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burnyd
08-25-2008, 10:53 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___Toyota-Celica-GT-ELECTRIC-CAR_W0QQitemZ320290431489QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320290431489&_trkparms=39%3A1|65%3A7|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

cms-gt4
08-25-2008, 11:02 PM
That is very interesting. I am surprised he used a transmission. I am pretty sure there are better ways to convert the car, but this guy looks like he took the budget route. I bet with a better motor, drive system and batteries you can get better distance and speed.

burnyd
08-25-2008, 11:24 PM
^^ its just so odd to me I have never seen a person do that before.. I have seen a few s10s that were electric.

Chris
08-25-2008, 11:27 PM
I guess I'm missing the point of it, aside from the 'cool' factor. It doesn't seem all that cost effective, or useful with a range of only 40 miles and a max speed of 55 mph. It might actually be kind of dangerous to drive in a city.

Galcobar
08-26-2008, 12:14 AM
If he's only driving it in the city, then he's perfectly fine with that range and speed. Freeway's not an option, but a slow lane on a highway is fine.

cms-gt4
08-26-2008, 12:27 AM
I think it would be kind of cool to take an alltrac shell and run electric motors on the rear and just have no power to the front. Maybe convert the front and rear brakes to build electric during braking.

extremeskillz
08-26-2008, 03:23 AM
Or keep the orignal alltrac drive train intact and put an high powered electric motor to drive all wheels with regen braking. This setup would require a AC electric motor, 120v battery pack, a high powered controller w/ DC to AC convertor and regen feature built in. All for a cost of 10K. This setup i just proposed can go 60 miles on a charge and do over 80 when done right. You want parts go here http://www.evparts.com. Everything you need to do your own conversion is there.

extremeskillz
08-26-2008, 03:25 AM
oh for electric racing and high powered vehicles go to http://www.nedra.com. Nice site.

extremeskillz
08-26-2008, 03:27 AM
heres a good example of high powered EV http://www.evparts.com/galleries_zoom.php?GALLERIESTAG=1

schnee
08-29-2008, 03:05 PM
Great Idea, needs a bigger motor and more 24V truck batteries.

I want to do something similar with a DC motor bolted to a GT4 rear diff. That way it'd be petrol, hydrogen, lpg & electric.

Love the way the petrol flap is now an extension cord housing - how about incorporating solar panels into the bonnet and sunroof? I like that somebody actually did something that works instead of just mouthing off. Hats off to him, I'm sure his next project will be way better.

Single phase AC motors max out at 3hp - that wouldn't drive a moped?

UndaGrwnD
08-29-2008, 04:31 PM
LOL wtf!

schnee
08-29-2008, 04:50 PM
Pity he didn't use a bigger motor and truck batteries - that thing could haul ass!

The specs on that RX7 EV dragster are staggering - 80 bike batteries being drained flat in 20 secs while outrunning most superbikes!! Thats a current drain of 3000 amps, to get some perspective, your average plug socket can handle 10 amps and you can weld/kill someone with 20 amps. Venturi is marketing an EV sportscar they recon is quicker than a Ferrari and a Canadian company is selling an EV supercar capable of over 220mph.

extremeskillz
08-29-2008, 05:18 PM
Well have you heard of the Tesla Roadster. Its a ferrari killer electric car and being sold at $90,000.

david in germany
08-31-2008, 11:37 AM
damn, wouldn't even make my drive to work with the range listed. :(

VikingJZ
09-01-2008, 11:01 PM
Interesting....That would be nice for running around town and maybe your surrounding towns if you live in the boonies like me.

schnee
09-12-2008, 05:37 AM
Anybody figured out yet why these things all have such limited range?

Surely there must be a way to go more than 50 miles on a charge.

Anybody know any good links on the Toyota Prius? - I'd like to see how that works

burnyd
09-12-2008, 06:03 AM
Anybody figured out yet why these things all have such limited range?

Surely there must be a way to go more than 50 miles on a charge.

Anybody know any good links on the Toyota Prius? - I'd like to see how that works


Well Im not super genius or anything but you have to think that that thing is ran off of like 10 batteries.... imagine having to have something belt driven to recharge that kind of mess, but then again you have such a underpowered motor Im not even sure if it has some kind of drive belt or not or how the hell it works Im totally clueless! But just think of it that it takes a 100a + alternator to power your celica with 1 battery what it would take to power 8-10 batteries.

celicaGT90_05
09-12-2008, 06:21 AM
actually our member buffalohunter toys around with the idea of electric cars, I've been talkin to him for quite a while

schnee
09-12-2008, 06:36 AM
Yeah - charging 10 batteries isn't easy.
Those solar powered aero cars travel across continents (very slowly) with tiny motors, surely there must be ways to extend the milage as this 185 doesn't have a huge motor. I note the real powerful ones now have a motor on each wheel.

burnyd
09-12-2008, 06:39 AM
^^ You just answered your own question

extremeskillz
09-12-2008, 02:22 PM
Well the answer is LIthium ion batteries. It will take that same car to the 100mi per charge range without changes. The Nickle acid batteries are just heavy and slow the car down. I mess with electrics too and they are really easy to build if you have the money.

