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Trance4c
01-19-2008, 03:22 AM
Ok.. since people have been dying for an update with my car.. which, honestly not much has been going on (bills come first and this is not my daily driver so I have the luxury of time, no need to rush anything).

So.. instead of just saying I've got (since it isn't much), I've decided.. I would just take a couple of pictures (as requested in high res lol) so you all can get you own idea :)


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update3.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update2.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update1.jpg

grayscale
01-19-2008, 05:40 AM
Dude, those pics are ridiculous, I can't even get an idea of what I'm looking at.

tuner4life
01-19-2008, 07:18 AM
what the hell is that sketch of????

Pics are wwwwaaaaaaaaayyyy to big. I have a big monitor and I cant even see what they are pics of.

Trance4c
01-19-2008, 05:44 PM
Hey don't blame me! lol.. someone said they never see me post high res stuff an another person had been complaining that I don't post any updates...


sooo..... :bigthumbu


:laugh:

extremeskillz
01-19-2008, 06:24 PM
I think we were better off not getting an update :hehe:. Those pics are rediculous Trance you know better.

Trance4c
01-19-2008, 07:31 PM
I think we were better off not getting an update :hehe:. Those pics are rediculous Trance you know better.


Ya, I know.. I think its more funny than anything else. :bigthumbu

Still.. it is an update an we'll keep hearing ideas before I go telling whats up. :laugh: :zombie:

Sean
01-19-2008, 07:34 PM
Is it a car? lol

Trance4c
01-19-2008, 07:35 PM
Is it a car? lol

haha.. ya, the bottom two pictures are.. the top diagram, that will be bolted on.. construction is already starting to take place. I'll take a shot of that here too.

3sgte@daspeedof
01-19-2008, 07:40 PM
but construction of what?

It looks like your thinking of shaving some weight off of the front end of the car, by redesigning the frame inside of the engine bay, in the process making it easier to remove the engine, but thats just a guess outta left field.

Trance4c
01-19-2008, 07:43 PM
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update4.jpg


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update5.jpg

tuner4life
01-20-2008, 02:53 AM
A mounting brace/bracket for a FMIC????

Trance4c
01-20-2008, 04:21 AM
A good guess.. in the right area now.. but nope.

tuner4life
01-20-2008, 04:42 AM
Ok, I've got it now...

You're trying to design your own C/F undersplitter, or something like it??

Trance4c
01-20-2008, 04:50 AM
Ok, I've got it now...

You're trying to design your own C/F undersplitter, or something like it??


:bigthumbu You win

See.. where the outside edge of the painters tape on the celica.. is soon to be removed. Now imagine

tuner4life
01-20-2008, 05:11 AM
Having a hard time invisioning it. Post pics throughout progress (just a little bit less high res plz).

grayscale
01-20-2008, 06:33 AM
HaHa, those aren't high res, they're supersized! Kinda have to be clean and sharp to be high res;)

Trance4c
01-20-2008, 07:49 AM
HaHa, those aren't high res, they're supersized! Kinda have to be clean and sharp to be high res;)

We appreciate the technical definition... whatever humor / satisfaction was presented, you killed. Congrates lol

grayscale
01-20-2008, 02:41 PM
Glad to be of service!:bigthumbu

Trance4c
01-20-2008, 04:47 PM
Glad to be of service!:bigthumbu

Yes.. so much help :ar: haha

Joeye27
01-20-2008, 11:16 PM
what exactly are u doing? any plans with that bodykit?

Trance4c
01-21-2008, 02:48 AM
what exactly are u doing? any plans with that bodykit?

Ultimately.. but one step at a time. For now, this is all we've got.

Lagos
01-21-2008, 08:44 AM
Nice sketch. Looks like some type of traction bar?

install this...
http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/ImageResizerPowertoySetup.exe
then you can right click on any jpg (or a group of them) and resize them all to a slightly smaller size.

grayscale
01-21-2008, 10:46 AM
^Now that's a handy little tool! Thanks Lagos!

Trance4c
01-21-2008, 04:42 PM
Nice sketch. Looks like some type of traction bar?

install this...
http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/ImageResizerPowertoySetup.exe
then you can right click on any jpg (or a group of them) and resize them all to a slightly smaller size.

