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beingblueeyes
06-02-2008, 02:01 AM
Well all this is what Iím working on at the moment thought I would share. all thatís left to do it to take the fuel injector hole on the itbís for vac lines and build/fab a vac manifold. Iím building this because when I owned my other 2 beloved Camryís (90 and 91) both with the 3sfe the motor responded vary vary well to a ported manifold and a 5mm lager 3sge TB. since the 5sfe is .2L bigger and still using the same under sized TB that was even to small for the 3sfe in my .02. I think this will work well.

TEST FIT
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00845.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00846.jpg

hemlocke
06-02-2008, 02:12 AM
Impressive. What provided the first pieces for that setup?

19celica90
06-02-2008, 02:19 AM
wow! can't wait to see the final product. Good job my friend, keep up the good work and let us know the hp improvement!

MrTurrari
06-02-2008, 02:42 AM
Nice!

CriScO
06-02-2008, 05:10 AM
Oooh... Me want! :)

burnyd
06-02-2008, 05:25 AM
grayscale is going to be all over your coin sack....

so anyways, what are you using to tune those ITB's? But looks good!

Cavanagh
06-02-2008, 06:56 AM
Cool. Will have dyno soon?

beingblueeyes
06-02-2008, 11:05 AM
thanks guys
the itbs were a oem part from a 900cc jap bike (forgot what kind) as for tuneing i was thinking safc but i want to run it the first time on the stock computer and watch the ol' wide band. as for a dyno im sorry but prob not since i live in maine and the nearest dyno is 2 hrs oneway away. but i will take vid and gtech it

presure2
06-02-2008, 11:37 AM
arnt ITB's more of a high RPM thing?
cool project, looking good, but ITB's on a 5s, that only makes power to 5k is pretty usless, IMO.
now, with a good set of cams, bumped compression, and a 7K+ redline...now we'd be talkin...
good luck with the project.

ciento44
06-02-2008, 02:46 PM
ITBs actually, when before/after dynod on the B-series and K-series honda engines that i've seen, actually don't make much more peak horse, but really fatten up the powerband. Great for midrange on those motors. Not sure what it would do on a 5sfe, but i'm definitely interested to see. :)

Hookecho
06-02-2008, 04:50 PM
nice! i'm interested to see where this goes. tuning can be a pain.

what is the manifold made from? it kinda looks like an iron flange with galvinized pipe for runners. if so it's gonna get really hot. also, you'll have to contend with rust internally and externally. also, when you weld thin walled galvinized pipe to thicker iron the circumference directly around the weld of the galv pipe is going to be weakend a bit because you generally need higher temps to create a bond to iron than what the galvinized pipe would demand. so make sure you brace the runners in order to keep the weight of the tb's from creating stress cracks at the weld.

all in all i commend your work. i hope you see it through and can work out the kinks. when you complete the finished product i expect a full write up :bigthumbu

beingblueeyes
06-02-2008, 11:44 PM
nice! i'm interested to see where this goes. tuning can be a pain.

what is the manifold made from? it kinda looks like an iron flange with galvinized pipe for runners. if so it's gonna get really hot. also, you'll have to contend with rust internally and externally. also, when you weld thin walled galvinized pipe to thicker iron the circumference directly around the weld of the galv pipe is going to be weakend a bit because you generally need higher temps to create a bond to iron than what the galvinized pipe would demand. so make sure you brace the runners in order to keep the weight of the tb's from creating stress cracks at the weld.

all in all i commend your work. i hope you see it through and can work out the kinks. when you complete the finished product i expect a full write up :bigthumbu


the manifold and runers are both mild steel. after i get the tb's were i want them and all the fab work done im going to have it powder coated to seal in the goodness and thank you

grayscale
06-03-2008, 02:24 AM
grayscale is going to be all over your coin sack....
Um, why? Another fail from burnyd, as usual.

blueeyes- good to see you trying different things out. What is your objective by using the itbs?

