaccuform to make the molds, it was cool.

dups90gt
09-06-2008, 01:32 AM
it just that vaccufomring is so involved... there's so much prep work.

Ryan
09-06-2008, 02:18 AM
i would be in for sure

cms-gt4
09-06-2008, 03:14 AM
If people are going to make these, then they should also make affordable versions of the Blitz, HKS, or Apexi DIN panel. It has a spot for a boost gauge and two 1/4 DIN controllers.

Shadowlife25
09-06-2008, 07:21 AM
^^ That was the basic idea. ;)

Dups : Send me a Pm and we'll come up with a plan of attack. I'm a bit scattered at the moment. :)

-Mario

Shadowlife25
09-06-2008, 08:02 AM
Ok, some thoughts :)

Vacuum forming prep is longer, but once you have a good solid mold(buck) you get the same result each time. This is more productive as well as a totally uniform outcome each time.

I also had another idea: how about a gauge plate for the glove box? Yes, no...?

Post your thoughts. :)

celica91gts
09-06-2008, 08:09 AM
im in for this idea. if we need funding for this let me know. i'll try my best to help out.

dups90gt
09-06-2008, 03:18 PM
Ok, i need someone to verify my measurements, I put a lip on the back so we have the option to mount the stock sunroof controls and light under the pod. This would solve the problem of the manual crank for the sunroof control. I also took apart my sunroof controls and found a metal brace there , also there were 2 screws which I left holes for on the pod. Ill try and get a paper diagram print out that you can cut out so someone can test fit with whatever device in there (radar, avcr, etc...)http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii216/fmaramara/Pod1.jpg

sorry its metric.. Im Canadian..

Ryan
09-06-2008, 07:21 PM
lol. canadian ftw! lol

lburner
09-06-2008, 08:59 PM
when i get the time ill do mind like this http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1487387 and go from there

Shadowlife25
09-06-2008, 09:41 PM
Dups, we need to alter the design *slightly* :)

I'll contact you this evening.

-Mario

dups90gt
09-07-2008, 03:59 AM
ok let me know. Im open to a redesign if need me. Its cool.

dups90gt
09-07-2008, 04:03 AM
when i get the time ill do mind like this http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1487387 and go from there

http://tinypic.com/k02bv4.jpg

Thats cool too! Simple yet effective.

celica91gts
09-07-2008, 10:25 AM
its simple and neat. but i like the design that we're coming up with better because it will look molded into the ceiling.

dups90gt
09-08-2008, 04:00 PM
Someone send me the deminsions of the avcr... or whatever your going to put in there so I can make a model! I don't have a sunroof on my 185 so I still have to think of a way to mount that on non sunroof celicas.

Shadowlife25
09-10-2008, 09:44 PM
I have the dimensions we need, as well as a few others. I have a hand drawn model, but no way to digitize it at the present time. I also finished the bracket design I was working on. It will provide a "skeleton" that still allows direct mounting of the factory control hardware. Gonna call my friend at the machine shop tomorrow and see if he'll make me a quick prototype. Once I finalize the bracket, I'll have another made to send you for the pod prototype.

AVCR is H-52mm W-104mm (I'll double check later on the W)

Shadowlife25
09-10-2008, 09:47 PM
Another nifty thing, is that the dimensions of the factory opening/controls allow for use of the following configurations:

AVC-R + 52mm gauge
3x 52mm gauges
2x double stacked 70mm x 20mm units (Turbo Timer), + 1 52mm gauge

Ryan
09-10-2008, 10:27 PM
or a nice location for our best friend, the radar detector..lol

VikingJZ
09-10-2008, 10:37 PM
^You have to have the receiver dome exposed. In that small of a space it would be hard to do. Where I have mine (Right side of the rear-view mirror, hard wired) is the best place. For even better concealment, do a strip of light tint on the windshield to hide it. I'm working on a kill switch for in case I get pulled over I don't have to have reach up and grab it or turn it off.

Ryan
09-10-2008, 10:47 PM
ya but if you leave the front of the pod open and center it, it will work fine..

dups90gt
09-11-2008, 01:00 AM
Thanks for the dimensions! Now what angle do you guys want it at? Some one grab your little bros protractor and let me know. The Radar is cool but its illegal in Canada. Im not sure what the penalty is but I think it involves those mounties, their night sticks and a few horses and some KY Lube..

celica91gts
09-11-2008, 01:17 AM
i think it would be awesome if the safc was pointed downwards at about a 45 degree angle

Ryan
09-11-2008, 01:29 AM
how about you leave the front of the pocket with a 45* angle on the face pointing downward that way it would be easy for people to mount it flush and leave many other options available...
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t138/93-mx-3/Untitled.jpg

kinda like that..(sorry i suck at drawing on paint)

dups90gt
09-11-2008, 01:57 AM
you sure? 45' is really sharp.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii216/fmaramara/angle.jpg

Ryan
09-11-2008, 02:08 AM
it looks ok...maybe slightly less....

