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warwolf7
09-27-2007, 04:13 PM
Hi guys, I finally found a place to scan my new 150mph gauges faces from the GTS cluster I bought. I saw some guy making an interesting desing

EL gauges (http://member.newsguy.com/~gtfour/gauges.html)

And from tercelonline [EDIT : another site now, since tercelonline deleted all the old thread... pretty stupid IMO]

Simple gauges faces, look nice IMO (http://www.geocities.com/yeaulman/Gauges/Gauges.htm)

Since then, I decided to modded mine. If anyone need these faces in jpeg, I can send them or just add it in the gallery, I'll see. I'm going to go in a printing shop to see if they have any idea where I could find the same material as the stock one and If they can make the same printing.

The theme will be blue, I haven't decided if I will put a background image. The complete Write up will follow when it will be finished. (I'm going to take my time on this, so dont expect to have the write up anytime soon. Maybe after christmas.

Anyone here as done a custom gauges faces?

Serpico
09-27-2007, 05:10 PM
Cool,
I like Denis Heath's, EL ones, but I think I'll pass on having a dodgy screen saver type picture behind my numbers... :)

I did my own a while back, scanned the originals, and made some white dials in MPH, as mine's a JDM 1993. Tried recently to find the images which I scanned at 600DPI and I've lost em, pfff!
Takes some doing in photoshop, I had it so I could adjust every line on the dash and number, all were tied to a centre point each with it's own layer, so you could freely rotate them to get the dials spot on...
I calibrated mine by using a GPS and writing down 10mph, 20mph, so I knew exactly where the needle would be on my old KMs clocks...

Just about to do something similar again myself as I've just bought another set of clocks to modify and play around with off Ebay UK, they should be here in a day or two...

Personally I just want perhaps some nice white dials with a nice clean font, love to go E/L but needs some experimenting with...
I'll also get mine rescanned, if anyone wants the photoshop files when I've done I'll post them up. Hopefully you should be able to load the Photoshop file, then modify the font to suit, and rotate each number (layer) to the exact position you require... If I can work out how to anchor layers again, It'll come back to me once I get cracking on it...

Good luck with yours dude..

Frank...

Maleek
09-28-2007, 02:46 AM
Id love to have the jpeg from somebody for the photoshop please and thanks. one question though, i have a gt, and if i get sent the gts cluster, how would i go about calibrating the speedo?

warwolf7
09-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Id love to have the jpeg from somebody for the photoshop please and thanks. one question though, i have a gt, and if i get sent the gts cluster, how would i go about calibrating the speedo?
no calibrating, gimme your email, I'll send them to you

Yeah, I also love some nice and clean look. I'll see what I can come up with. I did the speedo yesterday (1rst try, I might do a couple of different layout)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2858609
Note that I had the mph speedo and changed it to kmh simply by making line from the center to the kmh written in the center of the speedo and then make the line longer to touch the outside of the circle. I also made the conversion of every 20kph to mph to ensure that the line was correctly place over the mph original position. (does that makes senses? lol, kind of not sure how to explain it in english)

I also extrapolate the speed so that it reads up to 280kph or around 170mph instead of 150mhp :P. I will also change the redline so that it match the motor's redline, that is one the reason I didn't want to buy a glow gauges or indiglo because the redline set for the 5s-fe motor

I think that it could be a good place for everyone to send their picture of what they've achieve here. Only custom gauges faces.

Serpico
09-28-2007, 02:03 PM
Cool...

I like the blue glow around the edge, and the Speed markers, nice..
If your printing them out, you could do a quick test to be sure (Quickish, as you've got to fiddle carefully with replacing the needles) by doing a draft printing and testing it against a GPS device. They could be slightly different if his wheel sizes are different to yours...

Good stuff, I'll work on mine v soon and post a pic...

Frank...

warwolf7
09-28-2007, 02:07 PM
thanks :D I'll was planning on printing a draft before to be sure. Yeah you must be right, I should do a gps test.... but damn I don't have one or know anyone that has one... But now that I think, at worst I'll use another car and compare my speed with his. Good luck with yours

StormyBklyn
09-29-2007, 11:23 PM
Don't suppose anyone has the All Trac gauges (160mph + boost)? I have the reverse EL for my GT, but if someone has the ST185 faces, I would love to play around with those in Photoshop and see what I could come up with.
Thx

Serpico
09-30-2007, 04:17 PM
Will post some St185 Guages soon, as soon as my others arrive, early next week hopefully, then I can attack them with my screwdriver...