Photoshop owns yo

I could have resized them.. but that wasn't part of the humor in it :)

Joeye27
01-21-2008, 06:22 PM
:bigthumbu You win

See.. where the outside edge of the painters tape on the celica.. is soon to be removed. Now imagine

oh i see.. :bigthumbu

Lagos
01-22-2008, 12:28 AM
Photoshop owns yo

I could have resized them.. but that wasn't part of the humor in it :)


Its better then doing it in photoshop because you can quickly do things in a batch by just rightclicking on it. try it out, youll love it.

grayscale
01-22-2008, 02:36 AM
PhotoShop ownz poo, takes forever, I like this new one- quick and easy.

VikingJZ
01-22-2008, 06:18 PM
What are you talking about? I love teh photosh0pzors

Trance4c
01-27-2008, 09:21 PM
ok.. since this thread lost some steam.. an the humor of the HUMONGO images is played out.. i resized them :)

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update3.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update2.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update1.jpg

Lagos
01-27-2008, 10:12 PM
So what exactly are you trying to do?

Trance4c
01-28-2008, 12:29 AM
So what exactly are you trying to do?

Read the thread man.. someone already figured it out.


Do you really not remember me posting this picture?
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/white.jpg

grayscale
01-28-2008, 10:59 AM
Forgive me, I have no idea what an undersplitter is. Any more info?

Trance4c
01-28-2008, 06:31 PM
Forgive me, I have no idea what an undersplitter is. Any more info?

Not a problem - actually this is a number of different areo functions in one. Not only does it act as a splitter, but also an air foil an air dam. Multi-purpose.

A splitter is just that, it is the forward most part of the car that splits air below the car an above into generally the radiator region. The idea of a splitter is to make this transition as smooth as possible without creating drag, we're trying to cut through the air more seemlessly. Also, with many splitters is the extension of it under the front of the bumper, this again acts as a guide to the air continuing the flow into the radiator / front ducts an keeping the air from becoming turbulent. This increases the low pressure zone under the flow of the car, aiding in stability. It literally creates a suction area.

An air dam could also be seen as a splitter.. though I personally don't like to use the two terms together. A splitter is just that. An air dam is an extension of this area downward. This will decrease the amount of air that may travel under the car.. again, increasing the low pressure area under the car. The more air you have travelling under.. the more 'floating' feeling you'll have.

Last is the air foil.. the one I'm creating specifically will be adjustable. In this case the framing of all this is attached to the FRAME OF THE CAR. This is very important, you want to pull on the car.. not the bumper!! The air foil acts as an inverted airplane wing, as the degrees are increased from 0 (level) to 2 degrees.. I will be increasing the amount of distance the air above has to travel to meet back up with the air below. Result? Again, increased low pressure to suck the car down to the ground. This I feel is very important, not only to continue to keep the amount of air passing under the car down (with an air dam) but to also help attribute to the handling characteristics of the car at speed. Since this is a FWD turbo swap, the front end wants to lift an float quite a bit. The air foil is just an extra aid in trying to adjust the front end only.

The purpose of the whole thing is to decrease pressure under the car as a whole an increase functional downforce at the front of the car.

There are also a couple of other very small things I'll be doing to aid in the aero department later on. Once those projects begin, we will discuss them as well. Though the project I've presented is the largest contibutor to aid in the handling of the car.

Trance4c
01-28-2008, 11:53 PM
Alright.. the work continues.. sorry for the dust

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update8.jpg

An over view

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update6.jpg

From here you will be able to see the bracketing for the top of the assembly as its loosely bolted into the frame.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/update7.jpg

On this side the bracket is in an I'm mocking up a template of the area to create the side panel. I have yet to extend the very front lower portion into the bumper cavity.

I also found some very nice cotter pin's at the hardware store :)

More as it comes

grayscale
01-29-2008, 02:00 AM
So what speed to you need to reach for these to begin to affect the handling?

Trance4c
01-29-2008, 02:08 AM
So what speed to you need to reach for these to begin to affect the handling?

I'd say 90-100mph before significant results. I imagine though that even at highway speeds of 60-80mph there will still be mild results. Ultimately.. the minimum speed I expect aid is at 60mph.. an as the speed begins to grow it will only increase.

Keep in mind that the car right now has no lower engine bay covers or air dam, loads of air just floats around everywhere, in fact with the alltrac hood an a front mount the engine bay is one huge air bubble of high pressure. So results will be immediate.

