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CriScO
05-01-2008, 07:27 AM
Took the coupe to her first test night of the season. My numbers aren't unbelieveable by any means so I haven't scanned the time slips, but I will do it on request. These were at Bandimere Speedway, one mile above sea level in my bolt-on only 220k mile 3S-FE. Best run in bold.

Run 1:
R/T: .125
60': 2.842
330: 8.105
1/8: 12.510 @ 54.46 MPH
1000: 16.318
1/4: 19.490 @ 71.41 MPH

Run 2:
R/T: -.062 (Damnit! My first red light ever!)
60': 2.814
330: 8.044
1/8: 12.412 @ 55.51 MPH
1000: 16.175
1/4: 19.310 @ 72.27 MPH

Run 3:
R/T: -.001 (so damn close to my first perfect light, damn, damn, damn!)
60': 2.686
330: 7.874
1/8: 12.315 @ 51.47 MPH
1000: 16.288
Then the third gear syncros start acting up and kick it out of gear and...
1/4: 19.551 @ 69.73 MPH

Run 4:
R/T: .211
60': 2.778
330: 8.004
1/8: 12.354 @ 55.30 MPH
1000: 16.107
1/4: 19.248 @ 71.96 MPH

Run 5:
R/T: .183
60': 2.706
330: 7.825
1/8: 12.142 @ 56.14 MPH
1000: 15.870
1/4: 18.992 @ 72.43 MPH YES! Finally broke 19! :)

Run 6:
R/T: .176
60': 2.671
330: 7.868
1/8: 12.296 @ 53.93 MPH
1000: 16.122
1/4: 19.293 @ 71.58 MPH

I shelled out an extra 40 bucks and registered for the season, even though I'm obviously not consistant enough to compete. The main thing is that now I can bypass the tech inspection and I get my own number. Hopefully when I get the header and magnaflow cat on there I can keep it under 19 the rest of the season. Oh, I need to set some cash aside and get the Speed Source mounts, too, that rear torque mount was clunking real nice when I launched. :)

The Captain
05-01-2008, 08:21 AM
You're well on your way to a 14.7!

KoreanJoey
05-01-2008, 08:22 AM
lol

CriScO
05-01-2008, 08:35 AM
You're well on your way to a 14.7!

Yeah, I went alone and was bored, so I couldn't resist and sent this text to Luni after my second run:

"I just ran a 14.7 with my 3S-FE! ...just kidding, I can't break 19..."

Then later:

"Finally broke it, 18.992 @ 72.43mph. That's at 6000ft, I bet it would be 14.7 at sea level!"

Poor Luni... :)

ciento44
05-01-2008, 03:47 PM
Your coupe stripped or anything?

I bet with a serious diet you could get that thing moving.

What kind of tires and psi do you run?

T-spoon
05-01-2008, 06:50 PM
Those 60ft times are like ouch, but with the right tire setup and practise I'm sure they'd improve. Also yeah, you'd get an adjustment for altitude but I don't recall exactly how it works.

burnyd
05-01-2008, 07:20 PM
You're well on your way to a 14.7!


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Lagos
05-02-2008, 02:39 AM
19s...wow.
You might officially qualify for the slowest car on the site! :)

vip09
05-02-2008, 04:49 AM
Everyone has to start somewhere.. you'll be running 14.7's in no time. Practice is key ;)

CriScO
05-02-2008, 06:26 AM
Just got home from work, so many things to reply too...


Your coupe stripped or anything?

I bet with a serious diet you could get that thing moving.

What kind of tires and psi do you run?

You've hit the core of the problem - I run the stock 185/70/13's at 30 psi. What can I say, they're $120 for all four, you can't beat that! Because of their cheap nature I've been a bit shy about dropping the pressure at the track. Yes, there is much spinning off the line. :)

As for the weight, she was at 2850 last night. Minus me = 2650. I will be stripping it down as soon as I can figure out what to do with the parts in case I ever need them. I'm a packrat and have serious storage issues... :)


Those 60ft times are like ouch, but with the right tire setup and practise I'm sure they'd improve. Also yeah, you'd get an adjustment for altitude but I don't recall exactly how it works.