Actually, as mine is a JDM, the originals are in KMs, so they only go up to 120MPH (A tad embarrassing), part of my reason for re-design is so I can recalibrate the input to MPH and match the clock odometer to the correct miles. I should end up with MPH clocks, correct mileage reading, and up to 180MPH (or was it 150MPH, will know soon)

I'll be back on thread in a few days with originals scanned, will be hires Jpgs though 300Dpi minimum, not sure If I can directly post them here as they will be quite large, will work out logistics of that when I've scanned all the original guages in..

I'm sure Warwolf7 will be back soon too with some updates...

Laters.

Frank...

Hookecho
09-30-2007, 04:52 PM
those el guages are really cool. i may have to try this myself.

warwolf7
09-30-2007, 05:08 PM
Well, I asked one of my desginer friend to do a draft of what he could do, cause when I look at the gauges I did... The make me think of a Need for speed gauges... I'M looking for a more cleaner look, Might do a few try before I'm happy with the result, If anyone want to propose anything, don't be shy ;)

And for the Gt-s gauge, whoever want it I can send them through hotmail because... there were scan at 600dpi, pretty large (I don't have the time to find a website that host large pictures like that, if someone know of a website that does it, pm me I'll post them there for a easier acces to everyone)

matt

Maleek
09-30-2007, 05:57 PM
so wait, if i got the gt-s guages, i wouldnt have to do anything, just print em on, and slip them over my originals? Sorry for the questions, im new :eek:




no calibrating, gimme your email, I'll send them to you

Yeah, I also love some nice and clean look. I'll see what I can come up with. I did the speedo yesterday (1rst try, I might do a couple of different layout)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2858609
Note that I had the mph speedo and changed it to kmh simply by making line from the center to the kmh written in the center of the speedo and then make the line longer to touch the outside of the circle. I also made the conversion of every 20kph to mph to ensure that the line was correctly place over the mph original position. (does that makes senses? lol, kind of not sure how to explain it in english)

I also extrapolate the speed so that it reads up to 280kph or around 170mph instead of 150mhp :P. I will also change the redline so that it match the motor's redline, that is one the reason I didn't want to buy a glow gauges or indiglo because the redline set for the 5s-fe motor

I think that it could be a good place for everyone to send their picture of what they've achieve here. Only custom gauges faces.

93cc
10-01-2007, 02:03 AM
I'm interested in gauges for the ST185 also...

I can host any of the pictures on my web page... Just email them to me...
http://www.93AllTrac.com/other/emailaddress.gif

warwolf7
10-01-2007, 06:09 AM
so wait, if i got the gt-s guages, i wouldnt have to do anything, just print em on, and slip them over my originals? Sorry for the questions, im new :eek:

Well, if you want to do so, you have to make the hole bigger to pass through the needle ... But if you do so, you will only light the section on you new gauges faces from the parts that were lite on the stock gauges and also loose brightness. I would remove the Stock one and replace it. That's what I will do. But you need to be sure of aware that you will have to replace your needle and adjust them. Good luck

Serpico
10-01-2007, 06:15 PM
I'm interested in gauges for the ST185 also...

I can host any of the pictures on my web page... Just email them to me...
http://www.93AllTrac.com/other/emailaddress.gif

Cool,
This could be mighty useful, I might just take you up on that when I sort them out...
Thanks...

Serpico
10-01-2007, 06:40 PM
Well, if you want to do so, you have to make the hole bigger to pass through the needle ... But if you do so, you will only light the section on you new gauges faces from the parts that were lite on the stock gauges and also loose brightness. I would remove the Stock one and replace it. That's what I will do. But you need to be sure of aware that you will have to replace your needle and adjust them. Good luck

Yeh, indeed good point...

Any printed guages on normal photo paper will not be lit from the back any more, this didn't bother me much, but it's a good point to note..

If it's a draft print, just cut from the outer edge to the inner, won't matter, as it's just a test...

Removing needles is a little tricky also, I used a snap-on hook pick and twisted it under the centre of the needle along with a finger nail oposite (see pic hopefully), if you don't remove it straight upwards, it might possibly bend the pin it's mounted on... Also be very very aware of where your needles were before you remove, possibly take a photo, probably even best to switch on ignition first so the needles settle. If the ignition is off and you remove the needles they will wind anti-clockwise beyond the stop point, so best to put the needles back when you've got your key in and turned to the right, engine off and looking the the pic you took ealier...

Got my extra set of clocks today, so I'll be doing some scanning and modding v soon...

Frank...