You can see now how coupled with this modification, some speed flaps an blocking the alltrac scope will seriously redirect air flow around the front end of this car. That is why I expect such results at such low speeds, the overall change is fairly dramatic.

Now, if we are talking about a C5 corvette, it already has a lot of these aids, so the gains would be minimal.

extremeskillz
01-29-2008, 02:48 AM
Looking good Trance. question why didnt you go with something like a lip diffusor instead of going this route? I understand the air dynamics stuff but just wondering why go a simple approach to a little bit more involved aproach? Also do you plan to put the paneling back under the car that block the engine bay?

Trance4c
01-29-2008, 03:10 AM
Looking good Trance. question why didnt you go with something like a lip diffusor instead of going this route? I understand the air dynamics stuff but just wondering why go a simple approach to a little bit more involved aproach? Also do you plan to put the paneling back under the car that block the engine bay?

Well, the purpose is to be functional, a lip diffusor.. or lip spoiler is only that. Its for looks, there is no function to that. That pretty much answers why this route. Also, I do plan to create new paneling, all in due time.

Conrad_Turbo
01-29-2008, 04:01 PM
A huge gain would be to go with a CS hood instead of the Alltrac hood with the scoop. The reason for the CS hood design (other than being changed for the ATWIC) is to reduce underhood pressure which resolved cooling problems during rallies. This allows the air to flow through the IC and out of the engine bay instead of being forced under the car along with the air from the hood scoop.

A lip spoiler ultimately creates a low pressure zone right behind it, which is beneficial since it's at the extreme end of the car.

Clayton, keep up the good work. :D

Trance4c
01-29-2008, 04:04 PM
Thanks Conrad...

Also, I have thought about the CS hood from the advantages you outlined, though.. at this point.. I'm really not interested in spending the dough on a CS hood at this point. So I figure blocking the alltrac scoop and the aero mods I'm already doing will be of enough significant aid that I won't want to spend the money on a CS hood... I hope. Besides the fact that I just really don't think a CS hood will look good on this car haha.

Trance4c
01-31-2008, 02:21 AM
Ok.. some work continued.. got a few more materials.. things are moving along nicely. Sorry for the blur in a couple shots.. I dunno haha.. but it doesn't detract from the idea so.. on with the pics...



http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update9.jpg

The front bar has been mocked up keeping in mind the pitch forward to back is level as it will rest when completed.




http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update10.jpg

Just a heads on view of the front bar, should make the bumper edge still fairly seamless.





http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update12.jpg

Part of the reason why it will be nicely seamless is because of the ends. They will be angled an of a cylinder curvature instead of the square material. This will ensure that the front bar sits as far forward as possible so the whole assembly will be flush with the bumper.





http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update11.jpg

A shot of how the square materials turns into the curved material to meet the bumper. Also, this side shows a finished mocked up panel in black.

Now is going to be a matter of taking time an angle measurements. I want to make sure that the whole assembly is level once I have some weight in the engine bay.

Trance4c
02-02-2008, 03:31 AM
Mocking up the front edge an lower forward to rear bar. I'll be able to cut the front lengths as they both will not be perfectly exact, that angle is a bit more contour to the mold of the bumper. Though the rear angles of the assembly will deviate enough to make the lower platform level.. at which point, I have to stop until the engine arrives, I need the weight in the front to be on.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update13.jpg

VikingJZ
02-02-2008, 05:34 AM
Thats tight man. I actually like the orange color too. Seeing these new pictures brings a better mental image of what it looks like all around.

Toy_Celi
02-02-2008, 07:03 AM
Photoshop owns yo

I could have resized them.. but that wasn't part of the humor in it :)

Im sorry your pics werent big enough, do you mind resizing them about 60% more?? lmfao!! (sarcasm)....

Trance4c
02-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Well.. work has continued, the framing is mostly getting done, the side panels have been cut an I did a test fit:

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/21808a.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/21808b.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/21808c.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/21808d.jpg

I have also decided on a different method for attaching the front bar to the end elements that are of a cylinder nature to fit the bumper snuggly.

We'll have more as it keeps going.

