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5gen91st
03-11-2008, 10:16 PM
so my cousin has been driving this 98 camry for quite a while and hes getting tired of the "girlyness" of it, its in great condition and has 200k miles on it but a new motor was put in not too long ago not a dent or scratch on the thing and no rust everything is perfect so im thinkin he could get 4ish out of it(just a guess) so whats some cars that would be in his range to go look at, anything besides a celica and an mr2 he loves them both but wants to make sure there isnt anything out there thats mass beastly anyone have any ideas? he likes the eclipse but everyone has one and i told him the only ecplise i would let him get would have to be the gsx b/c of the awd

burnyd
03-11-2008, 10:20 PM
I thought he wanted something thats not girlyish?

5gen91st
03-11-2008, 10:21 PM
what do you mean sir? which car would be girlyishishish

Hiko
03-11-2008, 10:28 PM
Could always consider a Supra. I imagine that a MKIV would be out of the price range, but a MKIII might not be.

There's not much less girly than a 1.7 metric ton wedge with a BHG :hehe:

5gen91st
03-11-2008, 10:32 PM
hahah knowing cory he would much rather have the 4thgen i think it is well the new version supras and insurance would blow hard haha

geebes
03-12-2008, 12:55 AM
Booo for eclipse. Get a bike!

5gen91st
03-12-2008, 01:06 AM
haha^^ he wants a new car first hes going with me on july 25 up at mid ohio race track to get a bike!

liplip
03-12-2008, 01:11 AM
240sx?

celica91gts
03-12-2008, 01:31 AM
hmmm, i always though the old dsm's were badass. gst or gsx were quite fast cars. gsx> gst though.

Mr Celica
03-12-2008, 01:43 AM
DSM= poo

i have a friend who has had 3, yes count it, 3 97-98 eclipses. rebuilt engines with a turbo (done correctly) and all three have blown the engines. just by that fact i wouldn't get one. and yes, they are girl cars. lol. and interference engines=teh gaynuhs.

i'd say a MR2, 90-92 supra, 240, older GTI (good platform), or even a 2nd gen RX7.

depending on what he's looking for, of course.

sloceli
03-12-2008, 02:01 AM
This belongs in General, moving.

5gen91st
03-12-2008, 02:06 AM
^^ahh sorry about that sloceli............i think he is leaning towards a fifthgen or the mr2 now!

geebes
03-12-2008, 05:05 AM
^I thought that is what he didn't want...good call though.

I want an mr2 spyder really badly...someday.

KoreanJoey
03-12-2008, 07:14 AM
MR2s are a pain in the ass to work on... just ask any Toyota Tech.

AE86 Corolla, FX16 Corolla, 3rd Gen Celica, Cressida, ETC...

By and large RWD cars are easier to work on.

grayscale
03-12-2008, 10:04 AM
-10 for eclipse. My wife has had 2 and I fawking hate them. I would go with a 5-6 gen on the cheap with a bad motor and yank the one from that camry. Otherwise just try and keep him in the Toyota family:bigthumbu

revv_head
03-12-2008, 10:25 AM
1st or 2nd Gen RX-7

ciento44
03-12-2008, 02:03 PM
Nissan Pulsar
Nissan Sentra SE-R
Nissan 200sx
Nissan 240sx
Nissan 300zx
Nissan NX
1992-1993 Acura Integra GSR
Subaru XT6 Turbo
Mitsubishi Galant VR4
1988-1989 ST165 Celica AllTrac
4th gen Celica GTS
MK1 AW11 MR2
MKiii Supra Turbo
VW Corrado
VW GTi
VW Scirrocco
E30/36 BMW 3-series
Various Audis (80, 90S Quattros)
Mercedes E190 Cosworth 16v (yes, you can find them for $4k)
Any Turbo manual tranny Saab
Plymouth Colt Turbo

If he can't find any of these, he's looking in the wrong places.

<EDIT>
Mazda Miata
Mazda Protege
Neon ACR
Porsche 924
Porsche 944
Isuzu Impulse
Geo Storm GSi
Datsun 240/260/280z
Datsun 510
Datsun B210
1st or 2nd gen RX7
Fox Body Mustang
3rd gen Camaro/Firebird
1st gen DSM (Eclipse GSX, Talon TSi, Plymouth Laser)

hobbie2k
03-12-2008, 03:17 PM
Ciento's got the right idea. If you can find a decent 240SX, they are bomb-proof, RWD, and have a strong aftermarket support. Not to mention that you have so many engine options, CA18DE - DET, SR20DE - DET, KA24E - ET - DE - DET, VG30DE - DET - DETT, RB20DE - DET, RB25DE - DET, RB26DETT, (I've never seen one, but you could probably fit an RB30DET in there, too) or you could go the musclecar route and stuff an LT1 or LSx in there.

ciento44
03-12-2008, 03:31 PM
I forgot one of my favorites....

