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Lonestag
06-07-2008, 04:08 AM
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The guy is asking $1500 for this car.

That Bad:

Power Steering leaks
Needs new tie rod
Exaust Leaks
Brake lines leak
Broken coolant sensor and Oil sensor (can see broken connections in picks)
Guages and lights only come on after high reving (NO idea what that could be)
Driver side rocker panel has been repaired for rust
Starter won't won't kick over from ignition, but will when jumped from battery


The Good:
3SGE FTW
only 120k miles
Interior is in really decent shape


I'm thinking that $1500 is just not going to cut it,
I'm thinking maybe offering $800

There is a lot wrong with it, but all of the problems seem pretty minor.

The one thing that I'm kinda weary of (besides whats above) is that there is basicly zero aftermarket support for the 1st gen 3SGE

Discuss:

Mr Celica
06-07-2008, 04:15 AM
1500 seems like a lot with the problems and the year of the car... try at 800 and work up.

Cavanagh
06-07-2008, 06:12 AM
I Agree, 1500 seems a bit high for the car. Best of luck haggling with him.

METDeath
06-07-2008, 06:29 AM
If you're looking for $800 I'd ask for $700 then work up from there, but ask him to make you a counter offer.

VikingJZ
06-07-2008, 07:36 AM
Waive $750 cash under his nose and wait for the aroma to soak in.

I find that slapping the wad of cash in your hand in front of the person works very well. The motion is similar to taking a baseball bat to your hand in front of some punk who's screwing with you.

Rix86
06-07-2008, 07:10 PM
looks like a rust bucket.
1500 is about 1200 too high.

White87GTS
06-07-2008, 07:44 PM
looks like a rust bucket.
1500 is about 1200 too high.
Agreed. You can tell that someone has done some sort of body work on both of the rear quarter panels, and almost all 4th gens have rust on those panels. Unless it was repaired correctly, it will just come back over and over again.

It may only have 120k miles on it, but it looks to be in about the same shape that my 88 GTS (rip) was at 180k miles. I paid considerably less than $1500 for that car.

The high pressure PS line is most likely the source of the leak on the PS system, and that's a PITA to replace. Not to mention, it can be expensive.

IMO, if you can get it for $500 bucks it might be worth it, other than that stay away.

Murgatroy
06-08-2008, 12:38 AM
Yeah, I am leaning toward a no on that as well.

$1500 is a little high for the condition of that car.

I wouldn't go any higher than $800.

I bought Mudhoney in very solid shape, no rust (The South FTW!) with a shopping list of new parts installed (with receipts) and only a couple of defects (clogged cat, dent in fender) for $700.

Keep looking if you want my opinion. Don't rush into it. You have your mind set on what car you want, now take you time finding the right one.

Lonestag
06-08-2008, 01:16 AM
Well, if anyone can find me anything better, i'm all ears.
I don't think I'm gonna pay anything close to $1500. I might offer $700 for it, but he was pretty enthusiatic about getting $1500 for it.

I'm kinda take it or leave it, though I really would like to find a GTS...








***EDIT***

He just texted me and asked for $900
I guess he is a little more motivated to sell then I judged
Neat...

celicaGT90_05
06-08-2008, 02:03 AM
heh, yeah $1500 for that year is way too steep

85gtsblackman
06-08-2008, 02:09 AM
buy an 85 gts :burn:

Futant3
06-10-2008, 01:08 AM
The tie rods and power steering are a pretty easy fix if you replace the whole system. Probably needs it anyway not too bad on money but the work is a major PITA. I'd be pretty concerned about the rust and the electrical issue. Starting issue is very common on these cars with a pretty easy/inexpensive fix. Exhaust leak is not too bad depending on where the leak is down the line. Brake line is a little bit of a pain.

I'd keep pushing the price down and go into it knowing you have some money to spend.

burnyd
06-10-2008, 03:31 AM
give me the intake manifold off of that car

Rix86
06-10-2008, 06:21 AM
give me the intake manifold off of that car
you need a stock 3sge intake?

Rix86
06-10-2008, 06:22 AM
buy an 85 gts :burn:
Just about the smartest thing I've ever seen you type :laugh:

Lonestag
06-11-2008, 03:56 PM
Well, I got him down to $800. I'm trying to get to somthing like $650-700. Rust isn't my largest concern, becasue this car wouldn't be seeing winters...

Is that starting problem you were mentioning the solinoid in the dash that somtimes goes bad?

There was a great condition GTS in a local junkyard last summer, might still be there...
It would help with the parts...

ciento44
06-11-2008, 04:04 PM
Man.. with what you listed was wrong with it... i doubt i would pay more than $500 for it. If you want it REALLY bad, then maybe $600.