Trance4c
02-18-2008, 10:51 PM
priced the carbon fiber I need today: 133.75 + S&H. I'm going with a fairly rigid 1mm thick pieces. These are roughly a tad thicker than a CD seems. Should keep much of the additional assembly light, yet strong.

Cavanagh
02-18-2008, 11:01 PM
Trance, what exactly are you doing with your bumper? I cant tell what the end product is going to look like in my mind.

Trance4c
02-19-2008, 02:02 AM
Trance, what exactly are you doing with your bumper? I cant tell what the end product is going to look like in my mind.

Look up man.. post #31, my car in white. That is what I am aiming toward. What you see is a photoshop of the cut out I made in the bumper, added also planes in the front to simulate the existence of the air foil I'm creating for that area. Its not a credibly complex creation, though a custom one off for the car.

Cavanagh
02-19-2008, 02:47 AM
Oh my bad, i didnt even see page one. :slap: That PS Celica looks pretty mean.

VikingJZ
02-20-2008, 05:00 AM
Very mean.

Only car on here with a body kit that i like.

Ryan
02-20-2008, 10:29 PM
wow...thats a lot of work and fabrication...i hope the end results work out, but it seems like it should..

Trance4c
02-21-2008, 12:12 AM
Thanks, appreciate it. I believe it will turn out nicely. I purchased just the carbon fiber for this project and it was 160 bucks. I'm not trying to cut any corners, I want a very solid and good looking car, so workmanship really does need to be as good as I can get. I hope that when it is done it passes.

celica9303
02-21-2008, 02:58 AM
Looks good where's the motor? Lol. When you get done you should try to get to a wind tuNnel

Ryan
02-21-2008, 01:52 PM
thats an awesome idea....it should look sick!!

VikingJZ
02-21-2008, 03:40 PM
Carbon fiber is expensive mang isn't it?

pitcelica
02-21-2008, 04:20 PM
Do you think that this mod will act on your MPG? Like on trucks, they have a gain in MPG when they use aero parts.

Trance4c
02-21-2008, 06:16 PM
Looks good where's the motor? Lol. When you get done you should try to get to a wind tuNnel

The motor is have a nice massage :) I also don't believe the use of a wind tunnel is all that... important?!? Something tells me it wouldn't matter, thats overkill on a level much farther beyond just basic fluid dynamics.


Carbon fiber is expensive mang isn't it?

Yes, very much so!! But I knew this project was not necessary cheap, nor a bank buster either.


Do you think that this mod will act on your MPG? Like on trucks, they have a gain in MPG when they use aero parts.

very, very doubtful

Trance4c
02-24-2008, 09:08 PM
Work continues...

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update14.jpg

505celicaGT
02-25-2008, 05:43 AM
F11+22 WIDE SCREEN FTWJUICE!!! ! HAHA big plans you got there though =)

Trance4c
02-27-2008, 03:21 AM
Well.. I have gotten about half way through mocking up the rear bar that will run across and mount to the lower radiator support behind the intercooler. Though one thing I didn't expect is that really there is no horizontal level.. the gauge can read high left side, then move it to the lower radiator support and its level, then if you place the gauge along the locking mechanism, it reads high right side haha. Basically, I have replace the original front support to the locking mechanism, bent up the lower radiator support beam with the floor jack and the top is probably correct haha. So.. as much as it might be possible to gauge level vertically, front to rear, its not so easy horizontally, left to right. I figure.. this might not be so much a big deal anyways, as the bumper being a fiberglass product from a mold will probably not be 100% symmetrical either. Still... this tells me I want to build in more clearance for the air foil to go up and down in the rear further than I had planned. Also, it is going to be important to have clear markings for the degree settings. An then even after that, as load changes in the car.. I have a feeling that a passengers weight might be enough to even change the elevation by 1 degree. Interesting enough, as that means I want to build in more clearance for adjustment, it also means I want to focus on less elevation than I thought. Trying to get the air foil set to only 1 degree increase might be exactly what I'm after. Then, it will be horizontally level as much as the bumper is. This has been a very interesting build so far.