Most cars run about 1 second slower up here. Not sure of the exact formula.


19s...wow.
You might officially qualify for the slowest car on the site! :)

That's just how awesome I am, I've gotta be the best at something around here, even if it's the best at being slow! :) Mark my words, it's slow now but one day you will be in awe of my mighty 3S-FE! Bwa ha ha! :bigthumbu

CriScO
05-02-2008, 06:57 AM
<----- Okay, I couldn't resist and changed my title. :)

The hatchback's got a A140L, and with it's issues I bet it would run 25's, so I think that title's a pretty safe bet. :D

Denver_whiteST185
05-02-2008, 09:31 AM
Its alright. i ran an 18 with the alltrac at bandimire (pretty much stock with a REALLY bad clutch and a heatsoaked intercooler)

i weighed in that night at almost 3400 with me in it

the best celica run ive seen was when westra ran a 13.7 at banimire with his 205 swapped ST165 (TBE, blitz ecu, 22psi, and probably a few other goodies)

BTW, if you looking at engine mounts, the kirkosaurus inserts are a little cheaper than the speedsource inserts. although the speed source mounts i have are pretty awesome

crash60068
05-03-2008, 07:57 AM
19s...wow.
You might officially qualify for the slowest car on the site! :)
not true my dad 94 st with 105 hp would barly keep up with him lol

crash60068
05-03-2008, 07:58 AM
any one with a 5sfe have track times on there car???

ciento44
05-05-2008, 06:29 PM
any one with a 5sfe have track times on there car???

Multiple....

I don't think i have slips anymore, though. There's probably a couple floating around this forum somewhere.

I ran my 93 GT Coupe anywhere from a 16.5 down to a 15.9xx depending on weather, tires, and how much crap i had stripped out of it at this point. Trap fluctuated between 84-87mph on 205/55-15s, and 87-90 on 195/60-15s.

60' was usually 2.1-2.3, with an all time best of 1.97x that i doubt i could duplicate again. (Not that i want to, it didn't smell too good under the hood after.)

This was a bone stock car with stock original suspension, stock broken exhaust, and the shortest of ghetto $4 short ram intakes.

When i get my timing completely sorted out on the 92 GT, i'll do a test run or two on it. I think my 60' should be consistently lower on it, running better tires, and a stronger pressure plate.

tuner4life
05-06-2008, 04:46 AM
any one with a 5sfe have track times on there car???

I should by the weekend. I am going to the track on friday. :)

Tommy
05-06-2008, 06:45 AM
any one with a 5sfe have track times on there car???


i am running mid 18s in my 91 gts. mods injen short ram intake and a cat back exhaust with a high flow vibrant cat and magnaflow muffler. running 2.25" pipping what size pipe are you guys running on your 5sfe i want to go 2.50" maybe 2.75" not sure yet i want to hear some of your opinions. and im getting a header hopefully it comes in sometime this week all it is is one of those headers off of ebay. i just dont know why its running 18s and not any faster. maybe a tired motor.

ciento44
05-06-2008, 03:39 PM
i am running mid 18s in my 91 gts. mods injen short ram intake and a cat back exhaust with a high flow vibrant cat and magnaflow muffler. running 2.25" pipping what size pipe are you guys running on your 5sfe i want to go 2.50" maybe 2.75" not sure yet i want to hear some of your opinions. and im getting a header hopefully it comes in sometime this week all it is is one of those headers off of ebay. i just dont know why its running 18s and not any faster. maybe a tired motor.

2.5" crush bent, or 2.25" mandrel bent.

If that's a manual, you've got something wrong with your motor i think... if it's auto, i don't think that's outside the realm of possibility.

Tommy
05-06-2008, 07:41 PM
its 2.25" mandrel bent. yes its a 5spd. but it also has 204,XXX miles on it.

ciento44
05-06-2008, 08:24 PM
its 2.25" mandrel bent. yes its a 5spd. but it also has 204,XXX miles on it.

Eh.... i consistently ran 16.3 on all season on my stock 93 coupe with 210k+ miles.

I'd say get that thing at least a tune up. How's fuel economy looking on it?