Lonestag
06-03-2008, 02:54 AM
I REALLY would like a write up on this project if it even gets close to working...
I'm amazed

MrTurrari
06-03-2008, 08:03 PM
arnt ITB's more of a high RPM thing?
They can be but they can also be a midrange or low end thing depending on the design. Just like intake manifold runners their flow characteristics change with the diameter of the pipe and the length of the runners. Two advantages I can see with ITBs are the length of the runner is usually tunable and of course you get better throttle response because you have an infinite plenum.

celicatrd93
06-03-2008, 09:28 PM
very very nice, would love to see the finished project and some video's would be nice. good luck

beingblueeyes
06-03-2008, 09:59 PM
objective: to get more air into the motor :hehe:
now for real because I think the oem tb on a 3sfe is to small and its the same as the 5sfe, besides that Iíve built lots of boosted hondas one boosted 3sfe (god i loved that camry) and one turbo v8 iroc but never a NA car. Besides for all its falts the 5sfe is still a great motor with lots of room to build and customize.... *fact* did you know that the 5sfe valve springs are stronger then a gen 1 3sge?

beingblueeyes
06-05-2008, 01:50 AM
wed update:
both the idle solinode and the vac manifold are 99% done the only thing thats left to do is weld mounting brackets on them.

I taped the injector holes in the TB's useing a 1/4 npt tap and will install (after i get them tommaorw)1/4 npt brass nips in them to get vac

whats left to buy: pvc breather filter for the idler
whats left to do: CLEAN IT, do vac lines and test fit if everythings ok them i will send it out for powder coat

(will post new pics tommarow)

beingblueeyes
06-05-2008, 06:32 PM
ok here are the new pics
idler
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00853.jpg
manifold with npt nips installed
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00851.jpg

im going to clean it up and then im at a stand still until i have time to test fit it

andy
06-06-2008, 12:26 AM
nice man!!!!!!1, i love those rubber hoses, are those from homedepot? ill tell you now you will need alot more fuel on the low end. it should crank and idle fine but i doubt it will rev. Go ahead and install that safc and fatten the low end up alot. everything else looks sexxay keep a update going. !!

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v284/140/85/51204265/n51204265_31550803_4808.jpg
http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v284/140/85/51204265/n51204265_31550804_5129.jpg
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v284/140/85/51204265/n51204265_31550810_7053.jpg
http://photos-265.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v193/140/85/51204265/n51204265_31343232_3921.jpg
http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/140/85/51204265/n51204265_31448357_8900.jpg

beingblueeyes
06-06-2008, 01:21 AM
nice man!!!!!!1, i love those rubber hoses, are those from homedepot?


Yes you caught me:)
I wanted to go this way so I could adjust the length or the runner if need be.

Great set up I really like the stacks and the air filter set ups

beingblueeyes
06-09-2008, 06:38 PM
update:
I skipped out on the powder coat but going with spray primmer and spray paint instead because I donít have a in house powder coater and Iím trying to keep this all in house. I installed the vac manifold. This is 99% done now and ready to be installed and test fitted. Iím holding of on installing due to the fact that I donít have a vafc yet (i want a vafc so i can use the 12v on/off of the vtec engament point as either a shift light of for direct port n20) (maybe a later project)

now for the pics
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00854.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00856.jpg
this one is to compare a stock 3sfe/5sfe tb butterfly with the size of the itb
butterflys
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00855.jpg

i will post more pics and maybe vid of when i have it installed but until then i must be off.

Lagos
06-09-2008, 10:03 PM
Cool project, but ditch that plumbing store crap and do it right.

beingblueeyes
06-11-2008, 02:12 AM
Cool project, but ditch that plumbing store crap and do it right.

what crap are you talking about and whats done wrong?

burnyd
06-11-2008, 04:09 AM
Cool project, but ditch that plumbing store crap and do it right.

whatever works... those are the funny setups that usually work fine forever lol.

juggernaut
06-12-2008, 11:50 PM
steel tube, rubber tube, it all flows the same. its basically getting 4X the amount of air into the motor, i dont think flow will be a problem man.

CollapsedNut
06-18-2008, 05:11 PM
If you dont mind, explain to me how the fuel works on this. I see a hose running to a nipple on the tb, Does the tb work like a carb?

beingblueeyes
06-18-2008, 08:45 PM
no, the hoses and nips you see are for vacume, on the 5s the injector bungs are in the head, not in the intake manifold like hondas/ect

Shadowlife25
06-19-2008, 01:23 AM
Nice work man :)

Looking forward to the end result!