Trance4c
03-01-2008, 08:07 PM
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/3108a.jpg
Here I was happy to find out that the vertical front pieces only were off by 1 degree. This makes me pleased because the two sides are almost identically symmetrical in space. This is good :)


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/3108b.jpg

The ends to the front have been put on, this ensures a contour fit to the fiberglass bumper so that the material is as flush as possible.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/3108c.jpg

Here you see that the bottom forward to rear beam is next to be attached to tie this all together. I have ensured the length of all the vertical attachments and 90 degree angles so that we have a perfectly square framing. So far, it has turned out perfectly. The bar you see behind the intercooler is the main rear bar which will attach to the lower radiator support as the rear mounting for this whole assembly.


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/3108d.jpg

Here you can see the rear bar is in place, there are tabs on the bottom that extend to under the radiator support beam where it is bolted in. I will also be doing new lower intercooler mounting tabs to this bar for this location.

Everything so far.. is turning out nicely. There will not be a whole lot more to do until the carbonfiber has arrived. Next will really be focus on building the rear adjustable setup for the air foil in front of the intercooler.

Trance4c
03-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Ok.. so.. work continued again today...

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update15.jpg

A look at the now fit side panel on the drivers side. This has the rear mounting all in place behind the panel and the new rear bar that attaches to the lower radiator support beam and intercooler.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update16.jpg

Again, a look at the same drivers side panel in place from above, here you have a better line of sight to the rear beam. This beam is attached to the rear mounting behind the panel. It might be hard to see the tabs to both the radiator support beam and intercooler, but just look closely. These panels are only one small change left until complete and ready to be mounted.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update17.jpg

Basic same perspective as the last image, just this is the passenger side panel. Again, everything behind it is mocked up and in place.

Trance4c
03-13-2008, 01:06 AM
Alright.. got the sides mounted up. The bracketing sits behind both sides a bit differently, but the holes that are visible are symmetrical.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31208a.jpg


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31208b.jpg


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31208c.jpg


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31208d.jpg


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31208e.jpg

This is almost the finish of the mock up. Not much left to go. The carbon fiber was shipped yesterday, so should have that shortly as well.

Trance4c
03-13-2008, 09:58 PM
Sweet.. the carbon fiber arrived today:

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/carbon2.jpg


http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/carbon1.jpg

85gtsblackman
03-14-2008, 01:22 AM
i think im going to have to pay you a visit, love what you have done so far.

Trance4c
03-14-2008, 01:41 AM
Yes... you will :)

Here are a couple of mock up pics with the carbon fiber, just to see how it looks. The front it longer than it is meant to be downward, there is 3" of it right now which is going to be made into 3 different 1" wide. The front over hangs just a bit, another cut is needed there as well.

In the mean time, this is the closest now to seeing what we're going for here:

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/carbon3.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/carbon4.jpg

Trance4c
03-16-2008, 10:20 PM
Did some more mock up fitting now with the skirt donated by a Mazda haha.

Everything needs some lovin' still, but things are really starting to move forward. I think I'm just now getting over about half way done.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31608a.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31608b.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31608c.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/31608d.jpg

jason
03-16-2008, 11:28 PM
O shits, I just caught this thread. Very nice Conrad, glad to see you taking it to the next step with something very original for our cars. Keep the updates coming, I can't wait to see how sexy this thing turns out!!

Trance4c
03-17-2008, 12:11 AM
O shits, I just caught this thread. Very nice Conrad, glad to see you taking it to the next step with something very original for our cars. Keep the updates coming, I can't wait to see how sexy this thing turns out!!


I'm not Conrad foo.. this is all my own one off work knucklehead.

cms-gt4
03-17-2008, 01:24 AM
I am very interested to see what turns out. I always thought the center section of that bumper is what kept me from liking it.

Cavanagh
03-17-2008, 03:44 AM
I'm not Conrad foo.. this is all my own one off work knucklehead.
:laugh:
I love the CF, looks awesome Trance!

Conrad_Turbo
03-17-2008, 02:43 PM
I'm not Conrad foo.. this is all my own one off work knucklehead.

:laugh:

Sean
03-18-2008, 02:18 AM
Cool stuff!

Would be cool if you made a one inch lip around the bottom of the bumper in carbon as well :)

jason
03-18-2008, 03:09 AM
Can't believe I posted "Conrad"....Clayton was meant....both begin with "C"s, that's all I have in my defense :bigthumbu

Trance4c
03-18-2008, 01:08 PM
Cool stuff!