CriScO
05-06-2008, 09:08 PM
Yeah, the coupe has 220,000 miles. Toyota's can race a very long time. :)

He could be spinning the tires all the way through first gear like me, too. :D It's harder to notice on the track.

Tommy
05-06-2008, 10:34 PM
yeah ill look into a really good tune up. so your coupe is n/a right. i need to figure out what my problem is then. what are some other little upgrades i can do to run better times? i have a full exhaust hopefully next week.

ciento44
05-06-2008, 10:55 PM
yeah ill look into a really good tune up. so your coupe is n/a right. i need to figure out what my problem is then. what are some other little upgrades i can do to run better times? i have a full exhaust hopefully next week.


My coupe was bone stock with a $4 intake that i would NOT recommend doing, and a broken exhaust at the flex pipe.

You'll want intake, header, exhaust, run 92-93 octane and advance your timing some.

And strip the hell out of that thing... GTS are HEAVY.

A lot of it, not putting you down, may be your driving. It's necessary in a fwd car to get a good launch, to slip the clutch way harder and more than you're used to doing more than likely. I tended to launch around 3200rpms, and i had it down to the point that when i had the clutch all the way back out, it was at 3200-3400rpms pretty consistently. Won't smell too pretty, but it'll be faster than bogging or just dropping the clutch at 5k rpms, i promise.

What kind of elevation are you at?

Tommy
05-06-2008, 11:01 PM
i dont know the elevation but im in vegas nevada.

Ghosty
05-07-2008, 01:29 AM
I would also add to that list a nice pair of tires for the fronts. You can always change them back to match the rears after the race.

Rubber makes a TON of difference. A TON.

I would second the 92-93 octane and advance timing, probably, what, 5 to 7 degrees?

... I think the next logical step after I/H/E/ Tires / Advanced would be engine management... maybe lower compression ratio with thinner head gasket... then you're looking at cams... then a second mortgage.

Tommy
05-07-2008, 01:37 AM
im running yokohama advids. i really dont know much about timing so i should advance by 5 to 7 degrees now what do you mean? and how do i drop compression ratio. when i get my header i wanted to redo my exhaust from the header back. are any of you running 2.50"-2.75"? i wanted to move up to somewhere around there. and engine management what do you guys use?

tuner4life
05-07-2008, 03:55 AM
Quick question,

What would be better for the fronts while draging?:

Stock 1992 GT rims w/ yokohama Avid H4s 195/60/15

or

The 17"x7" ers with 205/40/17 cheap tires (Barum)

The 17s feel lighter, but I dont know if the tires are much better on the stock rims to make up for it, And I see hondas run steelys up front at the strip all the time, so whats better?

crash60068
05-07-2008, 07:23 AM
yea im running the same size piping 2.25 catback on my 5s. but the stock cat is on it. but did anyone with a hi flow cat notice any difference with it?????????????

Ghosty
05-07-2008, 07:31 AM
im running yokohama advids. i really dont know much about timing so i should advance by 5 to 7 degrees now what do you mean? and how do i drop compression ratio. when i get my header i wanted to redo my exhaust from the header back. are any of you running 2.50"-2.75"? i wanted to move up to somewhere around there. and engine management what do you guys use?

Whoops, I meant bump compression ratio up. Of course, when you up the compression ratio, you must use higher octane to prevent detonation.

There's got to be a thread on here about how to advance your timing... it's not that intense of a process but you do need to know what you're doing or you're going to advance too much and cause some knocking. Or maybe even retard it and make things worse than stock.

Tommy
05-07-2008, 07:33 AM
how do i bump up the compression ratio? so then crank the timing up about 5-7 degrees? ill look it up.

Ghosty
05-07-2008, 07:35 AM
Quick question,

What would be better for the fronts while draging?:

Stock 1992 GT rims w/ yokohama Avid H4s 195/60/15

or

The 17"x7" ers with 205/40/17 cheap tires (Barum)

The 17s feel lighter, but I dont know if the tires are much better on the stock rims to make up for it, And I see hondas run steelys up front at the strip all the time, so whats better?

Myself, don't know for sure. But I do know that steelies are cheap, that might be one factor. Is a 15 inch steel less than a 17 inch alloy? Could be.