85gtsblackman
06-19-2008, 09:32 AM
pressure2 there was dual sidedraft set ups made for the 20r an 22r engines, which is similar to what hes doing.

part of the restriction on a 5s is flow, now if he were to port, polish, install 1mm oversize vavles and cams that would probally make another great increase in flow as well

remember when nate put that 7m tb on his customized 5s manifold and it provided great results, this should yeild even better in theory.

now those rubber connectors should be fine, ive used tose for couplers on intakes before, THEY ARE BEEFY, only way they would be a problem is partcail colapse which i dont see happening, its not turboed.

greenmachine87
06-19-2008, 09:33 AM
how did you get the tps and the other sensors to work?

beingblueeyes
06-19-2008, 09:26 PM
its not on the car yet, but im useing the oem tps that came with the tbs. its 3 wire 5 volt. the only dif is im going to have to hook up a idle switch

thaivietg714
06-24-2008, 05:55 AM
my friend aluminum welded ITBs to his stock 5s manifold.
its safer and prevents vacuum leaks

beingblueeyes
06-25-2008, 12:34 AM
nice do you have any pics kicking around? also what did he do to tune it?

thaivietg714
06-27-2008, 06:05 PM
nothing to tune it. he just had to make the vacuum lines work since the 5s is MAP.

the MAP is the same either way.

thaivietg714
06-27-2008, 06:09 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/DIY_ITB/itb7.jpg
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=214998&highlight=itb+welded
i was gonna buy it off him
he would sell it for 300.

KingTRD93
06-27-2008, 07:10 PM
This is insane!!! I can't wait to see the result. when do you think you will be done???

beingblueeyes
06-27-2008, 10:35 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/DIY_ITB/itb7.jpg
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=214998&highlight=itb+welded
i was gonna buy it off him
he would sell it for 300.


nice looks good i was thinking that your friend welded the tb to the runners, but that looks just like mine but alm


im installing the vafc i got tonight and then alls thats left to do its test fit it in the car (it should fit really well) and then wire and tune it. mybe 2 or 3 weeks?

Trance4c
06-27-2008, 11:48 PM
I like.. looks good. Though is this going in the Camry? As a 5S-FE, I'm assuming so.

beingblueeyes
06-28-2008, 04:17 AM
thank you and hell yes its going on the camry :burn:
ok i installed the vafc, and set the ect setings to:
car sel: 4 cyl and put the arrow pointing to the upper right
sens no: 6 in 6 out (whatís it says to do on the apexi web sight)
and started it and the check motor light was on (code 31 for map) and the car ran like shit the idle droped to around 400 and didnít want to rev and when i tried to rev it it would stumble and pop and smelled vary rich so i just unplugged the wires going to and from my map sensor to the vafc and reconnected my map sensor back to oem and it runs fine....what are you guys with safc running for these settings on a 5s?

Trance4c
06-28-2008, 04:56 PM
What kind of room do you have between the head and the firewall for the itb's? I know in the Celica.. there isn't much. Just looking and I see your doing all this fitting and such with the engine out or a spare head. While I would assume that this is something you probably have checked way ahead of time, I just know that this would most likely not fit in the Celica, so I hope that isn't the case in the Camry.

beingblueeyes
06-28-2008, 06:13 PM
What kind of room do you have between the head and the firewall for the itb's? I know in the Celica.. there isn't much. Just looking and I see your doing all this fitting and such with the engine out or a spare head. While I would assume that this is something you probably have checked way ahead of time, I just know that this would most likely not fit in the Celica, so I hope that isn't the case in the Camry.


yea i was thinking this would be the case also so i updated the runners with 90's to make the itbs tight with the fuel rail and i think it looks better like this :)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00862.jpg

i also tried all kinds of different settings on the sens no and none of them hade any affect on the running of the motor so i did a "sensor check" and was getting the right amount of voltage to the vafc so i hooked up my multi meter to the vafc wire going to the ecu and the was no voltage...right now im going to go see if theres a brake in the wire between the ecu and vafc i hope i find one if there isent i think the vafc might be junk :thumbsdow