Blackcloud
09-11-2008, 03:54 AM
the only thing that would suck about having your gauges up there is that its kinda out of the way to look at them.

Shadowlife25
09-11-2008, 04:18 AM
the only thing that would suck about having your gauges up there is that its kinda out of the way to look at them.

Which brings us back to exactly why it should be non essential electronics. Yes a radar detector would work fine with the windshield side open.
No a 45deg will not work. Even 20deg might be a stretch. Remember that gauges have depth too.

dups90gt
09-11-2008, 05:04 AM
yup.

Blackcloud
09-11-2008, 05:16 AM
well i didnt read the entire thread. so what gauges are you guys talking about putting up there?

Shadowlife25
09-11-2008, 05:58 AM
well i didnt read the entire thread. so what gauges are you guys talking about putting up there?

AVC-R + 52mm gauge
3x 52mm gauges
2x double stacked 70mm x 20mm units (Turbo Timer), + 1 52mm gauge

Shadowlife25
09-11-2008, 10:40 PM
UPDATE:

I have a nearly finalized bracket design ready. Just polishing it up.

I contacted the machine shop this morning and they are interested in working on the prototype and possible production run. Soon as my technical drawings and dimensions and multiple views are done, the owner said he could CNC me a prototype over the weekend. He also recommended me to a company that prototypes plastics and Carbon Fiber for his race applications. He said that along with his recommendation, they would cut me a price break since he has had so much work done by them.

So, I suppose the question remains:

How serious are you fellas about having this done? I've made the design and contacted all the companies necessary to make this a reality, but I will not pursue it if there is no interest. (See CASH)

This will be bolt in and professionally made high quality stuff.

-Mario

Shadowlife25
09-11-2008, 11:52 PM
Either way, I'm gonna have one made for myself.

celica91gts
09-12-2008, 12:22 AM
count me in.

Shadowlife25
09-12-2008, 12:23 AM
Ok, will do.

Once I get concrete prices on this, I'll start a GB thread and get the ball rolling. :)

Shadowlife25
09-12-2008, 12:29 AM
If people are going to make these, then they should also make affordable versions of the Blitz, HKS, or Apexi DIN panel. It has a spot for a boost gauge and two 1/4 DIN controllers.


Do you have dimensions for any of this stuff?

Ryan
09-12-2008, 02:10 AM
how much we looking at?

cms-gt4
09-12-2008, 03:09 AM
Do you have dimensions for any of this stuff?


Yes and no.

The panel is a standard DIN size. So you could use a DIN block off plate for the base.

Then of course there just needs to be a hole drilled for the gauge. The hard part is the accessories.

See link.

http://www.omega-sw.com/stealth/evc-vpc-1.jpg

Shadowlife25
09-12-2008, 05:59 AM
how much we looking at?

Not sure on a total price yet. That's why I said I'd let everyone know once I did. ;)

Shadowlife25
09-12-2008, 06:01 AM
Yes and no.

The panel is a standard DIN size. So you could use a DIN block off plate for the base.

Then of course there just needs to be a hole drilled for the gauge. The hard part is the accessories.

See link.

http://www.omega-sw.com/stealth/evc-vpc-1.jpg

I know what the DIN standard is. I don't know how WIDE the gauges are.
Oh, that link is no good btw. Have any picture examples you could post here in the thread?

dups90gt
09-12-2008, 02:13 PM
I don't have a sunroof! but I want to help.. keep me updated.

Ryan
09-12-2008, 05:22 PM
thank you mario:)..id probably be in

cms-gt4
09-12-2008, 07:13 PM
http://www.hksusa.com/images_products/1332.jpg

http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=660&rsku=0

ciento44
09-12-2008, 07:18 PM
I have to think about this.....

But more than likely, would be in.

Any possibility of just getting a metal one? I won't have fabric up there, and no CF in my interior. If not, it's cool, i'll live. :hehe:

Shadowlife25
09-12-2008, 09:43 PM
Ok fells, another update! :D

I have just finalized the dimensions for the bracket assembly. So far it is designed for the sunroof model. I need to get out to the yard and experiment on a coupe. Either way the bracket assembly can be simply screwed in to either the sunroof model mount location, or directly into the headliner itself. So it works either way. ;)

I'll be dropping the schematics off at the machine shop on Monday.

