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partyball
12-03-2007, 04:55 PM
Im pretty set on buyin a 7th gen celica. I know i want the GTS with a six speed. I know that in one year (2002?) Toyota lowered the rev limiter and limited top end performance. What else should I look for when buying one. Im hoping some 7th gen owners can help me here. thanks

85gtsblackman
12-03-2007, 10:28 PM
pssssst, just swap your car

partyball
12-03-2007, 10:29 PM
Yea trust me I want to but im savin that for after i get outta college.

celicatrd93
12-03-2007, 10:34 PM
well i know 2000 was the fastest year. only 2002 came with the revlimiter so landing in lift is not as easy as the other years. after 02 as in 03 and up they changed it back but they have a drive by wire on the throttle body which is a little harder to put a piggyback on such as a apex power pc. i am probably missing out on the a little more things....which some one else can help out with..

as in apperance the 03+up have a different looking front bumper,taillights,gauge cluster and some come with black interior and i think some options of two tone interior, and the trunk handle comes with a liitle bit of chrome once again i think i am missing out a thing or two. so far that what comes in mind other members could help out. as in luni,vip and nothingspecialyet own 7th gens..

94st3sgte
12-04-2007, 02:16 AM
yeah my old celica was a 2000 GTS 6 speed, by far they are the fastest years, and mods can get u into the low 14's just na, I blew mine up though cause i misshifted which is very often for gts owners to do that, o ya plus u gotta do lift bolt maintaince, besides that u will love the car, and its a blast, and soon once u join newcelica.org the big talk is can u land lift, and u better start learning, lol, just a cai, headers, st shifter, exhaust, and I good drive can get u into the low 14's, I ran a 14.2 with intake, exhaust, headers, st shifter, 1/4 gas, no spare tire and jack, and u probally gotta drop it at 5kish, and bang gears hard, lol, have fun

celica91gts
12-04-2007, 04:26 AM
i hear their tyranny's are like glass.... and 94st3gste... if these engine blow up just from mis shifting at red line... id be kinda scared to get one. i was interested in 7th gens until my friends tranny went out 3 months after she got it.

partyball
12-04-2007, 04:27 AM
Yea i heard the early celicas had shifting problems but read somewhere you can fix that. Forget how though

geebes
12-04-2007, 05:18 AM
pssssst, just swap your car
x2...not a big fan of the 7th gens. :wedge:

Cavanagh
12-04-2007, 05:34 AM
x2...not a big fan of the 7th gens. :wedge:
And cheaper/faster :)

But do what you want. Good luck on your investment.

partyball
12-04-2007, 06:44 AM
Thanks I would do the swap but i cant afford to have my car off the road or have the time to do the swap so im savin it for when i actually have money and time and another car. Swap would have been my preferred choice though. Thanks for the input

MCcelica
12-04-2007, 08:01 AM
The 7th gen has the same rules apply to it as any other car. If you don't drive like a retard, you won't blow your tranny. My white '00 gts has 154k on it already. Yes, the tranny is a tid bit sensitive, but you can't be afraid of ruining it. The only way you're going to learn how to shift at 7800rpm is if you do it from time to time. When downshifting, the car will let you know if you're doing something it doesn't like by grinding a bit here and there. But once you learn what she's like it will be fine. I daily drive mine spiritedly. Just not like a retard. On the other hand if I need to really romp on it and change over at 7800rpm, I know how to make 'er do it without bitchin. :hehe: She's a wicked fun daily driver man. IMHO, completly worthy of being called a celica.

partyball
12-04-2007, 08:03 AM
Yea im not worried about not bein satisfied with performance. i drove my buddys 01 gts 6sp and was impressed with how it took off. Definately alot faster than my 5s lol.

94st3sgte
12-04-2007, 11:58 AM
yeah, there trannys are like glass, but if u just need a fun ride, and not worried about racing alot, u should be just fine

celica91gts
12-04-2007, 04:30 PM
And cheaper/faster :)

But do what you want. Good luck on your investment.

i actually love how the 7th gen feels. when driving it i feel like im driving a civic because it feels so much lighter and nimble. my 5th gen gts feels like a tank compared to it.

