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quark
03-12-2008, 04:47 PM
Hi there guys..

You will properly be seeing me alot in her... My project is this...

Looks nice, right?
http://bilgalleri.dk/uploads_large_wm/1063321.jpg

Easy project, right? :)
http://bilgalleri.dk/uploads_large_wm/1063320.jpg

Really nice car, 167.000km and booked all the way. :bigthumbu
http://bilgalleri.dk/uploads_large_wm/1063323.jpg

Horror :wtf: :smokin:
http://bilgalleri.dk/uploads_large_wm/1110771.jpg
http://bilgalleri.dk/uploads_large_wm/1110774.jpg

Can you see what this is, and what have happend? :thumbsdow
http://bilgalleri.dk/uploads_large_wm/1111872.jpg

I have a banged up 92 alltrac to take all the parts from, Iīam just hoping that the wiring loom is not that different.

extremeskillz
03-12-2008, 04:49 PM
its nice but what the hell is up with the engine bay. it needs a cleaning real bad.

bloodMoney
03-12-2008, 04:51 PM
A small fire maybe? I don't really know what else could have caused the localized corrosion. There's a lot of white crap in the bay too... (extinguisher residue maybe?)

Does it run?

~bloodMoney

tuner4life
03-12-2008, 05:02 PM
I like the color.

geebes
03-12-2008, 05:04 PM
Oh noes!!

battery jizz?

quark
03-12-2008, 05:21 PM
Fire and a CO extinguisher... I bought it like this... A guy has mounted a FPR, and that one has blown the return hose off ... :-(

quark
03-12-2008, 05:31 PM
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00055s.jpg

Look at the red line.

Has anybody seen this mod before?? I cant tell where it has been going because its burned. But it ends up in the oil cap.

Seems really weird to me. :zombie:

burnyd
03-12-2008, 05:45 PM
oh snap

quark
03-12-2008, 05:51 PM
Dont worry guys, its going to live again..
Plans are.

Custom 3" exhaust
MS2 engine mangement, no AFM
upgradede ct26
Cheap Ebay exhaust manifold kit of ebay.
maybe 650 injectors, but are not for sure yet.

tuner4life
03-12-2008, 05:54 PM
I like your supras!!!! I really want one of those!

quark
03-12-2008, 06:02 PM
hehe okay guys... :-D You really like those supraīs.. Its also a great car wish can easily make 350hp. But its heavy like shit, and sometimes it feels like driving a tank, until you floor it.

Pictures of the red supra (targa) http://bilgalleri.dk/html/gal_visbil.asp?ID=107805
Pictures of the white supra http://bilgalleri.dk/html/gal_visbil.asp?ID=1519

Trance4c
03-12-2008, 06:09 PM
That would be a fire from the fuel. The fuel filter is down in that location.. seems there was something that happened between that and the fuel rail. Definitely some work, good luck!

TheAutoholic
03-12-2008, 06:34 PM
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00055s.jpg

Look at the red line.

Has anybody seen this mod before?? I cant tell where it has been going because its burned. But it ends up in the oil cap.

Seems really weird to me. :zombie:
Never seen or heard of this before. Maybe it contributed to the fire. Oil fires = baaaaad.

Cavanagh
03-15-2008, 06:44 PM
Love your cars, hope to see this running again soon!

Best of luck.

alltracman78
03-16-2008, 11:43 PM
What is this?
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/6/3/1111872.jpg

That is possibly part of the "mod".
Maybe some kind of vent?
Looks too large for anything else, unless it was used to fill the engine. :shrug:


A regular ST185 harness will run the engine, but it is a bit different.
No wiring for your IC pump or IC, nothing to the IC ECU, and you'll have to change the AFM connector.
I would source a ST185 harness and use the wiring to repair the CS wiring.
I've also got a good bit of experience with wiring in general and 3SGTEs as well. :shrug:

quark
03-17-2008, 04:51 AM
YOU FOUND IT! :-D Thats a aftermarket FPR. It has blown the tube of, and gas has pissed out from there.. Its really looks like amature work.