Ben:
The pod section of this is the second half of the design process. It can most easily (and cheaply) be made of ABS. This will be pretty resistant to heat deformation both due to it's mounting location and the fact that it will have a "skeleton" (the bracket) under it.

cms-gt4:
I can make that no problem. It really would help though to have a concrete number for height and width. Those are not exactly 1/2 DIN (which would be 1") They appear to be about 20mm high (5mm shy of an inch) by about 100mm (4").

I am also planning a Glove-Box insert panel for similar purposes. :)

Let me know what you fellas think.

I will make a poll on this now, so PLEASE VOTE!!!

-Mario

Ryan
09-12-2008, 09:49 PM
im in yo.

ciento44
09-12-2008, 09:50 PM
I'm going to grab some pics this weekend of other ideas that i think may be viable. :)

I'm not personally a fan on glove box inserts because the glove box isn't exactly in my field of view when driving.

Thanks for clearing up the plastic/metal thing. I don't think it'll get hot enough to melt it, just wanted metal for asthetics, but i really don't care THAT much. :D

Shadowlife25
09-12-2008, 09:59 PM
ABS is easily had in white gray and black. I figure it can match most all interiors with those options.

The glove box insert is more for mounting say: EMS/GCC/VPC units and/or a datalogger interface ;).

Ryan
09-12-2008, 10:03 PM
i think itll be jdm tight yo..lol

cms-gt4
09-13-2008, 01:43 AM
Its a shame those who got the molded steering column pods would not loan them out to be molded.

Shadowlife25
09-13-2008, 04:19 AM
I can work on that in the future. One project at a time right? :D

Ryan
09-13-2008, 04:25 AM
yup...i cant wait:)

CriScO
09-17-2008, 01:16 PM
Mario wanted me to bump this thread to let you all know he's still working on it.

He's offline for a few days, he'll update you all soon.

celica91gts
09-18-2008, 01:07 AM
thanks for keeping us updated :bigthumbu

Ryan
09-18-2008, 01:12 AM
sweet! thanks for the update

dups90gt
09-19-2008, 12:18 AM
wow lots of action. haven't been here in a while..

Shadowlife25
09-21-2008, 03:59 AM
I'm using the net at a friends house right now, but I thought I'd pop in :)

Will be hearing about the prototype from the machine shop this week. (this will include when it's ready and how much I owe :( )

See you all soon!

-Mario

Ryan
09-21-2008, 05:56 PM
thanks for the update mario

lburner
09-30-2008, 12:09 AM
this one looks good http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=320750

celica91gts
09-30-2008, 01:04 AM
damnit... im not a member =(. hows the prototype coming along btw mario?

Shadowlife25
09-30-2008, 04:12 AM
Still waiting to hear back from the machine shop. I'll call him again tomorrow. :)

Shadowlife25
10-01-2008, 11:51 PM
Called the machine shop about 5 minutes ago. They said their machinist came in this last week, but they weren't sure if he had built the prototype yet. I was told to call again tomorrow as the owner was presently in the middle of a job. So, another update then. :)

Ryan
10-02-2008, 12:18 AM
Thanks mario!

Shadowlife25
10-02-2008, 12:33 AM
No worries. I really do need a list of definitely interested parties for this though. I'm paying out of pocket for all this at the moment. :)

Here you go, add yourselves to teh list!

1. Shadowlife25

Ryan
10-02-2008, 12:39 AM
+1.
2. 92-gt

Shadowlife25
10-02-2008, 12:45 AM
Definite interest list for pod:

1. Shadowlife25
2. 92-gt
3. CriScO
4. celica91gts
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.


This amount of folks should make things a bit cheaper. :)

-Mario

CriScO
10-02-2008, 12:54 AM
I still gotta look at the hatchback, but I'm sure I could find a use for it regardless. I've never been shy about drilling new holes. :)

1. Shadowlife25
2. 92-gt
3. CriScO

celica91gts
10-02-2008, 01:05 AM
4) celica91gts (i've been a member on here for a long time... but no one really knows my name. my name's nam you guys. pleased to meet you =D)

ciento44
10-02-2008, 12:36 PM
4) celica91gts (i've been a member on here for a long time... but no one really knows my name. my name's nam you guys. pleased to meet you =D)

Yeah.... i finally made the connect as to who you were the other day on Myspace lol....

1. Shadowlife25
2. 92-gt
3. CriScO
4. celica91gts
5. ciento44