93cc
10-02-2007, 04:26 AM
5th Gen gauges provided by WarWolf7 and are posted here:

Speedo and Other (http://www.93alltrac.com/other/Gauges/Speedo%20and%20other%20Celica%20GTS%20Cluster%20Ga uge%20150mph.JPG)

RPM (http://www.93alltrac.com/other/Gauges/RPM%20Celica%20GTS%20Cluster%20Gauge%20150mph.JPG)

warwolf7
10-07-2007, 11:33 PM
Hi guys, I finally found a place to scan my new 150mph gauges faces from the GTS cluster I bought. I saw some guy making an interesting desing

EL gauges (http://member.newsguy.com/~gtfour/gauges.html)



I wanted to know if anyone know what the guy from the site mentionned above is talking about when he says


you'll need to find some backlight paper, which can be hard to find. You can get backlight from http://www.microformatinc.com/
What is backlight paper? any idea?

Serpico
10-08-2007, 12:37 PM
Hi dude,

I looked into that when I read it, I tried hard to find it too but I couldn't. It maybe a very specialise printing medium, I saw a few websites that use it for printing photos, so you can backlight them for that "special" look this maybe where it originated. He mentions though that it was too glossy anyway. but still uses it, but doesn't axactly say what he prints on which film/paper.. I'm actually off today to try to find something similar myself, maybe try out some Overhead Projection Film, if I can get some that is Inkjet compatible, or at least some kind of transparency paper... I also spotted some OHP paper on Ebay so I might have to get some from there...

Failing all, I'm sure some company somwhere would do a specialist print if you present them with the files onto clear vinyl the same way guages are made. But this could be costly, especially seen as it will need some experimenting to get the colours, and amount of ink right... Seems some sort of clear transparency paper may be the way to go, will let you know if I have any success with this, I'll be trying after I've finished modding my guages...

I've been working hard on my guages BTW, and will post some results in the next few days, all scanned, and cleaned, now in middle of modding...

Frank..

Serpico
10-08-2007, 04:28 PM
Hi again,

I found some more info on Backlight Paper, apparantly used in sign making, also found someone who used it to make the marquees on the top of Arcade machines that are backlit...

One product I found was called 3M Scotchcal Marking Film, so I'm currently looking into this stuff, apparantly Injet printable too, comes in most colours, including transparencies, and also comes with adhesive backing...

Here's a website in the UK I found some on...
http://www.williamsmith.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.group&GroupID=9

If you do a Google search for "3M Scotchcal Marking Film" you should find much more info on it...

I just got hold of 50 sheets of 3M Ink Jet Tranparency Film CG3490, it's pretty good stuff. I made a scan of a real carbon fibre sheet, 2x2 twill, and made a repeatable texture from it in Photoshop. Then just printed an A4 test on Photo paper, and on Transparency paper, got to say it's pretty good looking.

I looked for ages to find a "decent" carbon fibre texture, and they are mostly rubbish, look nothing like carbon fibre, the typical, most common one looks like that cheap Carbon Fibre Vinyl sticky stuff. I thought I could make one, much, much better.. So I did, and it looks miles better than that cheap looking stuff. I will post this together with my gauges for anyone to use free of course.

It's not the real thing, but until I have some spare cash, and whilst I'm messing about with my gauges, I thought I'd give the clock surround a Carbon Look, and I think it's pretty successfull... Judge for yourself when I've finished, will post pics, textures etc, this week at some point...

Frank...

Frank...

warwolf7
10-08-2007, 04:52 PM
Wow, that is some amazing stuff :D glad to ear that your project's moving forward. How do you plan to do the "light section"? Are you going to print your layer on the 3m marking film and that's it or you will be doing another one to go under it to cut the light on some part and let the light on other? That where I'm stuck right now. I was thinking of printing the ligthlayer and print on top of it the layer of the custom speedo with the number and graphic. (I'm not sure that inkjet can do that... ) let me know. Thanks for your inputs

MaTT

Serpico
10-08-2007, 06:15 PM
Well,

It's all pretty much experimental at the moment, reading articles like D. Heaths above whom I've followed the progress of his GT4 in the past, and printing some tests to see what happens...

My main aim really was to scan the clocks, re-design them, and simply print them on white photo paper, if that's all I end up doing I'll be happy...

The additional tests with C Fibre look promising, so I'll probably do a clock surround with the texture printed onto either Photo Paper which looks great. Or onto transparency, then have behind it a brushed metal/aluminium vinyl piece, that will give the CF print a nice metalish tinge...

Having seen that post on the EL Gauges, it got me thinking about just trying some Tranparency paper, as I've never used it before & inkjet printing is sooo cheap to do, so I'll just experiment with it and see what gives.

I was sort of hoping I can use (maybe) several transparency layers, to build up light resistance and see how that works out. Then I reaslised I won't have white for the numbers, they'll just be transparent, doh. So hence the need for this fancy Backlight film... This is of course not EL, just aiming to make replacement white gauges that allow light through the numbers and whatever else at night....