I wonder if the increased sidewall also comes into play, better properties with heat expansion. Not sure.

ciento44
05-07-2008, 03:46 PM
I would also add to that list a nice pair of tires for the fronts. You can always change them back to match the rears after the race.

Rubber makes a TON of difference. A TON.

I would second the 92-93 octane and advance timing, probably, what, 5 to 7 degrees?

... I think the next logical step after I/H/E/ Tires / Advanced would be engine management... maybe lower compression ratio with thinner head gasket... then you're looking at cams... then a second mortgage.

That would raise compression, which is what you'd want.

And yeah... i would recommend 7 degrees advanced on 93.


Rubber does make a ton of difference... but even on pretty shot Kuhmo ASX's i was able to hit 2.1 60'. It's all in the clutch slippage. I don't know what i could do on my tires now, probably not real fast, because i'm still not used to where this clutch engages on this car.

ciento44
05-07-2008, 03:48 PM
Quick question,

What would be better for the fronts while draging?:

Stock 1992 GT rims w/ yokohama Avid H4s 195/60/15

or

The 17"x7" ers with 205/40/17 cheap tires (Barum)

The 17s feel lighter, but I dont know if the tires are much better on the stock rims to make up for it, And I see hondas run steelys up front at the strip all the time, so whats better?

15s with better tires all the way.


im running yokohama advids. i really dont know much about timing so i should advance by 5 to 7 degrees now what do you mean? and how do i drop compression ratio. when i get my header i wanted to redo my exhaust from the header back. are any of you running 2.50"-2.75"? i wanted to move up to somewhere around there. and engine management what do you guys use?

I wouldn't bother getting the exhaust any bigger, you won't see any gain out of it.

Engine management, pick your poison, but it won't be worth it the price unless you spend some coin on your engine first.

Tommy
05-07-2008, 06:18 PM
how many degrees in advance would you recomend on a 91 gt-s

ciento44
05-07-2008, 06:20 PM
how many degrees in advance would you recomend on a 91 gt-s

Same. 5-7.

crash60068
05-08-2008, 08:42 AM
what about a 96 gt the 2.2l

ciento44
05-08-2008, 02:58 PM
what about a 96 gt the 2.2l


Same motor, same thing.

CriScO
05-08-2008, 05:57 PM
Hey, how much advance on a '94 Camry L4? :)

Okay, slap me. I couldn't resist.

ciento44
05-08-2008, 06:01 PM
Hey, how much advance on a '94 Camry L4? :)

Okay, slap me. I couldn't resist.


No dude. That engine sucks. Swap in a 3sgte. :hehe:

tuner4life
05-12-2008, 03:56 AM
So I have some work to do...

My fastest time was a 14.7 sec 1/4 mile. :laugh:

J/K, I actually ran a 16.3 :thumbsdow It was pretty embarrassing getting beat by civics and the like with the same mods as me. I thought the celica was supposed to be sporty, and here grocery getters with an intake and fart can were smoking me!!

I do actually plan on going back up to the strip this friday again and embarrassing myself further. Before I go, I am going to put the 17"ers back on the car because the 15"s (even though they had Yokohama Avids on them) wouldn't grip, and The 205/40/17s have tons better tread and weight a ton less.

I also am going to be borrowing a timing light to advance timing 7 degrees. So we will see if I can pull anything off next week... :bigthumbu


On a differen't note, If gas prices don't come down at least a little, I may not drive much at all.

CriScO
05-12-2008, 04:29 AM
^ Yeah, imagine doing it on 13's. :)

That actually isn't bad for the mods I saw on your underhood pic in another thread. Have you done any internals or just bolt-on?

I go to the strip on the test and tune nights, which basically means anyone who passes the tech inspection can run. What's really funny was the 8 second bike VS the 19 second Celica - I so wish I had that on tape! :D

Denver_whiteST185
05-12-2008, 06:42 AM
If you ever see a silver and blue turbo busa at bandimire, the owners name is James. he has/had an alltrac (i think he just sold it, im not sure though)

for kicks and giggles...
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/tedehrlich80227/th_Video0002-2.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/tedehrlich80227/?action=view&current=Video0002-2.flv)
Me "racing" him (i almost had him.... :) )
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/tedehrlich80227/th_Video0003-2.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/tedehrlich80227/?action=view&current=Video0003-2.flv)

CriScO
05-12-2008, 10:20 AM
That's pretty much what it was like :)

ciento44
05-12-2008, 04:19 PM
So I have some work to do...