Trance4c
06-28-2008, 06:17 PM
:bigthumbu There you go.. I was going to suggest some 90's might need to be put in. Looks good, keep up the good work!

beingblueeyes
06-28-2008, 06:41 PM
thanks man

ok looked for brake in vafc map sig wire to to ecu and there was none...the vafc is not putting out any map voltage, so i reset the sens no. to 5 to 5 and checked voltage .40 v from the vafc to ecu (2.xxx volts going into vafc) changed the sens no. to 15 to 15 and checked voltage again .40v's again and still 2.xxx going into vafc. so im 99% sure the vafc is bad unless im overlooking something

balang_479
06-30-2008, 09:16 PM
wow, amazing project, im glad people are doing these sort of modification on these cars, cant wait to see the end result. More pics???

beingblueeyes
06-30-2008, 09:40 PM
More pics???

alright
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00861.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00863.jpg


Iíve sourced another vafc and am buying it tonight, so i should be on the right track again by later in this week

beingblueeyes
07-05-2008, 10:57 PM
ok ladies and gents today was meet with ups and downs like the itbs were test fit and DID NOT FIT!?!?!? but alls well that ends well. when i try to fit the itbs in, the top of the itb/vac manifold would hit the firewall
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00864.jpg

so i needed to make another 32 degree pipe for the runners to make the itbs sit vertical to the firewall
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00867.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00866.jpg

heres a comparison of the itbs to the oem manifold, the itbs are a little longer and are around 5 lbs lighter
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00868.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00869.jpg

heres some pics with the itbs installed and sitting were the will be when im done this project
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00872.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00870.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00871.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00873.jpg

and heres a vid of the car at idle and some fast revs, throttle response is vary fast. in the vid the vibration on the camera is from solid tq/dog bone mount and the fact that i made but didnít install yet a front mount for the itbs to connect the top of the itbs to the 2 bolts for the fuel rail
(idle at 1000 rpm)

Seans itb first start vid (http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/?action=view&current=MOV00874.flv)
when the car is running theres a check motor light, i havenít pulled the code yet to find out what its for but im guessing its going to be a tps code

the saga goís on

hemlocke
07-05-2008, 11:14 PM
Awesome, dude. How soon until road tests, and what is your throttle reponse like, compared to the old setup?

beingblueeyes
07-06-2008, 03:14 AM
Awesome, dude. How soon until road tests, and what is your throttle reponse like, compared to the old setup?

road test should be with in the next two week due to the fact that i dont have the (working) vafc installed/in my hands yet. even with the check motor light on for what ever reason and no tuning the throttle response was great much much faster then oem and the sound...gave me wood (mahogany)

tomorrow before i put the oem manifold back on, i will hook up the wide band and get reading of idle and reving and also pull the code

beingblueeyes
07-06-2008, 03:09 PM
ok hooked up wideband this morning (zeitronix wideband using 2.0.13 software) and got the air/fuel-rpm-tps was hooked up but not working.....the code was the tps code
here are the results:

Filename: F:\seans first.zto
Date Exported: 7/6/2008 6:55:26 AM
DateTime, Lambda, AFR, RPM, Boost(PSI/inHg), TPS
7/6/2008 5:44:43 PM, 0.66, 9.70, 769, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:43 PM, 0.66, 9.70, 731, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:43 PM, 0.66, 9.70, 731, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:43 PM, 0.65, 9.60, 731, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:43 PM, 0.66, 9.70, 738, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:43 PM, 0.66, 9.70, 738, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 794, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 794, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 801, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 801, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 801, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 774, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 774, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 767, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 767, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 811, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 811, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 804, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 804, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 771, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 771, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 771, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 772, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 772, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 811, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 811, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 808, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 808, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 775, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 775, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 775, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 757, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 757, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 802, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 802, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.69, 10.10, 799, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.69, 10.10, 799, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 764, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 764, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 764, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 758, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.69, 10.10, 758, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.69, 10.10, 779, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:44 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 779, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 783, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 739, -25.50, 0
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7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 744, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 820, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.90, 820, -25.50, 0
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7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 927, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.67, 9.80, 1098, -25.50, 0
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7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.68, 10.00, 1343, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.69, 10.10, 1453, -25.50, 0
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7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.71, 10.50, 1565, -25.50, 0
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7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.74, 10.90, 1797, -25.50, 0
7/6/2008 5:44:47 PM, 0.76, 11.20, 2007, -25.50, 0
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its is running vary lean, i think that has to due to the fact that the ecu isnít seeing any tps signal and the fact that i donít have the vafc installed and tuned

balang_479
07-06-2008, 03:30 PM
Great stuff, nice to see them all in and running... cant wait for more updates.