Would be cool if you made a one inch lip around the bottom of the bumper in carbon as well :)

Ya, it would.. but I'm already worried about how well the carbon fiber I already have will hold up. I'll be setting it all up and having the sheets cleared to build up the panel somewhat, this will also allow it to be refinished as it ages. I think more would just be in a better spot to get hurt, thats why I've opted for the valiance piece from a junkyard Mazda. That ABS plastic will give and take small rocks a lot better than the carbon fiber will, for a much better price haha. Right now that valiance looks like hell.. I'll be working on it to clean it up and it will be painted to match the rest of the assembly in black.



Can't believe I posted "Conrad"....Clayton was meant....both begin with "C"s, that's all I have in my defense :bigthumbu


:yes: uhrmm hmmm.. thats what you say now :bigthumbu

Conrad_Turbo
03-18-2008, 10:18 PM
Clay where'd you buy the CF from? Price?

Trance4c
03-19-2008, 01:38 AM
Clay where'd you buy the CF from? Price?

It came from RobotMarket place on teh web haha.. they don't even do cuts this large, but I was able to get them to do it for me :)

It was way to much though.. but for knowing exactly what I was getting, it had to be done. It was 160 to my door for the two cuts 32" long.

extremeskillz
03-19-2008, 01:55 AM
Its turning out nice. keep it up

Conrad_Turbo
03-19-2008, 03:05 PM
It came from RobotMarket place on teh web haha.. they don't even do cuts this large, but I was able to get them to do it for me :)

It was way to much though.. but for knowing exactly what I was getting, it had to be done. It was 160 to my door for the two cuts 32" long.

Ya small qty of something sure adds up quick hey? I bought some Ti sheet a while back for a project...2sqft of the stuff cost me $340. :laugh:

Keep posting pics, I'm always waiting for new ones. :D

Trance4c
03-19-2008, 03:37 PM
Well.. I'm slowing the pace a bit here.

I plan to purchase a nice scroll saw so that I may cut these CF panels myself. With that, I'm going to be making a jig so that I can set these panels in and have a very nice straight cut.

In the meantime.. I'll just be cleaning up the ABS plastic valiance and begin priming and painting the side panels and framing assembly. There are some spots that I do intend to create some smaller paneling, just to help funnel a tid bit more into the radiator vs under the car.

I also intend to create a flat bottom piece under the bumper of the car.. that is around the corner. I have decided it will be best to do this now while still in the middle of this project. So that is an added component I wasn't planning on doing quite yet, but with the delay in ensuring some good cuts in the carbon fiber.. its as good a time as any. I will do the mock up and then that puts me in a better position for this later.

I have also been talking with a friend of mine that is a body/paint guy. He is always very helpful and has agreed to clear the panels to thicken them up a bit. I intend to do all cutting and drill holes for it to be mounted prior to this, that helps keep the clear envelope all the edges of the panel.

So.. some things will be slowing down a bit, so the progress might not look so drastic in the next couple of weeks. I'm also anticipating an engine arrival here shortly from CRW. So all depending on when things arrive, could slow me down a bit more.

Either way, I'm not rushing.. I figure there is still a few months worth of work here.

85gtsblackman
03-23-2008, 01:26 AM
so what are you doing monday and tuesday evening i may roll by your place if thats ok with you, pm me your cell again if you can i got another phone and lost half my contacts.

Trance4c
03-23-2008, 06:14 AM
Thats cool man, I'm usually home some time after 6:30pm from work. Drop by for a few man.

Trance4c
03-23-2008, 08:48 PM
well.. I did finish the framing today. The front adjusts just perfectly. I will be getting involved with the skirt mounting here shortly.

A couple with the flash..
http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/32308a.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/32308b.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/32308c.jpg

A few with just the natural lighting

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/32308d.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/32308e.jpg

Trance4c
03-25-2008, 11:31 PM
Ok, well I've been sitting on this one in my head for awhile on how the front bar is going together.

I had to put it down on paper because there is a lot all going together here haha. Over the week I will probably have all the cuts and holes drilled. We'll see...

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/frontbarsetup.jpg

partyball
03-28-2008, 04:54 AM
Wow i remember when i talked to you about doing this when I first joined Ctech. Glad to see you are putting it into action. Its gonna look great and you have already made great progress.

