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ssantos6981
07-19-2008, 07:32 AM
Has anyone tried/installed these suckers? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-93-TOYOTA-CELICA-PROJECTOR-HEADLIGHTS-BLACK-89-90-91_W0QQitemZ300241952881QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL080 715159r8513

I just purchased the black ones linked above (they also come in a crystal which is a shiny metallic) and they work horribly. The frame for the oem headlights doesn't fit well so you have to work with it a bit and after all the trouble the lights are dangerously dim. I'm not certain if it is the bulb (since it came with the headlight I figure it is a garbage no frills brand), if I should have bought the crystal lights, or if the headlights (either crystal or black) are to blame.

They look neat, a different look compared to the standard completely white headlight... but I could see the road with oem.

Any info would be appreciated.

Galcobar
07-19-2008, 09:06 AM
You got what you paid for.

Actual projector headlights are a full module, which with a fair amount of work can be mounted in a receptacle designed for an H4/H6054 housing, but you cannot simply paint over three-quarters of a housing's lens and expect to get an appropriate amount of light.

H4 bulbs do not go in projector modules. Ever.

What you have is a cheap H4 housing with a faux lens meant to look like a projector to the utterly ignorant. It also lacks certification for a proper beam pattern and light output, even against the archaic and inadequate DOT standard.

If you want an improvement, your best option is to look for a set of Hella (good), Bosch (slightly better), or Cibie (best and priced that way, pronounced C-B-A) H4 housings with an ECE beam pattern. If that's still not bright enough, pair those housings with high efficiency (30% more light), ultra-high efficiency (50%), or higher (and much less enduring) bulbs.

celicatrd93
07-19-2008, 06:41 PM
they are not bad for the prıce. old roomıe bought me a set for 30 shıpped. was pretty decent. look good and lıt up well for 30 shipped. so they are decent and nice little cheap upgrade. go for it. did had pics of them on the car and at nıght wıll have to see if i can find them.

extremeskillz
07-19-2008, 07:28 PM
those are crap. this is what im doing

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/2/7/9/4/DSC00394.JPG

celicatrd93
07-19-2008, 07:31 PM
well what you pay ıs what you get. so for 30 dollars shpped dont know what you guys want. but ıt ıs a good ıdea to get two sets and make some custom sleepy eye projectors.

extremeskillz
07-19-2008, 07:36 PM
^which is what im going. not finished tho...

METDeath
07-20-2008, 01:13 PM
If you want to just buy projector headlamps, here's one... (http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/acahidxp6054bs.html) price listed is per housing...

extremeskillz
07-20-2008, 02:37 PM
^which is rediculous

Ryan
07-23-2008, 12:11 AM
tuner4life tried theblack housing ones on my car wen he had it, didnt work for shit...the black didnt disperse the light at all...i just ordered the "crystal" ones and i got an h.i.d. kit off tuner for them...

ssantos6981
07-23-2008, 04:30 AM
Well, I went back to stock. 300000% brighter than those. I guess this is a good warning for those looking for a cheap replacement.

Extremeskillz, where did you get those projectors? Are they good? I mean I got some good bright OEM's. I don't need anything brighter but... I mean the brighter the better right?

Okctrd
07-23-2008, 04:44 AM
if you want brighter, the only way to go is hids.. lol

Galcobar
07-23-2008, 07:53 AM
No, HID is not the only way to get brighter.

In fact, it's about the most difficult way to get more lumens out of the same system. You either have to spend the time fabricating a way to mount a proper projector module in a headlight unit designed to hold an H4 housing, or spend the time working to afford to buy them already assembled.

An upgrade to proper ECE spec housings and using high or ultra-high efficiency bulbs is much easier. And you will likely spend less over the lifetime of the car than if you were to install an HID system.

That said, a good quality HID system with an E-code projector will produce more lumens and with a better beam pattern than you can gain from an H4 configuration. The question is, is that worth the time and money?

As a final point, lighting on cars follows much the same rule as performance:
Fast. Reliable. Cheap. versus Effective. Reliable. Cheap. Pick two.

extremeskillz
07-23-2008, 11:52 AM
Well, I went back to stock. 300000% brighter than those. I guess this is a good warning for those looking for a cheap replacement.

Extremeskillz, where did you get those projectors? Are they good? I mean I got some good bright OEM's. I don't need anything brighter but... I mean the brighter the better right?

Im currently running the head lights i pictured with a 8000k HID kit. I bought a second set to do the projector retro mod. The projectors are acura TL projectors single beam. i already atempted bi-xenon and those are to big and wont fit the housing without extra moding. i just wanted a drop in solution and these fit well. granted i had to shave a lot to make them fit but they work. i did a test beam and the are sharp. its just time i dont have to finish them.

Ryan
07-24-2008, 01:11 AM
those tls really do have nice headlights...im hoping with the "crystal" housings and the hid kit it will look nice, and be plenty bright...i think its just the black housings that make it less bright...

Ryan
07-26-2008, 07:32 PM
i got my headlights put in last night, and even with just those "h.i.d. look a like" bulbs, they were brighter than the silverstar sealed beams that i had before. this weekend sometime i will probably put my h.i.d. kit on.

mspired13
07-27-2008, 05:45 PM
An alternative is the AutoPal headlights. Similar to the higher cost Hella and Cibbies. They are on ebay. Nice projector like sharp cutoffs with the Ecodes.About $40 shipped. Worth the extra $10 from the fake projectors. They suck.

http://stores.ebay.com/Autopal-Lights

http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33722&page=2&pp=25

Wicked Toys
07-27-2008, 10:05 PM
Some Diamond Cut Housings and Exspensive PIAA Bulbs work for me.

Slider
07-28-2008, 04:10 AM
An alternative is the AutoPal headlights. Similar to the higher cost Hella and Cibbies. They are on ebay. Nice projector like sharp cutoffs with the Ecodes.About $40 shipped. Worth the extra $10 from the fake projectors. They suck.

http://stores.ebay.com/Autopal-Lights

http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33722&page=2&pp=25

Agreed, while they might be a little worse than the Hella and Cibies, I don't think the difference is worth paying more than double for Hellas and Cibies. BTW I do have Hellas, at least one of them now after the accident haha. I'll probably pick up the Autopals for the Miata. Couple those with the Osram 85/80 Hyper H4 bulbs for the best results. The light output is 1750 lumens in low beam. Compared to your regular 60/55 bulb which is 1000 lumens and 1100 for high efficiency 60/55 bulbs. The wattage increase isn't big over stock so new wiring shouldn't be needed, don't take my word for it. A wiring harness would make sure the lights get all the juice they need.

Interesting thread I found http://www.500ecstasy.com/forums//showthread.php?t=2853