Okay, the IC pump will be a problem. I just took the Engine wiring out of it yesterday, it worthless, I cut it with a saw.

Is the IC pump on the engine harness? I did notice the plug on the IC for waterlevel. But that sensor is also burned.

Will the stock ST185 harness connect to the Carlos Sainz ECU? And where is the IC ecu located?

I am think you to run the pump over a relay and then skip everything else, where is the pump anyway?

Lots of studip questions i know, but 1 time working on a st185, and oh man it hard to work on compared to my supraīs.

quark
03-17-2008, 04:53 AM
Ps. I have to use the ST185 AFM, is that a problem?

cs363
03-17-2008, 05:30 AM
I'm 99% sure the wiring for the pump is part of the engine harness, the stock 185 loom *should* connect to the CS ECU but you will have to swap some of the pins around to suit. The pump is mounted on the chassis rail, left hand front (on the wheel side). If you are going to modify the pump to run constant on you should be able to just wire it in separately anyway. The I/C ECU is mounted in the dash behind the radio, above the main ECU.
You could probably run the ST185 AFM but it is quite a bit smaller and also has different pin-outs to the standard item.
Considering the damage you have there I'd probably be thinking about MAP ECU or similar and getting rid of the AFM completely.

cs363
03-17-2008, 05:32 AM
Here's a link to the ECU pinouts http://www.alltrac.net/reference/

celicatrd93
03-17-2008, 05:34 AM
damn that sucks...glad you will fixing it. and that is one sweet ride. love the color

sheep
03-17-2008, 08:45 AM
all i can say is i cant wait to see when its finished! atm im not jelous but i will be lol

celicaGT90_05
03-17-2008, 08:52 AM
that car looks great, especially with those wheels. Honestly, it shouldnt be too bad of a fix, pull the motor, clean up the bay, maybe some new spray and if you need a new motor drop it in.

quark
03-17-2008, 02:55 PM
I'm 99% sure the wiring for the pump is part of the engine harness, the stock 185 loom *should* connect to the CS ECU but you will have to swap some of the pins around to suit. The pump is mounted on the chassis rail, left hand front (on the wheel side). If you are going to modify the pump to run constant on you should be able to just wire it in separately anyway. The I/C ECU is mounted in the dash behind the radio, above the main ECU. You could probably run the ST185 AFM but it is quite a bit smaller and also has different pin-outs to the standard item.
Considering the damage you have there I'd probably be thinking about MAP ECU or similar and getting rid of the AFM completely.

okay, thanks for the pinout, that will be helpfull..
Jep i think that i will make the pump run constant.
Okay the AFM i smaller... I have the AFM, but the eletronic is meltede on it, i will try to see if I can swap it around.

I have a MS2 project running. Just need a little more info about the 3sgte engineīs, havnt worked that much with them.. :-) Thats why I am here..

Jep it will be running in juli.

cs363
03-18-2008, 10:38 AM
Sounds good - best of luck with your project! :)

quark
03-18-2008, 04:30 PM
I am think of buying af OEM wiring harness from toyota, but its big bucks. 1500 dollars. And then i need the AFM also.. I dont know what i will do, I would like to keep it as original as possible.

Injectors size Carlos vs. Alltrac?

alltracman78
03-18-2008, 07:41 PM
Injectors are the same, no different.
The AFM is different, but it will run the engine just fine, no hesitation, no black smoke, ect. It will have a bit less power though, and I would not recommend you run it hard.

The regular AFM has 2 extra pins you won't need, both are for a fuel pump switch.
4 Wires are the same for both [they use the same colors]. The 5th wire you can hook up if you'd like, or not. It's just a backup ground for the AFM.