Conrad_Turbo
03-28-2008, 03:01 PM
I love your 3D sketches man. :D

Trance4c
03-28-2008, 03:38 PM
I love your 3D sketches man. :D

Ah.. those are nothing. You should see my huge full page exploded view of a full 3S-GTE with intake mani, turbo, cams, crank, etc.. I did that one bored in class back when I was getting my Bachelors haha.

These are just 5 minute blah blah sketches lol

Trance4c
04-03-2008, 01:37 AM
Ah.. just working on the front bar a bit.. I've mounted the skirt, looks good.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/4208.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/4208a.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/4208b.jpg

Now I really do need to get around to cutting this carbon fiber.. checking into that...

Conrad_Turbo
04-03-2008, 04:29 PM
I'd recommend taping on both sides of where you plan on cutting and cutting it with a bandsaw, I don't think the fibers will like the reciprocating action of a jigsaw. However I can't say I've ever cut CF of fiberglass before, just imagining what it would do when a jigsaw got too close to it. :hehe:

Trance4c
04-03-2008, 07:27 PM
Ya, I've consulted a number of CF producers and it seems the perferred way to cut CF is a scroll saw. (jig, scale.. whatever) I thought the same thing to! The back and forth motion, but apparently its at a high enough speed and the strands hold their strength and don't split. Now, you could have a messy cut if you don't lay down some painters tape, that will also keep the clear from cracking into semi-circle chips.

I'm actually thinking about going with scoring the CF continually until it cuts through. I went with a 1mm thick sheet as I'm going to build up the material with additional professional clearcoats, but before thats done.. this isn't all that thick. If I took enough time and didn't rush it, I think it might be just as easy to have a metal guide (built out of my metal scraps haha) and just continue scoring the material until it slices. This idea was brought up by another individual in the CF industry after he asked me how thick the material was. I thought it was probably a good idea, just have to be patient no matter how I go about it.

tuner4life
04-04-2008, 03:31 AM
I wonder if you could cut it with a pizza cutter type roller. I have no experience cutting carbon fiber, but maybe if it's sharp enough, you could roll it back and forth against a straight edge and it might cut through w/o ripping anything up.

Just an Idea.

Trance4c
04-04-2008, 02:05 PM
I wonder if you could cut it with a pizza cutter type roller. I have no experience cutting carbon fiber, but maybe if it's sharp enough, you could roll it back and forth against a straight edge and it might cut through w/o ripping anything up.

Just an Idea.

haha.. thats an idea, but its no match to a good razor blade.

Conrad_Turbo
04-04-2008, 06:35 PM
Ya, I've consulted a number of CF producers and it seems the perferred way to cut CF is a scroll saw. (jig, scale.. whatever) I thought the same thing to! The back and forth motion, but apparently its at a high enough speed and the strands hold their strength and don't split. Now, you could have a messy cut if you don't lay down some painters tape, that will also keep the clear from cracking into semi-circle chips.


I guess I keep envisioning very coarse blades that would just tear it apart, I guess a fine pitch blade would work perfectly fine.

Never thought of a razor...definate note to self. :D

Trance4c
04-04-2008, 06:54 PM
We will really find out this weekend I hope.. if not, its gunna be a couple weeks. I gotta go to Pittsburgh next weekend for my brothers wedding, then Atlanta for a week or more for work.

If the razor blade (which.. I got a super dupa nice one, Home Depot = runs my projects) doesn't work, my friend JP has a scroll saw I can try to borrow. I might not have the time to get over to his place and get it this weekend though. If that happens, it will still be a delay.

Trance4c
04-06-2008, 02:12 AM
Sweet.. Already have one cut done, the razor and scoring the material worked really well! Only one more cut left to go.

Trance4c
04-22-2008, 02:50 AM
Nope.. this project is not dead.. I just returned from my brothers wedding and being out of town for a week.

This project is starting to get to its final stages.. First though, we need some pieces cut for the top foil as that is the last piece to be attached completely.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update18.jpg

I wasn't overly concerned with the square'ness of these as they'll never be seen. These will give us an object to secure to the main foil with a horizontal threaded rod we will be able to adjust through the side sheet metal panels. It might not make all that much sense yet ;)

Trance4c
04-23-2008, 01:29 AM
Things are coming together... not the clearest pics, was moving to much.