My fastest time was a 14.7 sec 1/4 mile. :laugh:

J/K, I actually ran a 16.3 :thumbsdow It was pretty embarrassing getting beat by civics and the like with the same mods as me. I thought the celica was supposed to be sporty, and here grocery getters with an intake and fart can were smoking me!!

I do actually plan on going back up to the strip this friday again and embarrassing myself further. Before I go, I am going to put the 17"ers back on the car because the 15"s (even though they had Yokohama Avids on them) wouldn't grip, and The 205/40/17s have tons better tread and weight a ton less.

I also am going to be borrowing a timing light to advance timing 7 degrees. So we will see if I can pull anything off next week... :bigthumbu


On a differen't note, If gas prices don't come down at least a little, I may not drive much at all.


What was your 60' and your trap speed?

That's actually pretty good for the minor mods you have done and a full interior. :)

CPincy
05-12-2008, 05:54 PM
So I have some work to do...

My fastest time was a 14.7 sec 1/4 mile. :laugh:

J/K, I actually ran a 16.3 :thumbsdow It was pretty embarrassing getting beat by civics and the like with the same mods as me. I thought the celica was supposed to be sporty, and here grocery getters with an intake and fart can were smoking me!!

I do actually plan on going back up to the strip this friday again and embarrassing myself further. Before I go, I am going to put the 17"ers back on the car because the 15"s (even though they had Yokohama Avids on them) wouldn't grip, and The 205/40/17s have tons better tread and weight a ton less.

I also am going to be borrowing a timing light to advance timing 7 degrees. So we will see if I can pull anything off next week... :bigthumbu

Yea that really isnt that bad at all except i got my all stock saturn to go 15.9 last year :D. and i havent ran my celica yet both times ive gone to launch i snapped a cv axle :wtf:

ciento44
05-12-2008, 06:00 PM
Yea that really isnt that bad at all except i got my all stock saturn to go 15.9 last year :D. and i havent ran my celica yet both times ive gone to launch i snapped a cv axle :wtf:

Lol... how the hell are you launching that thing?

And Jason, another thought:

You're spinning Avids? How are you launching? If you're launching over 3500rpms, you're wasting your time, tires, and clutch. I hope you're not just doing a clutch drop up there. I didn't have a problem catching traction my Kuhmo ASXs back when i was rocking those sweet all-seasons. :)

CPincy
05-12-2008, 06:13 PM
Lol... how the hell are you launching that thing?

hahaha stage 3 ceramic 6 puck clutch + drag radials + 4000 rpm at 5 psi. im gonna check into getting some custom ones made cause i basically cant launch my car and it annoys me

ciento44
05-12-2008, 06:18 PM
hahaha stage 3 ceramic 6 puck clutch + drag radials + 4000 rpm at 5 psi. im gonna check into getting some custom ones made cause i basically cant launch my car and it annoys me

Dude.... just put some street tires on that thing and run it. That's way overkill for the amount of power you're making.

Just launch it like you would an n/a 5sfe and the mash it when you're done slipping the clutch.

CPincy
05-12-2008, 06:31 PM
Dude.... just put some street tires on that thing and run it. That's way overkill for the amount of power you're making.

Just launch it like you would an n/a 5sfe and the mash it when you're done slipping the clutch.

with street tires i just spin like crazy even if i dont pop the clutch

tuner4life
05-13-2008, 03:43 AM
What was your 60' and your trap speed?