YOU FOUND IT! :-D Thats a aftermarket FPR. It has blown the tube of, and gas has pissed out from there.. Its really looks like amature work.ick


Okay, the IC pump will be a problem. I just took the Engine wiring out of it yesterday, it worthless, I cut it with a saw. Is the IC pump on the engine harness? I did notice the plug on the IC for waterlevel. But that sensor is also burned.
You might want to keep the harness for connectors and reference.
The pump connector is on a chassis harness, but the wiring runs through the engine harness.
The pump relay and level switch, as well as wiring to the pump ECU is on the engine harness as well.
You can't just jump the pump if you're missing the CS harness; you'll have nothing to jump.
You can run a power and ground wire to the pump connector however.


Will the stock ST185 harness connect to the Carlos Sainz ECU? And where is the IC ecu located?
Yes, it is plug and play for a 92/93 harness.
However, there are 2 exceptions/cautions; you will need to ground one pin from the ECU [don't remember exactly which off the top of my head, but it's in the ECU to chassis connector] and some of the emissions/AC stuff might be different, it changes for different versions. The car will run fine without the grounded pin, it just prevents a code for the IC pump.
I'm currently running a RC [JDM homologation] ECU with a US spec 92/93 harness.


I am think you to run the pump over a relay and then skip everything else, where is the pump anyway?
The pump is under the left front frame rail. Look under the car right by where the bumper cover meets the fender and you should see it. A fat round thing with 2 hoses coming off it.

quark
03-20-2008, 02:51 PM
Getting the wires out.
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00081s.jpg
After soap and water.
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00082s.jpg
Donar car
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00083s.jpg
Wires and manifold out..
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00084s.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00085s.jpg

quark
03-20-2008, 03:00 PM
If I buy a new Carlos Sainz kabel, how much of the standard ST185 wont plug up?
I know about the AFM. But what about coils, tvis, and rotor (cas).

alltracman78
03-20-2008, 03:40 PM
Only the AFM.
Everything else is the same.

You can solder a regular 185 connector to your harness for the regular AFM.
Keep the other connector though, so if you can find a homologation AFM you can use it.

You don't need the 5th wire off the AFM, so don't worry about that, it's just a backup ground.
I would cut the harness where the backup ground attaches, that's probably the cleanest way.

quark
03-20-2008, 03:50 PM
Thanks!! Thats real good support i get in here... Really happy about it ;-)

quark
03-21-2008, 07:34 AM
Just seached the EPC. Offcouse the AFM for the carlos sainz is unique. I am just not so happy about putting a smaller AFM because it will mess up the A/F ration. It will run rich.
Does anybody have an idea about what a new one cost?

I am i doubt about all this. I starting to think that i will make a new wiringharness for it. Made for the MS2 ECU. What kind of signal is going from the ECU to the IC ECU? Watertemp signal or posetive/negativ signal. Man I would love a Carlos Sainz Wiring diagram.

geebes
03-21-2008, 04:47 PM
Can I have the donor car's hood??

quark
03-21-2008, 08:00 PM
Can I have the donor car's hood??

Are you coming to Denmark to get it? hehe

The hood is from my own Carlos

alltracman78
03-22-2008, 12:55 PM
Just seached the EPC. Offcouse the AFM for the carlos sainz is unique. I am just not so happy about putting a smaller AFM because it will mess up the A/F ration. It will run rich.
Does anybody have an idea about what a new one cost?

I am i doubt about all this. I starting to think that i will make a new wiringharness for it. Made for the MS2 ECU. What kind of signal is going from the ECU to the IC ECU? Watertemp signal or posetive/negativ signal. Man I would love a Carlos Sainz Wiring diagram.

Expensive. :P

All you need to do to get rid of the CEL for the IC is to ground one of the ECU terminals.
I can't remember off the top of my head which, and I forgot to look.
I'll try to check my car today to see.

geebes
03-22-2008, 03:58 PM
Are you coming to Denmark to get it? hehe

The hood is from my own Carlos


Yeah, i'll just paddle boat over there. ;)

quark
03-22-2008, 04:17 PM
All you need to do to get rid of the CEL for the IC is to ground one of the ECU terminals.