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update20.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update21.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update22.jpg

Trance4c
04-27-2008, 05:59 PM
95% Complete

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update23.JPG

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update24.JPG

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update25.JPG

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update26.JPG

Only one small flaw really, when installing a guide pin on the right driver side, the fiberglass around the hole as the drill went through broke up a bit, not a very pretty hole. The other side went a lot better first, I had done pilot holes and was not rushing to avoid that kind of splintering of the fiberglass.. but, its repairable and not a serious issue. Those kinds of things can always be touched up later. Only need to mount on the bottom of the top foil the guide rails over to the side which will keep that from flexing as air goes over. Then it is maybe a couple of tweaks and this is done.

Trance4c
04-27-2008, 06:33 PM
Just one more..

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/evo/update27.JPG

I know, looks kinda funny with the front end so high, but.. eh.. I'm having fun.

Ryan
05-01-2008, 01:14 AM
dude you are one really creative mofo....that is bad as hell.....

celica9303
06-08-2008, 04:28 AM
Anymore progress?

Trance4c
06-08-2008, 05:04 AM
Anymore progress?

Nothing right now as I'm about done putting the engine all back in. There is really very little left to be done with this project though, so for the most part it is complete. The only parts are a few more pieces that allow anchored down at whatever adjustment angle its set at. Nothing that is even visible at this point, so what you see is practically the final version.

celica9303
08-11-2008, 11:50 PM
Any closer to being done? I been following your engine thead so I know about the Misfortune withe the rom tune glad you got that figured out though

Trance4c
08-12-2008, 12:11 AM
Yep.. infact, I should give a review already.

Since the car has been up and running, the car has been at speed multiple times.. 80-90mph. So far, no ill effects to the structure, air dam or foil.

Overall the car feels more stable, the front does not have a floating feeling one bit! I believe this is mainly due to the air dam, extending the volume of the bumper downward toward the ground, diverting that much more air around the car instead of under it.

I still do have to finish up the adjustable mounting pieces for the foil, as of right now it has stayed level. I'll get those done and will be trying my best to get it within 1-2+ degree's.

For the most part though, this modification has come to a close. I'm extremely pleased with how well it is holding up and the effect it makes on the drivability of the car.

Oh ya, and just about everyone to see the car was OMGWTFBBQ all over it. I had taken the car to a local meet up for the first time. It attracted a lot of attention, from C5 Z06 owners to everyone else, they wanted to know more and the overall reaction was extremely positive. I believe this esthetically modification has changed the appeal of the car greatly. Again, I'm very pleased. I have as of yet to meet someone that has anything bad to say, response has increased greatly to this car.


Now.. just to replace the orange paint job lol. Then it will be getting there :bigthumbu

Lagos
08-12-2008, 07:51 AM
Seems I forgot to check this thread for a while, but that looks really good! Gives the car a very unique and good look.

celica9303
08-12-2008, 08:28 PM
I like the orange....0any final pics?

Trance4c
02-04-2009, 03:41 AM
I hadn't realized is has now been about a year this has been done. So far, everything has held up very nicely! I've taken the car to some pretty good speeds and so far no issues. The carbon fiber has scratched, but that has been expected. I didn't really take to many 'finished' pics, I always intended to post some later that others took. Usually they are better pictures than I take..

so.. about one year on and this is still holding up!

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/oneyear/SRAfterHours031.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/oneyear/SiblingRivary027.jpg

http://www.celicatech.com/trance4c/oneyear/jacksonvilleoct08-1057.jpg


The car does act much better, you can tell it has an obviously less amount on front end wander. This still isn't exactly to my liking, the car still needs more tendency to suck down on the road at speed. I am going to start gathering materials for some flat bottom end pieces here shortly.

balang_479
02-04-2009, 04:59 PM
Well with a splitter that small and the fact that you have an air dam under the splitter isnt going to do anything... the splitter to work needs to be the most bottom part of the car with the air dam on top and be large... like 10 times that to notice a small difference in downforce, it looks good but has no aerodynamic gain...

Trance4c
02-04-2009, 06:06 PM
Well with a splitter that small and the fact that you have an air dam under the splitter isnt going to do anything... the splitter to work needs to be the most bottom part of the car with the air dam on top and be large... like 10 times that to notice a small difference in downforce, it looks good but has no aerodynamic gain...


If you say so :bigthumbu