Dodge/Plymouth Neon ACR.

An R/T is fine, too.

I'll update my list as ideas hit me. I've got Grassroots Motorsports open at my desk, and they usually tickle me in the right ways.

tuner4life
03-12-2008, 05:09 PM
Nissan Pulsar
Nissan Sentra SE-R
Nissan 200sx
Nissan 240sx
Nissan 300zx
Nissan NX
1992-1993 Acura Integra GSR
Subaru XT6 Turbo
Mitsubishi Galant VR4
1988-1989 ST165 Celica AllTrac
4th gen Celica GTS
MK1 AW11 MR2
MKiii Supra Turbo
VW Corrado
VW GTi
VW Scirrocco
E30/36 BMW 3-series
Various Audis (80, 90S Quattros)
Mercedes E190 Cosworth 16v (yes, you can find them for $4k)
Any Turbo manual tranny Saab
Plymouth Colt Turbo

If he can't find any of these, he's looking in the wrong places.

<EDIT>
Mazda Miata
Mazda Protege
Neon ACR
Porsche 924
Porsche 944




I'm suprised he didnt mention any Saabs. :laugh:

ciento44
03-12-2008, 05:14 PM
I'm suprised he didnt mention any Saabs. :laugh:

Dude, you failed.

Look again. ;)


Any Turbo manual tranny Saab

omar
03-12-2008, 07:10 PM
I don't know if any of you have had the pleasure of driving or riding in one, but I would highly recommend an 91 Isuzu Impulse RS. That came with a 1.6L DOHC turbo motor and is AWD. It is the same motor they used for the 89-92 Lotus Elan(M100). And if he is mechanically inclined then he could use the 1.8L block off of a 92-93 Geo Storm Gsi and increase the displacement. The Geo storm also uses an Isuzu engine. Just my 2cents.

ciento44
03-12-2008, 07:37 PM
I don't know if any of you have had the pleasure of driving or riding in one, but I would highly recommend an 91 Isuzu Impulse RS. That came with a 1.6L DOHC turbo motor and is AWD. It is the same motor they used for the 89-92 Lotus Elan(M100). And if he is mechanically inclined then he could use the 1.8L block off of a 92-93 Geo Storm Gsi and increase the displacement. The Geo storm also uses an Isuzu engine. Just my 2cents.


Agreed. Impulses are sweet cars.

tuner4life
03-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Dude, you failed.

Look again. ;)

Whoops :smokin:

ciento44
03-12-2008, 07:42 PM
Whoops :smokin:

Save some for me. :)

5gen91st
03-12-2008, 07:50 PM
very nice list ciento ill have him check it out and go from there

ciento44
03-12-2008, 07:58 PM
I tried to keep it stuff he could afford for $4k or under. Some of them may be hard to find, most won't. I'll keep updating as i think.

A lot of these were ideas that i have circulating for the Grassroots Motorsports $2008 challenge, (before i decided on a 1992 Celica GT :hehe: ) so most should be attainable.

Fuelish
03-13-2008, 05:42 PM
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Datsun 510
.............................................. Holy Crap !!! I haven't seen a 510 in about forever !!!! I remember them quite fondly, yet never got my hands on one. Although they might look a lil "boxy" by todays standards, but...heck, it would stand out amongst the sea of almost-lookalikes.

ciento44
03-13-2008, 05:54 PM
There's one or two that i see a few times a week out here.

Some guy that i kinda know not too well scored one out of Texas for $1300. Didn't need much, just some minor rust work.

Amaymi
03-13-2008, 06:40 PM
Why so much hate for the DSM? There are 4 tech's, including myself, that own gsx's or gsx equivalents including one of the master tech's. 2 of them are 94's, one is a 92, and one is a 91. All of them have well over 100,000 miles and have the original, unopened, motors. We also all have mildly modified them e.g. MBC, front mount, bigger injectors, 2g MAF mod, etc.
Of course they are all very well maintained but they are also driven quite hard. We take them to the track and hit the back dirt roads pretty often. None of us have had any major problems and in fact my Celica has been down much more often than the Eclipse. However that is due to its douche bag previous owners.

More on topic, I also would recommend the 240sx, or a jetta/golf 1.8t or VR6

ciento44
03-13-2008, 07:35 PM
^Because crank walk has become somewhat of a meme on the internet.

That's the only reason why. Most of the hate for DSMs come from people that have no experience with them.

Personally? I HATED the Galant VR4 that i was working on last summer. But that's only because it was rigged to hell and back, and it had been badly neglected in the past. If they're maintained, they're great cars.

