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ccsouls
10-23-2007, 12:09 AM
I am using an E153 LSD from a 1993 Camry V6 on my JDM 3SGTE swap into a 1993 GT Coupe.

My question is; will the MR2 E153 LSD inner Stub/Jack axle work on the Camry E153 LSD transmission, or am I forced to find a Camry Stub axle?

Camry's Stubs are proving hard to find.

I have the entire project completed (Thanks to Dr. Tweak) and need this last piece to be finished.

Thanks.

Luni
10-23-2007, 12:23 AM
MR2 inner stubs work.

I actually have a set. Sell it to you for 100 bux shipped.

Theyre off a 91 MR2 turbo with a NON LSD tranny.

Luni
10-23-2007, 02:44 AM
Theres another guy over on the MR2OC that wants them too, so if you dont reply back soon, Im gonna sell them. I need the money.

ccsouls
10-23-2007, 09:09 PM
If your's are non-LSD, then they likely won't work on mine as it is a LSD.

I don't want to lose my LSD. Won't that be lost if I use yours?

Thank you anyway.

Luni
10-23-2007, 09:34 PM
No, the driver side stub wont necessarily work. Youd have to have it machined to fit. The LSD stub has a longer spline than the non lsd stub.

Ok, no worries then.

Are you sure you have LSD? Camry trannys dont have LSD in them.

ccsouls
10-24-2007, 02:59 PM
Yes, I'm sure it is LSD. I had it tested by a transmission specialist.

The Camry V6 Manual was LSD.

Thanks anyway.

Would you happen to know if the MR2 Turbo Inners will work on the Camry?

Luni
10-24-2007, 07:45 PM
They work dude.

An E153 is an E153.

However I still dont think any Camrys had stock LSD in them dude.

Take a picture of the inside of the tranny through one of the axle holes.

Is there a bar in there or not?

ccsouls
10-25-2007, 09:01 PM
Thanks. That should make it much easier to find one.

The local Toyota dealer told me they were different part numbers, so he thought there was some difference between the MR2 one and the Camry one. I am very relieved to hear that is not the case. (Dealer techs are so ignorant at times)

Dr. Tweak seemed to think the MR2 one would not work stating "it is on the wrong side", but I may have misunderstood him.

I will try to get you a picture, but at present it is already back in the car attached to the 3SGTE. I have an axle from a junk yard in CO coming this week, so when it arrives I will take it back out there and get you a picture.

I very much appreciate your help.

Luni
10-25-2007, 10:04 PM
Everything sits in the same place for MR2 or camry. My turbo is on the side closest to the front, my intake manifold is on the side closest to the back. My tranny sits on the driver side of the car just like a normal FWD car.

Only difference on an MR2 is my engine is behind me instead of in front. Nothing is backward or on the wrong side.

The axles work. No doubt about it.

But if you want to be certain you have a factory E153 with LSD, check for presence of the bar. No bar, no LSD. Not stock at least.

ccsouls
10-25-2007, 11:26 PM
Will do.

Thank you very much.

I will let you know what I find.

ccsouls
10-28-2007, 04:40 AM
My transmission does have the bar you mentioned.

You can also physically feel the double layer splines of the LSD.

FYI.

Thank you for your interest.

mister2dt
10-29-2007, 07:29 AM
having the bar does not imply you have an lsd. i have had several NON LSD toyota trannys with the bar. i have one in my garage right now that i know for f act is non lsd and has the bar thru it. i have a factory e153 known lsd tranny as well that doesn't have the bar.

that is not a good gauge of wether or not its lsd, because wtih the toyota tranny's some do and some don't. and as for the "double layer splines" my s54 NON LSD n/a tranny has them as well.

there were a total of ZERO camrys and/or solara's sold with lsd from the factory. it wasn't ans still isn't an option. you don't have an lsd tranny, unless its a bizarro aftermarket lsd.

Luni
10-29-2007, 04:18 PM
having the bar does not imply you have an lsd. i have had several NON LSD toyota trannys with the bar. i have one in my garage right now that i know for f act is non lsd and has the bar thru it. i have a factory e153 known lsd tranny as well that doesn't have the bar.

that is not a good gauge of wether or not its lsd, because wtih the toyota tranny's some do and some don't. and as for the "double layer splines" my s54 NON LSD n/a tranny has them as well.

there were a total of ZERO camrys and/or solara's sold with lsd from the factory. it wasn't ans still isn't an option. you don't have an lsd tranny, unless its a bizarro aftermarket lsd.

BS on the E153 with the bar thing sir.

If the tranny doesnt have a bar, and it has LSD its aftermarket. TRD LSD might be considered "factory" enough for you to make the claim without the bar, but bottom line, on an E153, if you have the bar, you have FACTORY LSD. If you dont, you dont, or you have aftermarket.

If you have the bar, on an E153, you NEED an LSD driver side inner. If you dont have the bar, you need non LSD axles. Its as simple as that.

Luni
10-29-2007, 04:20 PM
My transmission does have the bar you mentioned.

You can also physically feel the double layer splines of the LSD.

FYI.

Thank you for your interest.


You need a driver side LSD inner stub then. If you have a passenger stub already, it should work fine. Mine did.

mister2dt
10-29-2007, 06:56 PM
call b.s. all you want. i have been thru 20+ trannys for mr2 turbos and i know the difference between trd and factory lsd's.

the simple fact of the matter is, using the bar as a guide to determine if it is factory LSD is a poor way of telling, because not all of them have it. plain and simple. i have had that confirmed with toyota techs as well as tranny specialists, toyota goes thru batches of parts from different manufacturers ,one factory LSD may have a bar and and another may not. its hit and miss.

Luni
10-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Prove it then.

Every single person with a stock LSD over on the MR2 board has confirmed the bar.

My tranny has it, everyone elses Ive ever seen has it.

So the fact that that data supports what Im saying, and Ive never seen anything else to support what youre saying tells me your info cannot be relied upon.

I dont trust transmission shops who dont know shit about my car. And most toyota techs dont know shit about my car either.

So, I dont trust it. Im sorry man. I know what Ive read over all the years of being an MR2 owner (Ive had my car since 2001), and never once have I EVER read about someone with a "confirmed" stock LSD not having the bar.

Every MR2 Ive ever worked on with the stock LSD had the bar. Every owner Ive ever talked to about it had the bar.

All NA transmissions have the bar, and thats not to be trusted in terms of troubleshooting stuff, but again, I want it severly noted that Im somewhat of an expert on this drivetrain. Ive torn multiple Mr2s apart, replaced clutches, engines, etc and never once have I ever seen an LSD transmission that was factory NOT have the bar. Sorry man.

sloceli
10-30-2007, 07:53 PM
S series transmissions have the bar and none of them came stock with a LSD. For the E series and only the E series the presence of the bar indicates a stock lsd. Not so long ago I had in my garage a S53, S54, E150F E153 at the same time. Guess what every one of those trannys had the bar. The E153 was bought from a Toyota Tech who actually knows what he's talking about. He actually ran the vin from the MR2 the transmission was removed from in his fancy little Toyota computer system and verified that the transmission was in fact a LSD equipped unit.

ccsouls
11-03-2007, 02:27 AM
Does anyone know if the splines on the drivers side stub axle (E153) have to be stepped, or if they are just a straight line? (When I say stepped, I mean like a wedding cake)

Thanks.