Sorry I dont understand. The CEL. My english is not 112% good. :-D

So i can use the Carlos Sainz ECU if i remove one wire? I looked at the pin out for the Alltrac ECU vs. CS ECU. And to me they looked very different.

Todays work

Ignitor box, Wiper motor, wiperblades, ignition coil, Brake booster, Watertap.
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00093s.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/DSC00094s.jpg

cs363
03-22-2008, 07:18 PM
CEL = Check Engine Light :)

quark
03-23-2008, 10:08 AM
If you look at these to pin outs, they are totally different
http://www.alltrac.net/reference/ST185ECU.JPG

http://www.alltrac.net/reference/ST185CSecu.doc

Is this information wrong?

celicaGT90_05
03-23-2008, 10:39 AM
hey not to get off topic, but if you are gonna part out that donar car I might want the mirrors if they are LHD, that is, if they are in good shape and are power. I can PM you if you wish

anyway back on topic, seems like you're doin a real good job tearin the motor down, I really wunna see you get it back up and running because its a beautiful car

quark
03-23-2008, 10:42 AM
The problem is that i live in Denmark. But if you are willing to pay for shipping, then i dont care about sending them. They are power mirrors

cs363
03-23-2008, 11:09 AM
If you look at these to pin outs, they are totally different
http://www.alltrac.net/reference/ST185ECU.JPG

http://www.alltrac.net/reference/ST185CSecu.doc

Is this information wrong?

The plugs are the same, as are the number of pins - the difference is in the wiring. You will have to swap the pins around to suit the CS ECU, taking careful note of the wire colours as a back up.

quark
03-23-2008, 11:13 AM
okay... The I just misunderstod. I was confused about it, I thought for a moment it was a plug and play. I will take the old harnes, and make a new one from that one.

cs363
03-23-2008, 11:29 AM
:) Thought so, lol. If you need me to check any of the wiring/plug colours let me know.

quark
03-23-2008, 12:00 PM
Thank you cs363 :-) It would have been a plug & burn solution :-D

quark
03-23-2008, 02:14 PM
Look at this guys... Is it okay? Word dokument for Carlos ECU on Alltrac wiringloom (http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//ST185CSECU-ALLTRACCONV.doc)
I am getting a OEM wiring diagram for the Carlos Sainz, and for the intercooler. (Will be copied), so Iīam hoping to figure out what WIN-FC-ATS means

alltracman78
03-23-2008, 02:47 PM
If you look at these to pin outs, they are totally different
http://www.alltrac.net/reference/ST185ECU.JPG

http://www.alltrac.net/reference/ST185CSecu.doc

Is this information wrong?

You need to be careful what you use.
Those are 90/91 pinouts.
They aren't any good for a 92/93 harness.

I can't write any more right now, but you need to sort out which year harness you're going to use before you start repinning stuff.

quark
03-23-2008, 03:04 PM
Both of the cars are pre 92 harnessīs.. But thanks for the info. ;-)

cs363
03-23-2008, 08:50 PM
You still need to be damn careful that the pin swap out is done paying attention to the wiring colours as well as the pin outs, as I don't want to see that car fried again!!

:)

quark
03-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Been working on the car today..
This is what i found out.. The donar car has a wiring that goes from 1990-08 until 1991-08 the Carlos Sainz has a wiring that goes from 1991-08 until 1992-02

What do you guys think that i should do? Is the color of the wires excatly the same on both harnessīs? Is the pinouts that i found from these harnessīs?

Those 2 wires for the IC pump, isnt that the only wires that i need for the IC computer, and then the water level meter? The water level meter is going to be jumped anyway.