MCcelica
12-04-2007, 06:00 PM
^Dude, tell me about it! It rides like a luxury car its so smooth, but when you want/need to take a corner at a bazillion miles an hour you just kind of magically end up exactly where you wanted to be.

vip09
12-04-2007, 06:09 PM
The 7th gen has the same rules apply to it as any other car. If you don't drive like a retard, you won't blow your tranny. My white '00 gts has 154k on it already. Yes, the tranny is a tid bit sensitive, but you can't be afraid of ruining it. The only way you're going to learn how to shift at 7800rpm is if you do it from time to time. When downshifting, the car will let you know if you're doing something it doesn't like by grinding a bit here and there. But once you learn what she's like it will be fine. I daily drive mine spiritedly. Just not like a retard. On the other hand if I need to really romp on it and change over at 7800rpm, I know how to make 'er do it without bitchin. :hehe: She's a wicked fun daily driver man. IMHO, completly worthy of being called a celica.


Do you have a 2002 ECU or something? The 2000-2001 models should rev to 8350rpms. My 2001 revs to 8350.

vip09
12-04-2007, 06:16 PM
The transmissions are fine. You hear about people's synchros going out all the time because you have to shift gears so fast to land in lift on the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts it wears the synchros out after a while. If you shift like a normal person, the transmission will last forever. The transmission in my car has about 165k miles on it.. no problems.

You may run into problems if you are making insane amounts of power. Monkeywrench racing shattered 3rd gear on the drag strip making 680-700whp in their drag GTS. The stock 6speed is holding up fine in their 550whp shop GTS.

vip09
12-04-2007, 06:31 PM
Here are the differences between the different model year 7th gen GTS.


Mid-Late 1999: The earliest cars made had the lift conversion set at 6000rpms. Rev limiter is 8350rpms.

2000: Lift conversion is raised to 6200rpms. Rev limiter remains at 8350rpms.

2001: All 2001 models are identical to 2000 models.

2002: As a response to the mass amount of people miss-shifting their transmission and blowing the engine, Toyota redesigned the 6-speed transmission to have wider shift gates to reduce miss-shifts. Toyota also lowered the rev limiter to 7800rpms to reduce over-revs caused by miss-shifts. The "Action Package" TRD body kit becomes available in 2002.

2003: The 2003 model has DBW (Drive By Wire). There is no longer a cable thottle. The rev limiter is raised back to 8350rpms. Toyota also redesigned the front bumper and tail lights. There are also a few interior changes: Interior is black instead of gray; radio, clock, a/c control lights are all amber instead of green to match the gauge cluster. HID headlights are now available from Toyota.

2004: The 2004 model is identical to the 2003 model. The Tsunami body kit replaces the "Action Package" TRD kit.

2005:The rev limiter is lowered back to 7800rpms. Everything else is the same as the 2004 model.

donteatbugs
12-04-2007, 06:35 PM
so what does 8350 feel like?

vip09
12-04-2007, 07:16 PM
so what does 8350 feel like?

Like hitting a brick wall.. considering it is the rev limiter.

partyball
12-04-2007, 08:33 PM
So I want to look for a 99-01 or 03-04 celica considering the revlimiter. 03-04 would be better though because of the shift gate upgrades rite?

Cavanagh
12-04-2007, 09:15 PM
AND you can get HIDs :wiggle:

wizzards581
12-04-2007, 09:42 PM
no one mention lift bolts being broken in early models. i believe its fixed in '03 and available for matrix/vibe...

my bro-n-laws 05 corolla xrs has less then 30k miles.. he already had toyota replace a new tranny under warranty.

celica91gts
12-04-2007, 09:48 PM
maybe im just a n00b at driving but ive never heard what land in lift is. can anyone clarify? and about drive by wire or w/e. i hear it's not a good thing. why not?

partyball
12-04-2007, 10:22 PM
Yea i knew about the lift bolts but from what ive heard they arent hard or expensive to fix.

partyball
12-04-2007, 10:23 PM
Yea i knew about the lift bolts but from what ive heard they arent hard or expensive to fix.

And land in lift is shifting so that when you go from 1st-2nd gear or 2nd-3rd etc you land your RPMs back at or above 6200 where the VVTL-i starts working

vip09
12-05-2007, 01:25 AM
Yea i knew about the lift bolts but from what ive heard they arent hard or expensive to fix.