Gidget
03-13-2008, 09:24 PM
my next car will be a 90-99 MR2 turbo

Mr Celica
03-14-2008, 12:52 AM
mmm datsun 510... i would love an 240, too. i just love that long sexy hood. mmm

85gtsblackman
03-14-2008, 12:57 AM
tell him to get a 3rd gen celica, its like the cheapest toyota to build ever, you can still beat on it after 200k , rwd, and just about any engine swap is possible

Mr Celica
03-14-2008, 01:07 AM
^if you can find one without rust :(

they're extinct around here

hobbie2k
03-14-2008, 05:22 AM
tell him to get a 3rd gen celica, its like the cheapest toyota to build ever, you can still beat on it after 200k , rwd, and just about any engine swap is possible

No! 2nd gen! 2nd gen! Same advantages, and they also look better!

Cavanagh
03-15-2008, 06:58 PM
No! 2nd gen! 2nd gen! Same advantages, and they also look better!
Lies!!!

hobbie2k
03-15-2008, 08:59 PM
Lies!!!
Opinions!!! :hehe:

KoreanJoey
03-15-2008, 11:01 PM
1st gens... the sexxorz.

5gen91st
03-16-2008, 05:17 AM
heyy sorry i havent replied in here lately ive been workin my ass off all week and havent been online.......he is leaning to a 5thgen gts or an mr2 but they can be kinda hard to find near indiana and ohio

PhillyDRFT
03-16-2008, 01:27 PM
Ciento's got the right idea. If you can find a decent 240SX, they are bomb-proof, RWD, and have a strong aftermarket support. Not to mention that you have so many engine options, CA18DE - DET, SR20DE - DET, KA24E - ET - DE - DET, VG30DE - DET - DETT, RB20DE - DET, RB25DE - DET, RB26DETT, (I've never seen one, but you could probably fit an RB30DET in there, too) or you could go the musclecar route and stuff an LT1 or LSx in there.


The biggest problem is finding a good condition 240. So many of them have been molested since the "Drifto" craze. It took me 3 years to find mine in the condition I wanted. It still needs a lot of work.

There not exactly bulletproof. The KA will take a lot of shit you throw at it. Hit or miss though. Some people have gone through 4 some are on their first. I'm on my 2nd KA but I've also been through a KA-T on the first engine.

I haven't seen anyone put a VG in theirs, but it's probly doable. I wouldn't recommend because depending on the year. They can be an electrical nightmare. Ive helped 3 people sort them out on stock 300z's let alone swaps.

The LS1 swap is a LOT of work. I researched doing this swap late last year when I feared the worst from my little KA. It requires custom motor mounts, The cross member has to be notched. (about a 3" deep by 8" wide dice out of it.) A custom drive shaft. Most people go the stand alone route. Also I think only one or two swaps kept working AC. This swap will also cost you around $7,000 - $10,000. Even more if theres work you can't do yourself.

It's a big undertaking. RB swaps are too.

I didn't notice anyone mention the dodge Omni. It's not sporty looking or anything. Although Omni GLH Turbo's are a carol shelbi design if I'm not mistaken and pretty fucking bulletproof. Easily tuned stock to make an entry level track car. I've driven a few people had when I was in school. 2 were stock and pretty fun. The third was "Stage 2" whatever the fuck that ment. I assume a larger compressor. I know he used megasquirt he spent a month putting in.

And I agree with Ciento on most of that list.
I want a Porsche 944 so bad....

hobbie2k
03-17-2008, 05:05 PM
My first KA24E died from the infamous timing chain guide problem, my brother got the engine rebuilt and the car ran great for another 50,000 mi before my parents sold the car. It survived two totalings, including a large buck at 65mph that completely smashed the front end and roof in, and 165,000 miles of MN winters. I've never had another problem with a KA and my family isn't known for being gentle with our cars.

I've seen a couple VGs, but not nearly as many as the RBs. Other than the wiring issues, the biggest problem is steering rack and brake booster clearance (a lot of guys convert to single turbo). Big advantages over the RBs are balance (VG sits far back in the engine bay) and local parts support.

It goes without saying, though, that the easiest 240 swaps are the CA and SR depending on what year 240 you find.

ciento44
03-17-2008, 05:24 PM
There's at least two VG30DETTs that i know of locally in 240s. Both are running an OMGHUEG single turbo setup now, though. One putting out 580+whp, the other around 350.

I personally know a guy with an RB25 in his S13. (Looks stock on the outside, makes for hilarious looks on domestic faces.) There's an RB26 in S13 around here, but don't know him too well.

Saw an S14 with a 2jz in it Friday night. Scary.

Oh, and Second gen > 3rd gen. :hehe:

hobbie2k
03-17-2008, 08:28 PM
Oh, and Second gen > 3rd gen. :hehe:

:woot:

Fuelish
03-17-2008, 08:54 PM
1st gens... the sexxorz. MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......yes. I miss my old '75 :(