Thinks that didnt match.
Altenator bracket. The donor didnīt fit the CS... Really stange.
Altenator wiring. The donor wires didnīt fit the CS altenator, used the Donor altenator.
Radiator temp sensor. Wiring didnt fit CS Sensor, used sensor from Donor car.
Engine to Body connector is different, misses 2 wires for IC pump.
Termostat wires are different, one plug is not in the connector, but outside. Not a problem.

cs363
03-24-2008, 02:25 PM
The harnesses won't be exactly the same, but I am fairly sure that the majority of the 'important' wires will be the same and will be the same colours. You should be able to check the wires colour against its connection on the engine to ensure you have the correct item. I don't believe there were any major differences between 90-91 except for maybe some options etc. 1992 on was where most of the differences occurred.
Anyone have wiring diagrams for 90 & 91 ECU's?

quark
03-24-2008, 02:42 PM
Nothing else to do, then sit down and spend a couple of hours tjekking the wires.

cs363
03-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Nothing else to do, then sit down and spend a couple of hours tjekking the wires.

:bigthumbu yep.....I think thats what it comes down to! certainly better to spend some time checking wires than dealing with the consequences of a wrong connection! Good luck with it!

alltracman78
03-24-2008, 05:32 PM
Been working on the car today..
This is what i found out.. The donar car has a wiring that goes from 1990-08 until 1991-08 the Carlos Sainz has a wiring that goes from 1991-08 until 1992-02

What do you guys think that i should do? Is the color of the wires excatly the same on both harnessīs? Is the pinouts that i found from these harnessīs?

Those 2 wires for the IC pump, isnt that the only wires that i need for the IC computer, and then the water level meter? The water level meter is going to be jumped anyway.

Thinks that didnt match.
Altenator bracket. The donor didnīt fit the CS... Really stange.
Altenator wiring. The donor wires didnīt fit the CS altenator, used the Donor altenator.
Radiator temp sensor. Wiring didnt fit CS Sensor, used sensor from Donor car.
Engine to Body connector is different, misses 2 wires for IC pump.
Termostat wires are different, one plug is not in the connector, but outside. Not a problem.

Your CS is a 92/93 model regardless of when it was produced.
They were the very first ones off the line and use the later version [post revision] electronics and upgrades.

Your alt bracket was different because your CS has the 9 hole manifold.
The donor has a 7 hole manifold, and has a different alt bracket which won't work on your car.

As far as the wiring, this is what I was trying to warn you about.
In addition to what you already have found, the knock sensor is probably also a different connector.
You can use your original alt instead of the donor car, the alt has the same connector on the back for all 4 years, it's the connector harness [about 6 inches long] that has a different connector.

You also have a different connector under the battery tray.
Your car has a 3 pin connector, the donor has a 1 pin, and you're missing one or two pins in the diag box.
The 2 small pins are to the IC pump.

If you had used a 92/93 harness it would have been plug and play except for the IC stuff and the AFM.

Don't worry about the 22 pin ECU connector in the wiring pinouts, it's still on your car [it's part of the dashboard harness, not the engine harness].

I can't see the CS pinouts [they won't open on my computer], but all you need to do is compare the two and swap what is different.
DON'T just go by colors, that can be misleading.

alltracman78
03-24-2008, 05:33 PM
Anyone have wiring diagrams for 90 & 91 ECU's?
The link you posted of the regular ST185 pinouts is for a 90/91, as I've already posted.....

cs363
03-24-2008, 09:52 PM
The link you posted of the regular ST185 pinouts is for a 90/91, as I've already posted.....

Hmm, yes....probably shouldn't post when suffering from insomnia, lol

cs363
03-24-2008, 10:00 PM
Your CS is a 92/93 model regardless of when it was produced.
They were the very first ones off the line and use the later version [post revision] electronics and upgrades.

Your alt bracket was different because your CS has the 9 hole manifold.
The donor has a 7 hole manifold, and has a different alt bracket which won't work on your car.

As far as the wiring, this is what I was trying to warn you about.
In addition to what you already have found, the knock sensor is probably also a different connector.
You can use your original alt instead of the donor car, the alt has the same connector on the back for all 4 years, it's the connector harness [about 6 inches long] that has a different connector.