Lonestag
07-07-2008, 03:07 AM
So hot, I hope you do a complete write up when you finish, this looks like a winner.

celica1990gts
07-12-2008, 01:29 AM
can't wait to see the end result

thaivietg714
07-12-2008, 09:46 PM
are you going to make a bracket for the ITBs for strength?
dont know if i asked this already. thats what my friend did for his 5s ITB's

beingblueeyes
07-13-2008, 11:48 PM
are you going to make a bracket for the ITBs for strength?
dont know if i asked this already. thats what my friend did for his 5s ITB's

yep its already fab'ed it ties the itbs to the 2 bolts for the fuel rail

juggernaut
07-15-2008, 07:38 PM
it might be just me, but in that vid, it sounded like when you gave it a quick rev it bogged, like there wasnt enough velocity in the intake. am i wrong?

beingblueeyes
07-16-2008, 02:36 AM
no your not wrong, the ecu wasent seeing ay tps sig. so it couldent tell when i was opening the itb

andy
07-16-2008, 06:35 AM
looks awesome dood!

beingblueeyes
07-23-2008, 03:31 PM
so Iíve hade the past couple of days off from work because of "lack of work" so its given me some time to work on the itbs :wiggle: . before i got up this morning out of bed i came to the conclusion that I didnít really want to MAKE the stock 3 wire tps that came with the itbs work with the 5s ecu I wanted to mod the itbs to fit a stock Toyota 5s tps so it would be even easier to hook up down the road, for that i sacrificed a 5/16 socket by drilling and taping a hole in it for a set screw and a short extension and also cut up part of a stock 5sfe throttle body so get the little part that bolts to the "T" that moves the tps. I also drilled out the holes were the led end on the throttle cable goís to to fit a Toyota sized throttle cable. here are the pics
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00888.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00889.jpg

celicatrd93
07-23-2008, 07:13 PM
very very nıce job. glad to see ıts comıng along great. cant waıt to see some vıdeos.

beingblueeyes
07-24-2008, 08:45 PM
ok another lack of work day today :( so more work on the itbs! :ohyeah:
today i made the mounting plate for the 5s tps and taped a hole in the itbs (the hole was used for the oem air diverter(s), i think thatís what there calledÖ) for the tps mount to bolt to and i spot welded the "T" part of the tps to the short extension. pics

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00892.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00890.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00891.jpg

NIXmx
07-24-2008, 10:53 PM
Brilliant!

Slider
07-24-2008, 11:19 PM
Can't wait for the results

beingblueeyes
07-26-2008, 07:18 PM
today was the finish of the 5s itb project with there finishing and installment/base tune. The itb's at full open only shows the stock 5s ecu that there is 75-80% throttle open witch isnít a problem because you can overcome this with the vafc/safc. after going for a drive (or 5) around the block and getting the base tune of part and full throttle it feels like I didnít give up anything down low but gained a lot in the 4k to 6k area. the 5s now spins freely to whatever I want to without the "hitting the wall" feeling when trying to really rev it and sounds outrageous. this set up would be lethal with high CR and bigger valves with cams. so Iím going to drive with them for a bit and enjoy knowing im prob the only one in this state (maybe this coast) running this set up then possibly sell to help finance my other projects. Iím uploading 20 mb vid and 2 pics and will post them when there done (in the vid I rev to 6 k a couple of times and you can also see the glow on the right hand side of the vid showing the spark arcing from the plug wires to part of the plugs)(in the pics the wires on the left are for my wideban o2)

WHATS LEFT TO BE DONE: fine tune and enjoy :burn:
WHAT I LURNED: anything can be done with time and perseverance

greenmachine87
07-26-2008, 07:33 PM
that cool makes me want to make some

Trance4c
07-26-2008, 07:34 PM
Yes, that is very nice! Very worthwhile project for the 5S! Congrates on all the work. Makes me wanna have a 5S and run that, great grunt power, I'm sure it breaths better up top, very sweet mod.

