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5gen91st
01-07-2008, 02:26 PM
yeah so i was taking my front tires off of my 91 st and i found out that they are 4 lug? i always thought all the celicas were 5 lugs?

alltracman78
01-07-2008, 02:57 PM
90/91 STs were 4 lug.

5gen91st
01-07-2008, 08:37 PM
ahhh okay well thank you sir

celicaGT90_05
01-07-2008, 08:54 PM
yeah they mostly are except for those ST's, but if you wanted you could always convert

celicatrd93
01-07-2008, 09:24 PM
yeah my 93 is a 5 lug.....

5gen91st
01-07-2008, 09:45 PM
yeah the conversions are pretty expensive arent they?

alltracman78
01-07-2008, 10:18 PM
4 hubs, 4 lugnuts [for the extra 4 studs you now have] and 4 wheels, plus labor to install.

You also should replace all 4 wheel bearings because it's not a good idea to press all or part of a bearing off and back on again.
Plus of course the seals for all 4.

5gen91st
01-08-2008, 04:54 AM
yeah well im pretty sure i could figure out how to do the conversion. well what do i do if i am looking for some rims one websites and they say they only come in 5 lug for celicas?

Murgatroy
01-08-2008, 10:19 AM
All Celicas up until `86 where 4 lug. `86-`89 All ST and GT where 4 Lug with GT-S and Alltrac being 5 Lug. `90-`91 ST where 4 Lug, all other trim levels were 5 Lug. `92+ All Celicas were 5 Lug.

To do the conversion from 4 Lug to 5 Lug you will need the brake assemblies and hubs from a 5 lug donor car. It is a fairly straight forward swap. If you stay within the same year it is basically a bolt on affair. You can also upgrade to a rear disc as well. I am planning this swap in the next couple of months for my 4th Gen.

If you are staying with 4 Lugs, you will want a 4x100 bolt pattern, it is rather common, it is the same as the Mk I MR2 and the Corollas. I have found that a 7" wide wheel with a 38mm offset brings the front flush with the narrow body fenders. The rears are set in about a 1/2".

celicaGT90_05
01-08-2008, 01:17 PM
yeah well im pretty sure i could figure out how to do the conversion. well what do i do if i am looking for some rims one websites and they say they only come in 5 lug for celicas?

then you look for 4 lug if you arent gonna convert lol I know the 5 lug is 5x100, Im not sure what the 4 lug is but my guess is 4x100

extremeskillz
01-08-2008, 01:35 PM
then you look for 4 lug if you arent gonna convert lol I know the 5 lug is 5x100, Im not sure what the 4 lug is but my guess is 4x100

4x100 is correct.

hobbie2k
01-08-2008, 06:18 PM
Is there a specific reason why you want 5 lugs? Are you planning on putting some major power down or do you want the rear disc? Is it because there's a 5 lug wheel you want? Or is it just because 5 > 4?

If it's just the wheels, I say look around for a 4 lug variant. If your ST is otherwise stock you won't see any real advantage with the swap.

To do it right you'ld need all the hub components and new wheels/tires, plus you should probably replace the bearings since you're there anyway, and you should probably do the rear disc conversion too, and things start getting complicated...

5gen91st
01-08-2008, 09:17 PM
well im hoping to swap her sometime within the next 2 months with a 3sgte =)
and i also cant find any 4lugs i like and the 5 lugs would help with the engine swap and im working on figuring out how to convert the drum breaks and what not

Corey Darling
01-08-2008, 11:07 PM
the WRC GT4 is 4 lug. Anyone know why?

Gary
01-09-2008, 03:50 AM
the WRC GT4 is 4 lug. Anyone know why?
Lighter car and faster to remove wheel

alltracman78
01-09-2008, 05:08 AM
^
Correct.
The studs are stronger than normal 4 lug ones though I believe.

5gen91st
01-09-2008, 02:48 PM
okay well since my buddy has a gts totalled he said he can give me whatever i need...so my question is what do i need to do the conversion?

hobbie2k
01-09-2008, 06:14 PM
well im hoping to swap her sometime within the next 2 months with a 3sgte =)
and i also cant find any 4lugs i like and the 5 lugs would help with the engine swap and im working on figuring out how to convert the drum breaks and what not

Okay, then it'll probalby be worth it. I thought you just wanted it for the wheels. :)

5gen91st
01-09-2008, 08:48 PM
yeah sorry i guess what i tried to say earlier came out wrong hah but yeah i just want it for the 3sgte swap sooo any ideas what all i would need to make it happen?

hobbie2k
01-11-2008, 06:32 PM
I would just hold onto the whole donor car till the project is done. You'll need the bearings, hubs, studs, rotors, rear calipers and lines, and wheels for sure. You'll probably also need the GTS's brake booster and master cylinder, along with whatever the part is that proportions braking force front/rear.

I know that the drum to disc conversion for Accords also requires you to change over several of the rear suspension components (it's easier just to swap the entire suspension than just the hubs). I'm not sure if Celicas are the same way...

5gen91st
01-16-2008, 10:57 PM
okay well thanks im probably going to go get some of those parts in a next couple of days, does anyone know anyone on here who has done a conversion like this?