You also have a different connector under the battery tray.
Your car has a 3 pin connector, the donor has a 1 pin, and you're missing one or two pins in the diag box.
The 2 small pins are to the IC pump.

If you had used a 92/93 harness it would have been plug and play except for the IC stuff and the AFM.

Don't worry about the 22 pin ECU connector in the wiring pinouts, it's still on your car [it's part of the dashboard harness, not the engine harness].

I can't see the CS pinouts [they won't open on my computer], but all you need to do is compare the two and swap what is different.
DON'T just go by colors, that can be misleading.

I don't know if this is strictly correct as my car (and two others I've seen, all 91's) originally had a 7 bolt exhaust manifold (since upgraded to 9 bolt).
As most of them seem to have a manufacture date of 91/08 then this would probably explain the mix of 91 & 92/93 parts that there seems to be on these cars.
However, I agree with the gist of what you are saying and that was the point I was trying to make - check the pin outs and the wiring colour and the final connection to be 100% sure of what you are connecting.
What was different with alternator fitting and wiring? I was under the impression that the alternators were the same casing but the only difference was that the CS/RC one is a higher output.

Those CS pinouts should open OK, its just a Word document.

alltracman78
03-25-2008, 01:53 AM
The only mix is the exhaust manifold and alt bracket.
My 92 [and some others] came with a 7 bolt.

Honestly, I would have guessed his did as well, I only mentioned the 9 bolt because he said the alt brackets didn't work, which only happens when you try to use a 7 hole bracket with a 9 hole manifold.

The Alt themselves are the same [RC is the same output as regular, 70 a amps, though the CS and/or GrpA might have recieved a different one because of markets, the auto 5th gens had an 80 amp alt], the difference is in the alt harness. The connector that connects to the engine harness is flat for the pre revision and triangular for the post revision.

quark
03-25-2008, 04:49 AM
So if I understand you guys right, this corrected pinout should be fine, because both of the Pinouts I used is from a correct year.

Word dokument for Carlos ECU on Alltrac wiringloom (http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//ST185CSECU-ALLTRACCONV.doc)

Okay, then i got a spare altenator :-D Had an idea about it only being the plug, but didnīt bother to take i apart. It had alittle corrosion damage on it any way.

Okay i will tjek the Knock sensor. Pretty easy swap.

I will look to see if I can find the wires for the IC pump in the old harness, and remake them.

cs363
03-25-2008, 05:32 AM
The only mix is the exhaust manifold and alt bracket.
My 92 [and some others] came with a 7 bolt.

Honestly, I would have guessed his did as well, I only mentioned the 9 bolt because he said the alt brackets didn't work, which only happens when you try to use a 7 hole bracket with a 9 hole manifold.

The Alt themselves are the same [RC is the same output as regular, 70 a amps, though the CS and/or GrpA might have recieved a different one because of markets, the auto 5th gens had an 80 amp alt], the difference is in the alt harness. The connector that connects to the engine harness is flat for the pre revision and triangular for the post revision.

Hmm...OK, this is strange - my RC has an 80amp alternator (and its the original) and has a round plug! Go figure....
I tend to think that some of the early RC's (as in pre 92 build) had a bit of an assortment of parts, for instance some (like mine)did not have a System 10 stereo or ABS, yet it seems all the 92 on cars I've seen had both these items. Conversely, not everything on the car is the same as 91 model ST185's.

cs363
03-25-2008, 05:36 AM
So if I understand you guys right, this corrected pinout should be fine, because both of the Pinouts I used is from a correct year.

Word dokument for Carlos ECU on Alltrac wiringloom (http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//ST185CSECU-ALLTRACCONV.doc)

Okay, then i got a spare altenator :-D Had an idea about it only being the plug, but didnīt bother to take i apart. It had alittle corrosion damage on it any way.

Okay i will tjek the Knock sensor. Pretty easy swap.

I will look to see if I can find the wires for the IC pump in the old harness, and remake them.