Leaky brake lines.... really? May as well upgrade to stainless braided, there's $120 or so right there. It'll add up REALLY fast. You could easily spend over $1000 just repairing this thing, even though it's probably all fairly minor stuff.

Lonestag
06-11-2008, 04:16 PM
Well, if I could get somthing that I think would last me a few years of summer driving, i'm willing to put maybe a grand and a half in it.

I just don't think I could even find a decent GTS for $1500-2000 that I wouldn't spend at least $200 driving to pick up (Rural Living FTL)

Futant3
06-12-2008, 07:30 PM
With the position of the starter on the 3sge it gets exposed to a lot of heat so things wear out faster. The usual culprit is that the small positive lead builds up resistance so when you turn the ignition it does get enough power to get things spinning. You just build in a relay that jumps directly from the battery when you turn the key.

davmac
06-12-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm glad I'm not the first one to say pass on that car cause I know how emotional car purchase is and the 3sge is a nice engine.
I owned an 89 GTS that I really liked until the rust killed it. When I bought it I was willing to live with ugly because it drove great. This car doesn’t look that great and as it sits doesn’t drive great either.

This is like a nice house in a really bad neighborhood. It might be great house (engine) but you’ll never be happy living there. You will easily spend $1500 fixing the little things so you can safely and reliably drive the car and that assumes you can do all the work yourself. Its going to get old and discouraging fast. Braided stainless brake lines - lol – you need to replace one or both hard rear brake lines from the proportioning valve back.

Lonestag
06-12-2008, 08:00 PM
Actaully, as far as the brake line goes, You can actually see where it has been knicked and is leaking. I didn't get a chance to check the PS line.

I would be willing to dump maybe $700 into it right off, just to get it drivable.
As is stands though, I've offered the guy $700 for it and I don't think he is going to take it.


It's a shame though, I REALLY would like to find an 88-89 GTS casue these are the cars that got me into cars...

Chris
06-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Stay away from emotional purchases man. That's how I ended up buying the Z, and it screwed me.

ciento44
06-12-2008, 08:27 PM
The trick is to not even look for one. I was not needing or even looking for another car when i happened across my hatch. Then BAM. $600. And not to rain on your parade, but it was in approximately 3x better shape than that GTS.

If you're hellbent on spending that kind of money on a 4th gen, there's an auto GTS for $1200 locally, and it's in GREAT shape.

Chris
06-12-2008, 08:30 PM
Yeah, with any of the Toyota sports cars you're gonna have to consider driving a good distance. I know how you feel, I live in a small ass town (only 600 people) during the summer. And in the midwest, I picked up the only Supra that was worth buying out of listings from Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri.

ciento44
06-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Lonestag, tell me how far you're willing to travel, it'll give me something to do tomorrow at work.

Lonestag
06-12-2008, 08:55 PM
Well,
I don't know how far I'd be willing to drive ATM, If there was somthing within 350miles, that would probably be no problem. Really, I wasn't looking for a celica at the moment (looking for a tercel for my dad) and this just kinda appeared.

I understand what you guys are saying about the emotional purchase thing. Though this might be the only chance I'll get to won an 89 for a long time...

I'd jump on that $1200 one if it wasn't for the auto tranny...

ciento44
06-12-2008, 08:59 PM
Well,
I don't know how far I'd be willing to drive ATM, If there was somthing within 350miles, that would probably be no problem. Really, I wasn't looking for a celica at the moment (looking for a tercel for my dad) and this just kinda appeared.

I understand what you guys are saying about the emotional purchase thing. Though this might be the only chance I'll get to won an 89 for a long time...

I'd jump on that $1200 one if it wasn't for the auto tranny...


My point on the one local, is that it's in MUCH better shape than the one you're looking at. Even after it was converted to manual, it'd end up being less money for more car.

I'll do some digging tomorrow when i'm bored for you though.

CriScO
06-12-2008, 09:14 PM
I've been avoiding this thread because I consistantly try to buy every fourth gen I see, and I really don't have the space for another one right now. :)

Even just $700 = FAIL. Even I would've avioded this one. I paid $300 for the coupe, which had equivilent mechanical issues but no electrical problems. I've been behind the dash of fourth gens many times, including replacing the entire dash harness on the hatch. You do not want to be in there, it's a nightmare.

It sucks, but wait. A better one will come along.

Lonestag
06-13-2008, 06:01 AM
Well, I mean, as far as the electrical problems go, it's only the wierd tach thing and the starter. It's more the mech stuff i'm worried about.

Rick89GTS
06-22-2008, 07:02 PM
Pass on it. Too many headaches.
I've bought many cars and currently own 3: 86GTS, 89GTS and 88 AllTrac. You regret passing up on a car with problems, only to realize you made the right decision when a better one comes along.