Limited range comes from weight, aerodynamics, and drag.

extremeskillz
09-12-2008, 02:25 PM
Yeah - charging 10 batteries isn't easy.
Those solar powered aero cars travel across continents (very slowly) with tiny motors, surely there must be ways to extend the milage as this 185 doesn't have a huge motor. I note the real powerful ones now have a motor on each wheel.


Well half true. Although some companies are working on in wheel electric motors that spin up to 20,000 rpm, they are still in developement. the ones on nedra.com are existing cars with there manuel transmission mated to a high powered electric motor. For drag racing they are using AC motors (brushless too). AC because they are powerful motors and to use them the DC controllers that power the motor take the dc voltage and convert to AC voltage. It's great stuff and shit is fast!

www.teslamotors.com

schnee
09-14-2008, 06:04 AM
Hi again

Did the signage for a new electric scooter shop (www.e-motion.co.nz) here in Auckland today and got talking to the owner. I wanted to know what could be done to extend the range and basically it's all in the batteries.

That Celica looks like it has lead acid batteries - evidently ther'e crap.
The current gel batteries are much better but the latest scooters etc are coming out with Lithium batteries and soon they will take over.

I had a look at them and ther'e smaller, light and charge quicker. Evidently the range on these new Lithium jobs is more than double that of the existing gel batteries.

I'm struggling with the concept of a DC-AC converter working, as those motors need thousands of amps and I've yet to see an inverter of more than 20 amps and it was huge!

usp45
09-14-2008, 10:29 AM
I always thought a turbo/hybrid synergy drive st162 would be cool. The electric motor would offset the turbo lag.

schnee
09-14-2008, 11:47 AM
My idea is similar to yours -

Buy a st165 chassis (or fit rear 165 diff)
I want to build a carb 3SFE motor (1800cc 4S block) and fit an injector rail as well for hydrogen. I then want to power the back wheels with an electric motor and have a car that uses all 3 and see how far I can possibly go. I can then charge the batteries while on hydrogen and make hydrogen while on batteries as well as have the fuel for extra grunt or emergencies
Crazy?

I honestly believe none of us will be able to afford fuel in 5yrs time and all this talk about turbo's and mega - horsepower will be obsolete. Even the Le Mans cars have gone to diesel and I think F1/Indy etc will follow that trend. My racing days will be restricted to my Xbox (at least we can still race each other!)

I've dropped compression on my motor to run 91 RON and it's already saving $10 every time I fill it.

Why'd you think the USA is spending billions of dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq when the economy is nosediving - Chemical weapons?, think again!

The world's current oil consumption is something like 90 million barrels p/day & climbing! - I can't even imagine what that looks like let alone where I'd put 1 day's oil.

usp45
09-14-2008, 12:35 PM
I think, everyone should pitch in for a big ass windmill on there block and use the electricity to electrolize water into hydrogen and oxygen. The average gasoline internal combustion engine can be modified to run on hydrogen. The only exhaust is water!
Surprisingly someone owns the patent for using wind turbines to make hydrogen. And seeing how no effort has been made to make use of the technology. It would seem that big oil companies may be sitting on the patent and milking their record profits.
I thought I solved the energy crises when I thought of that, but turns out someone already thought of it and has been sitting on the patent... Then again, maybe there is some logistical reason it wouldn't work?

schnee
09-14-2008, 12:57 PM
Dunno where I'd find room for a wind turbine on my car :laugh: . Nowadays you just put a charge through some water and it gives off Oxygen and Hydrogen. There are plenty of guys building their own hydrogen cars at home.

Mazda did it with a RX7 motor years ago and even built a working prototype - makes you wonder why it got dropped?
There is talk that the renisis RX8 motor port design was inspired by that hydrogen prototype (they had to find a way to stop the exhaust gas from exploding the incoming hydrogen)- but that is a whole other subject.

usp45
09-14-2008, 01:25 PM
Dunno where I'd find room for a wind turbine on my car :laugh: . Nowadays you just put a charge through some water and it gives off Oxygen and Hydrogen. There are plenty of guys building their own hydrogen cars at home.

Oh, I meant like fueling stations that produce hydrogen from wind power. Not like propeller car things. I suppose That would be a shit ton of turbines anyway. I just thought it was a neat idea cause they can't store electricity from turbines, but they can store hydrogen.

And yes they can already make hydrogen, but they typicaly burn fossil fuels in the proccess. Which efectivly solves nothing. If you make it from wind power your only by products are oxygen and water.

schnee
09-14-2008, 01:40 PM
You're right - everybody should have a bigass windmill and solar panels - to power/heat their houses & not pay for it.