'Should' be OK.....but one thing I forgot to mention which will be a big help, is that if you remove the cover on the ECU all the pin outs are labeled on the printed circuit where the pins join the board.
Remove the cover on the side with the label, then remove the top cover - there are about 4-6 screws on each cover.

quark
03-25-2008, 01:35 PM
Yes, that is a big help :-D

quark
03-25-2008, 02:07 PM
Altenator in place :-) With wiring...
http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/thumbs/19_47e907636503c.jpg

Topcover painted.. Corresion has eaten some of the alu :-(
http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/thumbs/19_47e9064d48596.jpg

Manifold... it looks real nice in real life.
http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/thumbs/19_47e90659eb65d.jpg

ciento44
03-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Hopefully without jacking the thread....

How come people in other countries move SO much faster than us in their projects?

I'm still trying to wade through the whole pin discussion here.... O.o

quark
03-25-2008, 02:48 PM
Hehe... I donīt know.. :-D I just think that Iīam very dedicated to my projects.. :-D

You Americans are more laid back and relaxed! :-) (Yes did visit USA 10 years ago, 1 month driving alot of route 66 from east to west. Best vacation so far in my life.)

A saying in Denmark, if you get more relaxed, you will sh.. in your pants :-D

Ads28
03-25-2008, 04:14 PM
yeah like wow ur just cruiseing along nice work keep it up, itll be running in no time , im jelous haha

alltracman78
03-26-2008, 12:58 AM
You're getting there. :)

I can't open the CS pinouts because I don't have that program on my computer at home.


Hmm...OK, this is strange - my RC has an 80amp alternator (and its the original) and has a round plug! Go figure....

The Alt themselves are the same [RC is the same output as regular, 70 a amps, though the CS and/or GrpA might have recieved a different one because of markets, the auto 5th gens had an 80 amp alt], the difference is in the alt harness. The connector that connects to the engine harness is flat for the pre revision and triangular for the post revision.
The alt is the same. All 4 years have the round plug.
The alt harness has different plugs.


I tend to think that some of the early RC's (as in pre 92 build) had a bit of an assortment of parts, for instance some (like mine)did not have a System 10 stereo or ABS, yet it seems all the 92 on cars I've seen had both these items. Conversely, not everything on the car is the same as 91 model ST185's.
All RCs are 92 spec, but I'm guessing they were the first post revision models built.
ABS, system 10 and auto AC are available on the pre and post revision cars [though the US had them all standard due to such low sales]. Lack of does not constitute a pre revision "part". The only pre revision carry over is the 7 hole manifold [and alt bracket]. Everything else on the car is the newer version. Hood, rear tails, wiring, shifter, ect.


if you remove the cover on the ECU all the pin outs are labeled on the printed circuit where the pins join the board.


At least as far as USDM and JDM [including RC] those aren't 100% trustworthy. The pinouts are generically labeled [check your RC board, it will have a pinout for EGR amoungst other things].
Most of the pinouts are the same [and correct], but there are a few things on the RC board that aren't labeled correctly for it's wiring.
This might not carry over to the Euro spec cars, I've never looked at a Euro ECU.


How come people in other countries move SO much faster than us in their projects?
They have more liesure time than us most likely. We work a lot.

cs363
03-26-2008, 01:23 AM
Ah...OK, thanks for the clarification Alltracman :)

quark
03-26-2008, 02:44 PM
You're getting there. :)

I can't open the CS pinouts because I don't have that program on my computer at home.




Maybe this will help you.

http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//ST185CSECU-ALLTRACCONV.mht

Really a pity with all that corresion.. :-(
http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//billeder/DSC00135s.jpg

quark
03-29-2008, 02:46 PM
Wiring loom in the car. All connected. Tvis starter ignition ect.
Missing water intercooler and throttlebody :-D Puha, I am starting to get excited... :-Dhttp://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//DSC00136s.jpg http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//DSC00137s.jpg http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//DSC00138s.jpg

quark
03-29-2008, 03:21 PM
Hi guys..