That's actually pretty good for the minor mods you have done and a full interior. :)

60 ft: 2.3307

trap: 82.11

It's just discouraging getting beat by pretty much everything. :( I may have to look into something faster... Cough225hpcoughturbocoughsaabcoughcough :ohyeah:

CPincy
05-13-2008, 05:00 AM
60 ft: 2.3307

trap: 82.11

It's just discouraging getting beat by pretty much everything.

haha dont feel bad about gettin beat by hondas and their stupid engine names like b16's and k20's and as much as i wanna admit it i have to give some of those guys credit they are running 14' and 15's N/A on those damns things

CriScO
05-13-2008, 06:29 AM
Well guys, I'm going again this Wednesday. As long as it isn't still snowing anyway, fucking Colorado! :)

I think I'll rotate the tires and drop the pressure a bit. I'll also try to work the clutch better, as Ciento suggested. Dropping it at 4k isn't working anyway. :D Hopefully I'll be able to keep it under 19 this time.

Due to a lack of car budget money, my header keeps getting put off. I had enough to order the poly motor mount inserts, though. Too bad they won't be here in time for my next runs! Oh well, gotta work with what I've got this week...

KoreanJoey
05-13-2008, 07:58 AM
Yeah... my car has too much camber to drag race...

CriScO
05-13-2008, 08:24 AM
^ That's what's great about drag racing, I don't need to turn! :)

A guy from the tire shop next to my store and I were joking about that just the other day:
Him: A guy just dumped some slicks we could put on your car.
Me: Yeah, that's just what I need...
Him: They're a little wide, you wouldn't be able to steer. But you don't need to turn on the drag strip!
Me: What do you want me to do? Put them on in the staging lane, stop at the end and change them to go back around to the pit? :)

grayscale
05-13-2008, 02:39 PM
^Tow eet!:D

ciento44
05-13-2008, 03:50 PM
haha dont feel bad about gettin beat by hondas and their stupid engine names like b16's and k20's and as much as i wanna admit it i have to give some of those guys credit they are running 14' and 15's N/A on those damns things

How about street-driven 12s cars? N/A.

Sounds like you need to make a trip up here to get the crap scared out of you.

Hell, my CRX hit 13s off the bottle n/a.

Jason, that run doesn't look too bad.... 60' is a little slow, trap is a little low.

There's a 16.0 in that car. :)

tuner4life
05-13-2008, 06:17 PM
^What does your Saab run??

CriScO
05-13-2008, 06:58 PM
^Tow eet!:D

One of my employees and I actually joked about that later.
Me: What will I tow it with, the hatchback? Heh, you just wait, here in a few years when the hatch is race only you'll see a celica towing another celica to bandimere. At the track I'll take the hatch off the trailer and run them both!
Him: Dude, that's bad...
Me: Yeah, but you've gotta admit it would be hilarious!

ciento44
05-13-2008, 08:32 PM
^What does your Saab run??


Dunno..... Probably like.... 14.3 @ 118 or something retarded. :hehe:

It ain't too fast from a dig. I don't have amazing tires on it or anything, and launching it isn't the most fun thing unless you're TRYING to get arrested.

My brother still has it, he's buying it from me, i'll see if i can convince him to let me beat the crap out of it one last time.

Good news is i get to keep the stuff off of it and return it to pretty much stock.

KoreanJoey
05-14-2008, 08:36 AM
One of my employees and I actually joked about that later.
Me: What will I tow it with, the hatchback? Heh, you just wait, here in a few years when the hatch is race only you'll see a celica towing another celica to bandimere. At the track I'll take the hatch off the trailer and run them both!
Him: Dude, that's bad...
Me: Yeah, but you've gotta admit it would be hilarious!

The last time I broke my trans my buddies came a rescued me.

One (Rix) had a Toyota 4x4 Pickup with an old, tired 22RE.

The other (dmboy_wsu) had an ST185.

We decided the ST185 made better torque NE way.

So here's Eric towing me along in my gray GT (w/ an ST185 hood) with his red ST185...

It was kind of hilarious.

CriScO
05-14-2008, 08:39 AM
^ I'm pretty sure that's the most awesome thing I've ever heard!

VikingJZ
05-14-2008, 04:16 PM
I may run mine when i get back to Indiana and get some money....need that right now. I don't really care about that though.

I do know its way faster than a 5S and a definite step up from my freak of nature 5S.

CriScO
05-14-2008, 10:46 PM
Well I'm off to the track again. I may start another thread tonight because this one's becoming a beast. :)