beingblueeyes
07-26-2008, 09:04 PM
here are the pics and vid
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00894.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/DSC00898.jpg
Camry 5sfe itb base tune reving to 6k (http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x297/cascadedhart/?action=view&current=MOV00896.flv)

Ads28
07-26-2008, 09:17 PM
sooo sweet man congrats :P way to goo sounds amazing, defeintly need some more vids on that bad boy

balang_479
07-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Pretty much awesome... wish i could do such a thing.. but i dont know much about them.
Apart from actually making them, did you simply use all the stock sensors on the intake?? and what exactly is a vafc??

thanks

Trance4c
07-27-2008, 03:01 AM
Why in the video do I see something start to glow with more throttle? Looks like its coming from in-between the runners into the head near where it connects.

Slider
07-27-2008, 04:33 AM
Sounds mean, are you planning on doing any headwork?

beingblueeyes
07-27-2008, 08:18 PM
balang_479: yes i used stock sensors. a vafc is the same thing as a safc but the vafc has the ability to control vtec (rpm switch)

Trance4c: i saw this also and hade my father rev the car and i looked, and its the arc jumping from the plug wires to the plug, since the wires i made do not have dust boots on the top you can see down in to the plug cylinder

Slider: yes i plan on doing some head work, shaving it to get as close to a 10.0.1 CR and some port work, no cam, no bigger valves this is my daily driver and i built this to make the drive a little more fun:)

Ryan
07-28-2008, 07:56 PM
wow, this was an amazing project, congrats on getting it all to work.. keep us posted on further projects.

greenmachine87
07-29-2008, 05:27 PM
how did you get the idler to work? Im curious want to start my own itb project

beingblueeyes
07-31-2008, 01:47 AM
92-gt: i think ill make another intake manifold using the oem one as a base, something a lot easyer to make so everyone should be able to do it, right now i like the idea of a stock 5s intake manifold with a 1mz 60mm tb adapted to it using all stock 5s sensors. Ill keep every one posted

greenmachine87: i took the idle air valve off the bottom of a 5s TB and cut a metal plat that it could bolt to then drilled a hole in the side that when the stock idle air valve is on the tb is on the plenum side of the butter fly valve and welded a nipple to it

Lonestag
08-13-2008, 03:31 PM
I'm kinda curious.
Is there a point where you are opening up too much with a throttle body setup?

I have been thinking of trying to fab an ITB setup from four stock TB's so that I don't have to worry about the TPS. Would a setup like this feed the engine too much air?

What if I made an ITB from several smaller Toyota TB's such as from a tercel?
I'm just curious, and i'm sorry if these are stupid Q's...

beingblueeyes
08-18-2008, 06:05 PM
no there not stupid Q's...before I started building my itb setup I was toying with (and started fabing) a large plenum being fed by 2 stock 5sfe/3sfe Tb's with the injectors relocated to the top of the runners (i think it would help with fuel atomization since our injector bungs are built into our heads) but it turned out to be a lot more work if you can believe that compared to the itbs. the way I was going to have it done was I need a total of 3 flanges cut (2 tb's and the intake manifold) on top of that I needed to fit the large volume plenum (3 1/2 id) into our tight intake manifold space with our over sized fuel rail/fpr on it also. I just gave up and then started the itb quest. Is there a point where there is too much tb? hmmm tricky question I would say no, if you used the same size intake runners to the head as stock and correct the fueling so you donít have any leans spots (tps shows ecu your only at 50% open with a 50mm tb vs. 50% open with a 100mm tb your going to need the fuel you would be using at full throttle with the 50mm tb) having a huge opening to have the air flow into/throw I think would only be a benefit because you would gain the velocity back you lost having a huge opening for the tb when the air flows down the intake runner ports, also velocity stack in the intake plenum would help a lot.

Dan_Q
08-27-2008, 05:27 AM
superb stuff, really enjoyed reading this one- thanks for posting up :)

i was going to do a similar thing on my engine with some fireblade bodies (929) but my priorities have changed, nice to see what can be done :)