I really dont remember what this one goes to? I dont have a picture of it..
Can you help me?
http://carlossainz.freesub.dk/homepages/carlossainz.FreeSub.dk//DSC00082s1.jpg

cs363
03-29-2008, 08:21 PM
That connects to a metal pipe down behind the engine (about level with the distributor) and then another hose goes to the inlet manifold from there. Its part of the heating system for the inlet manifold. There are two small hoses that connect to the manifold, I can't remember where the other one originates!

quark
03-29-2008, 09:16 PM
Thank you :-D That pipe must have been hidden from me :-D

quark
04-29-2008, 05:51 PM
Pushed myself way to hard with this car so i actually crashed with stress.. But now I start to have energy again, I will just take it alittle more slow this time.

Sandblasted Intercooler and epoxy painted. New Celica sign and new plugs and cap.


http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/19_48175814c2748.jpg

quark
05-10-2008, 03:20 PM
So close, and still so far. Cranked the car over today, starter was dead, new on and tried again. No fuel pressure, no spark... :-( Then i found a 2 way immobliser :-( didnt have time today, but soon it will be running.

quark
06-11-2008, 07:26 PM
3" exhaust :-D mmm
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/09062008046.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/11062008055.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/28052008028.jpg

Idiot Stick
06-11-2008, 07:30 PM
You sir, are my hero and I want your car. :)

VikingJZ
06-12-2008, 04:47 AM
Nice dude.



My family is from norge by the way. Ever been to Langhus? Its about an hour south east of Oslo near Ski

quark
06-12-2008, 06:02 PM
I have been tpo Norway 5-6 times. All around, so yes I propperly been there :-D Norway is a really beauteful contry.

rallyboy
06-14-2008, 03:41 AM
Sounds like you CSI'ed that problem. Good work gang. Man make it replica of the rally car. Or just the paint with no decals and leave the cockpit stock.

quark
06-19-2008, 03:46 PM
Hi guys.

Bought new stuff for the car.
3" downpipe
3" exhaust.
550 ccm injectors (from 3 gen)
Apexi Neo
Innovate wideband kit with 3g gauge
270 degress oil temp gauge
AEM Boost controller in 52mm Gauge
Walbro fuel pump
Adjustabel Fuel pressure regulator


Where will this mod put me?
My plan is to install the fuelcut defender, that somebody had installed in my original ECU. Lower the Airflow with 25% (550/440=1.25=25%). Final adjustment with the Neo will come later.

My stock clutch will go at what level?

Simonhla
06-20-2008, 05:50 AM
It really is looking terrific. Well done.

quark
06-20-2008, 02:53 PM
What everybody likes... Pictures

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/AEMboost.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/fpr.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/olieur.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/Wideband.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/7/1/5/3/walbro.jpg

http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/products/2601.jpg

quark
12-19-2008, 04:19 PM
Hi guys..

Just fab. my exhaust manifold... Converted into t3 for a t70 turbo..

http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/19_494bc7618de44.jpg http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/19_494bc758ef595.jpg

ciento44
12-19-2008, 04:53 PM
I thought your car was green?

quark
12-19-2008, 05:18 PM
Hihi.. Mock up car :-D

ciento44
12-19-2008, 05:24 PM
Hihi.. Mock up car :-D


Ah hah!

That makes it more clear. :)

What size T70 is it? (Out of curiousity, i promise. :hehe:)

quark
12-19-2008, 05:29 PM
It just the cheap ebay super T70
Ext A/R 0.70 coldside A/R 0.84, 3" exhaust exit. Its a crap turbo, but I paid nothing for it, so let se what it will make.

quark
12-23-2008, 11:48 AM
The color is alitlle off. :-( Flash
http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/19_4950cc5baf1f2.jpg http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/19_4950cc647e4f1.jpg http://sdcd.eu/uploads/newbb/19_4950cc73de3ca.jpg