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Ads28
01-29-2008, 01:08 AM
Ok so i have a somewhat idea what the diffrences are but what are the diffrence's between the GT4 and the alltrac, I have a guy on a local car forum sayin
"There appears to be a lot of mis-information in this thread about the Celica GT-Four/All-Trac...
First off, the GT-Four and All-Trac are the same car. All-Trac = USDM - GT-Four = JDM, EDM, UKDM, AUDM.
Also, the 5th gen Celica only had two types of hoods, the standard hood sans-scoop and then the GT-Four/All-Trac hood with the central scoop and two small side vents. There was no difference between GT-Four and All-Trac hoods, as I metioned, they are the same car." :lolhittin

And i know thats not true,the hoods are different the bumpers are different or is that just with the CS edition?, i just want to get some more info b4 i try to re-inform the mis informed

evolution
01-29-2008, 01:13 AM
there were 3 hoods (alltrac scoop, cs/rc/gp.a vent, regular)

the alltrac bumper was an option on the later spec 5th gen gts

what is this local car forum by the way?

Ads28
01-29-2008, 01:15 AM
lol just my small town local car forum, rather not post it so i dont start anything, some guy in my town bought a gt and has plans of "doing it up" so he started a build thread, and theres ppl chiming in with ideas and all this info which i mainly have to correct them on

evolution
01-29-2008, 01:16 AM
ahh okay, I've been looking for a GTA based forum and haven't seen any non-specific ones

Luni
01-29-2008, 01:19 AM
Alltrac is north american for GT-4

Same exact car.

We just dont get the other trims. So youll never see a CS ALLTRAC, youll however see a CS GT4.

Ads28
01-29-2008, 01:36 AM
okies that helps, i pree much answered my own questions as i made this thread as well...only the GT4 came with the CS edition, with the differnt hood,bumper, differently tuned ECU and the WTA intercooler

Gary ST165
01-29-2008, 03:20 AM
Alltrac is north american for GT-4

Same exact car.

We just dont get the other trims. So youll never see a CS ALLTRAC, youll however see a CS GT4.




pretty much agree with what Luni said. ST185 homogolation version rear tail gate badges/decals read as follows:


# The UK & European market : TOYOTA CELICA turbo 4WD Carlos Sainz Limited Edition.

The owner of this car has renoved the Carlos Sainz Limited Edition exterior decal

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185%20CS/3.jpg

# The Japanese market : CELICA GT-FOUR RC

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185%20CS/IMG_1092.jpg

# The Australian market : TOYOTA GT-FOUR GRP A RALLYE

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185%20CS/dsc6984bz7.jpg


However the Limited Edition Plaques that feature on transmission tunnel / under bonnet (hood) are printed Carlos Sainz on all versions.... i think :? >>> i'll dig out some pics and link to photobucket later.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185%20CS/grey9.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185%20CS/t18_CS_backbrochure.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185%20CS/ST185ausGrpAVINplate.jpg



:cool:

Mr Celica
01-29-2008, 03:25 AM
you guys are so darn smart!

Lagos
01-29-2008, 03:35 AM
Here is how I always understood it.

90-93 = alltrac
94+ = GT-Four

Sean
01-29-2008, 03:36 AM
So if you guys are so smart, WHY IS THIS IN OT.

Moving.

Mr Celica
01-29-2008, 03:45 AM
haha

Ads28
01-29-2008, 03:50 AM
haha my bad sorry:P..but yeaa you guys amaze me, thanks for all the info, and yea i always looked at it as the all-trac was the one with the scoop and then the GT4 had the reverse scoop

Gary ST165
01-29-2008, 04:22 AM
ST165 All-trac, Celica turbo 4WD and GT-Four worldwide did not have any bonnet vents, scoops or bonnet spoilers.

ST185 All-trac, Celica turbo 4WD and GT-Four worldwide were made with bonnet scoops and 2 small vents (ATA intercoolers). Only the ST185 wta charge cooler homogolation versions featured the 3 bonnet vents (1 large, 2 small), non functioning cambelt scoop and bonnet spoiler.

ST205 was designated GT-Four in all markets (wta charge cooler) and featured a bonnet vent and non functioning cambelt scoop. Additional bonnet spoiler featured on homogolation version and (UK?) cars.



Not strictly Celica but widely regarded as continuing the GT-Four line up:

ST215 was designated Caldina GT-T (bonnet scoop ATA)

ST246 was designated Caldina GT-Four (bonnet scoop ATA)

VikingJZ
01-29-2008, 04:54 AM
Thanks Sean.

lol

Don't forget about the narrow body GT-4.


Soopa rare

Gary ST165
01-29-2008, 05:22 AM
The narrow body GT-Four Rally (E-ST185-BLMVZ) with close ratio E152F is rare. I know of just 3 imported into the UK.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185/nellboylightweight.jpg



The narrow bodied GT-Four and GT-Four V (E-ST185-BLMVZ) with E150F were produced in larger numbers. Quite a few of the latter types have made there way to the UK.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d38/skintbinlid/ST185/DSC01545.jpg





http://www.gt4dc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2174&highlight=




ST185's:

- GT-Four; narrowbody, ceramic turbine
- GT-Four rally: no electric stuff, narrowbody, short ratio box, 14" steel wheels.
- GT-Four V: (V --> "Veloce" = speed) no electric stuff, narrowbody
- GT-Four A: (A --> "Adovansu" = advanced) widebody, 15", yellow headlights, metal turbine
- GT-Four; widebody, metal turbine (All-trac in US, turbo4wd in Europe)
- GT-Four CS/RC/Grp A Rallye: Top model with the known extra's

I'm working on a specified infopage for my website with all details.



another good link:

http://www.celica.dds.nl/en/celihist.htm

cs363
01-29-2008, 07:31 AM
Regarding the RC etc scoops - actually the cambelt scoop is functional from stock and connects to the cam belt via a small rubber sealed intake on the cam cover, whereas the big vent is non-functional and is covered by the sound deadening panel. Most of the RC's you see around have the sound deadening panel removed - for obvious reasons!

Also interior badging on UK & Japanese models use the same Carlos Sainz plaque, whereas the Aussie Grp A Rallye model has a unique badge.

cs363
01-29-2008, 07:33 AM
Other differences between RC?CS/GrpA models include bigger axles and thicker torque plates slightly different struts than the ATA models.
I keep finding minute differences in quite a few parts on the Rc vs standard.

Conrad_Turbo
01-29-2008, 03:47 PM
What about "Turbo AWD" for the Canadian folks?

PS I'm kidding. :D