My lift bolts took about 30min to replace and cost around $1 from the dealer for the bolts. Very easy.

MCcelica
12-05-2007, 01:33 AM
Do you have a 2002 ECU or something? The 2000-2001 models should rev to 8350rpms. My 2001 revs to 8350.

No, I have the 2000 ECU. 7800 is just where the redline is. I don't take it up into redline... much. :cool:

celica91gts
12-05-2007, 01:35 AM
Yea i knew about the lift bolts but from what ive heard they arent hard or expensive to fix.

And land in lift is shifting so that when you go from 1st-2nd gear or 2nd-3rd etc you land your RPMs back at or above 6200 where the VVTL-i starts working

ahhh, is it hard to do? just shift fast right?

vip09
12-05-2007, 01:47 AM
maybe im just a n00b at driving but ive never heard what land in lift is. can anyone clarify? and about drive by wire or w/e. i hear it's not a good thing. why not?


Lift is Toyota's version of vtec. Each camshaft has two different profiles on it. Under 6200rpms the engine is using the low end lobes that make more power in lower rpms and give better gas mileage. At 6200rpms the engine switches over to the high end profile lobes that make much more power in the higher rpm range.

Let's say you shift at 8000rpms in 1st gear and land at 5800rpms in 2nd gear. You would be out of lift where there is much less power. You would have to wait another 400rpms to get into the power band.


I'm not a fan of Drive By Wire. The computer determines what is 100% throttle rather than a throttle cable. Only 2000-2002 models w/o drive by wire can use Apexi Power FC which is needed if you are planning on doing any kind of tuning with the car.

celica91gts
12-05-2007, 02:18 AM
i thought toyota's version of vtec was called vvt / vvti / vvtli

wizzards581
12-05-2007, 03:09 AM
vvti is jus a fuel economy technology where it retards/advance timing during acceleration to get best mpg w/ power as well. vvti is just intake side as dual vvti is both intake and exhuast side. the VVT-Li is the close version to the i-VTEC. the V-TEC version of honda motors didnt have the retard/advance timing on the cams.

wizzards581
12-05-2007, 03:12 AM
Let's say you shift at 8000rpms in 1st gear and land at 5800rpms in 2nd gear. You would be out of lift where there is much less power. You would have to wait another 400rpms to get into the power band.





if that case, pump the clutch so it will jump to 6200 for lift... :bigthumbu at least i would...

MCcelica
12-05-2007, 03:23 AM
vvti is jus a fuel economy technology where it retards/advance timing during acceleration to get best mpg w/ power as well. vvti is just intake side as dual vvti is both intake and exhuast side. the VVT-Li is the close version to the i-VTEC. the V-TEC version of honda motors didnt have the retard/advance timing on the cams.

Qft.

celica91gts
12-05-2007, 03:41 AM
if that case, pump the clutch so it will jump to 6200 for lift... :bigthumbu at least i would...

i like clutch kicking a lot. but its not a good way to get a launch down as it give you too much wheel spin. members on this board have told me to quit kicking the clutch and just find a good launch rpm.

vip09
12-05-2007, 04:50 AM
vvti is jus a fuel economy technology where it retards/advance timing during acceleration to get best mpg w/ power as well. vvti is just intake side as dual vvti is both intake and exhuast side. the VVT-Li is the close version to the i-VTEC. the V-TEC version of honda motors didnt have the retard/advance timing on the cams.


I think you might confuse people into thinking that it's controlling ignition timing. VVT-i controls the cam degree angle. It's like having electronically adjustable cam gears that are adjustable on the fly. On a normal engine you can only adjust the cam gears to one spec. With a VVT-i engine, you can tell the cams what degree you want them to be at whatever RPM. It's infinitely variable.

wizzards581
12-05-2007, 04:13 PM
at least we know theres no distributor to worry about and throw away those timing guns.

celica91gts
12-06-2007, 12:30 AM
7th gens also have timing chains so no having to worry about changing the timing belt. :bigthumbu

partyball
12-07-2007, 04:37 PM
Here is a possible candidate for me to buy tell me what you guys think

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