I waz just being obtuse, you can do that already with a battery. The turbine just makes electricity which is used to make hydrogen, same as a battery would.

To store static hydrogen in a car you need a massive cylinder in the boot - even bigger than LPG, so re-fuelling hydrogen at a station is out. The stuff is also dangerous - remember the Hindenburg?

Check out the fastest hydrogen only car, it's 300+km/h set by an AC Cobra, the whole boot (trunk?) is the hydrogen tank.

1l of water can make enough hydrogen to travel 1000ks - that's the hype at the moment.

Imagine going 1000 miles on 1 pint of gas or water?
Imagine having a 1 pint gas tank?

usp45
09-14-2008, 05:06 PM
You're right - everybody should have a bigass windmill and solar panels - to power/heat their houses & not pay for it.

I waz just being obtuse, you can do that already with a battery. The turbine just makes electricity which is used to make hydrogen, same as a battery would.

Ahhh, I see. I suppose if everybody used windmills and used the electricity to charge battery powerd cars in a addition to powering there homes, that could be a very efficient solution.


To store static hydrogen in a car you need a massive cylinder in the boot - even bigger than LPG, so re-fuelling hydrogen at a station is out. The stuff is also dangerous - remember the Hindenburg?


You are right about the storage issue, that hadn't crossed my mind.

To be fair though, the hindenburg was an engineering shortcoming, it was a death trap, based off of a horrible concept. Far more dangerous than than a hydrogen powered car IMO.
I do however see your point, Alot of pressurized gas is not exactly the greatest thing to have on board in the event of a crash. Though, the same could be said for a tank of gasoline.

I think diesel hybrids are a good short term solution.

Fuel cells when they become widely available are a serious longterm contender.

schnee
09-16-2008, 01:41 AM
Yeah, we all need to start looking at other ways to provide power for ourselves, esp with the world's weather going crazy and rising power bills.
We had power cuts earlier when the dams ran dry, and now it hasn't stopped raining for 4 months.

Hydrogen was banned in airships & balloons after the Hindenberg, it's all Helium now (not as good) which isn't as explosive.

Diesel looked like an alternative but the price has shot up and it's no longer cheaper, petrol will be phased out first as trucks, trains, ships etc all rely on diesel. I was thinking of building a diesel Celica DD (from a Corona) as a joke, but it's going to be more expensive once I pay the stupid diesel road taxes here (which petrol cars don't pay) and I'd have to have the car re-classified as a diesel.

That leaves hydrogen and battery power as options?

Sooner or later we'll all be driving golf carts - I just want a Celica body on mine!

This is already a common sight in Africa.......

schnee
09-23-2008, 12:09 AM
I take that back - If they put these (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=10700&catid=member&imageuser=7353) on the street I'd consider dumping the Celica.

I got personal with a new electric car formula coming to NZ last weekend and it seems I owe someone an apology. The thing uses a Samsung A/C motor and a 200kW power inverter! 200kW & 450Nm is not to be laughed at! Surprisingly it only does 4500 rpm

Here is the car porn: pic1, (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=10700&goto=next&c=member&imageuser=7353) pic 2, (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=10699&goto=next&c=member&imageuser=7353) pic3, (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=10698&goto=next&c=member&imageuser=7353) pic4 (http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=10697&goto=next&c=member&imageuser=7353)

VikingJZ
09-23-2008, 01:47 AM
Many electrics

Ryan
09-23-2008, 02:11 AM
many electrics ftw batch!!!!

Ghosty
09-23-2008, 03:18 AM
No gas in Africa?

Try Atlanta. Nashville. Right now.

Not saying Africa isn't important, but when the U.S. runs out of oil on home turf... shit's going down.

My idea for a self-sustaining, green, and cheap method of transportation is the following:

- Small aluminum-block diesel engine mated to an electric generator (diesel is the most efficient engine currently known, and regularly powers trains that haul thousands of tons of cargo at 400 mpg or greater, due to no drive line loss and dead-constant RPMs)
- Excess electricity from generator stored in Lithium-Ion batteries or better battery technology
- Regenerative braking technology
- Plug-in charging
- Photo-voltaic paint to assist charging away from base station
- Wind/ Solar/ Geothermal electric generation at base station, i.e., your garage.

All of this can be done with today's technology. And that's perhaps the scariest thought.

schnee
09-23-2008, 03:43 AM
Shit's goin down worldwide in the next year or 2, weather we like it or not. Problem is - when oil, gas runs out, so does diesel.
Oil price spiked again this morning.
There are major power cuts in S.Africa now as well, as the ANC believes it's their right not to pay power bills. In NZ there's only 1 power line feeding 4 mil people and the dams almost ran dry this year.
Fuel price in Mocambique, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Congo, Angola etc is around $50 per quart, so even when there's petrol - not many can afford it.

It's getting to the time where we need to start putting these ideas into action now, that's why I take my hat off to the guy with the E-182. With some refinement it could be a great run - around. If I were there, I'd be bidding on it.