All good fun...

Frank...

Conrad_Turbo
10-09-2007, 04:10 PM
Anyone have a .dxf or drawing of the gauge faces? I deal with a few large decal companies and I have specified clear openings for LED's and where visible light has to pass through. Something like gauge faces would be a cinch.

Serpico
10-09-2007, 11:23 PM
Anyone have a .dxf or drawing of the gauge faces? I deal with a few large decal companies and I have specified clear openings for LED's and where visible light has to pass through. Something like gauge faces would be a cinch.

Hi mate,

Sorry I don't deal with Autocad I'm afraid, I only have JPGs, TIFFs, and will have Photoshop layered files soon, each layer will contain a number, and marker, basically every element will have a layer to itself, so it can easily be moved, or the text changed, or the font or colour etc...

Posting pics v soon, been working on and cleaning the scans up for days, all are cleaned, basically pure black background, and pure white markers & numbers, hope these help, ready for using and abusing...

Frank...

Conrad_Turbo
10-11-2007, 02:17 AM
Jpeg's and tiff files are lossy though? With a .dwg or .dxf you have vectors which can be scaleable so you can resize things without having things going blurry. Either way I am interested in seeing pictures. :D

Serpico
10-11-2007, 12:30 PM
Aye indeed,

But I saved them as uncompressed Tiffs, they are 4.2Meg in size, even the Jpgs are saved at maximum image quality setting 12. They don't loose any pixels at all under close examination.
But indeed, not scaleable.
I can post the Jpegs later on today, sorted a photobucket account to host them but it will only hold the Jpgs because the maximum file size hostable is 1Meg. If there is a proggy that converts to vectors they should do quite well, as they are mostly in 2 colours black and white, with red for the red bits...
Let me know what you think when I post them later, and I'll take a look round for programs that convert to vector format....

Frank..

Playfortoday
10-11-2007, 02:21 PM
I didn't read the whole thread, but an old vet trick from 8 years ago when these thing were popular, is to remove the needles by using two teaspoons, one spoon on the exact opposite side as the other, and then apply equal pressure as you pry on both sides. You are guaranteed an easy removal as long as you don't pry under the portion that has the needle.

warwolf7
12-24-2007, 01:11 AM
I finaly did another drawing. I'm a lot more happy with this one. Tell me what you guys think

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/warwolf7/customgaugesfacesSPEEDOBLUELOWRES.jpg
This was the one that needed the biggest amount of time because of the conversion from Mph to Kmh and because of all the little lines I added.

I did contact a store that can make stickers, So I will be looking with them how it turn out when it's enlighted from the back. The question I have right now is : Will the ligth be narrow or diffused? I bet that I'll will need to find something to diffuse it, something like the plastic thing over the neon in public spaces. I'll also look at a printing store to see with what they can come up with. Maybe they can print directly on the transparent plastic.

Well, at least I found how to make the needle stopper. I found a little plastic cover that can be screwed( it used to keep my subwoofer cable kit plastic case screwed together) Looks like a Disposable pen's cap that hold the ink into the pen

warwolf7
12-24-2007, 04:09 AM
And another update, I did the rpm gauges

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/warwolf7/customgaugesfacesRPMBLUELOWRES.jpg

enjoy and tell me what you think, don't be shy ;)

warwolf7
12-26-2007, 11:52 PM
And finally, I did the fuel, batterie and temp gauges templates
[IMG]http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/warwolf7/customgaugesfacesFUEL_BATT_TEMPBLUE.jpg

warwolf7
12-27-2007, 01:20 AM
I finaly understood how the light was diffuse. By looking at the back of the face, each of them have a strange desing of black dot over a light color and the amount of dot is not equal everywhere.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/warwolf7/arriredunedesfaces.jpg
(I know the picture is not really clear, but the black you see if formed from black dot with space between them to let the light go through) If you place the face in his case over the light, you could see that where there is more dot it's because it's near the lightbulb and where there is less dot or no dots, it's because the area is far from a light. This method allow the light to have the same "force" everywhere. That way it's diffused. And for the front of the faces, The darker the color, the less light is going through. Well, I hope I helped you enough with the science of printing.
So In conclusion, you do need a medium to print on. you could print it on normal paper, but the thicker the sheet the more it will block light. That's why I would recommend translucid acetate (not sure of the word). I'm currently looking with a shop to print it on a sticker. I just asked him to give me an example of what it might look like

Matt

warwolf7
09-08-2009, 03:40 PM
however... My celica is gone, so this project is dead. I Hope it helped someone or gave ideas to someone. It was never printed

Good luck with your celica