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3S-GTE_Man
02-06-2005, 11:40 AM
yeah i ran a shity 15.8 at 90mph at 11-12psi and about 170hp@ wheels about stock power!

i'm pissed cause a same powered mr2 will run a mid-low 14 stock and also a another 4th gen 3s-gte swap in aussie ran a 15.18 on 6psi....also a another 4th gen 3s-gte on a local mod site ran a 13.7 when making 185-190hp @ wheels only 20 more than me and all these swaps running the s-53,s-54 box!

i know my lauching is shit and that..but what am i doing wrong???

http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559

this is the link to the orginal thread in the aussie forums aobut this there more detail about my runs and if u agree with any of there reply's

thank you guys in advance for any info and addvice

Sean
02-06-2005, 09:33 PM
Give us the rundown on your time slip, your mods, and the weather.

Your ET's are low by about 10mph.....

3S-GTE_Man
02-07-2005, 09:47 AM
60ft 2.521
330ft 6.860
660ft 10.368
MPH 70.73
KPH 113.83
1000ft 13.308
E.T 15.799
MPH 90.18
KPH 145.13

mods are k&n filter pod/cone...boost at 11/12psi on high boost and 7-8psi on low boost setting....122 kw or 165hp @ wheels @ 10psi

Sean
02-07-2005, 07:23 PM
You seem to be down on about 30 hp, perhaps you need to check up on some maintenance! Make sure your plugs and wires are in good order, as well as your dizzy rotor and cap. Then, i would do a compression check, as well as look around for various boost leaks that could be hurting you. You should be sitting much closer to 190hp.

Yes, your 60 foot is what absolutely killed you. Get that down to a 2.0 second 60 foot time, and you will knock down your ET by roughly 1.2 seconds.

Hot day?

3S-GTE_Man
02-08-2005, 11:08 AM
the plugs are brand new iridium NGK and leads are new.dizzy cap is cleaned and filed back and no i think american dynos show extra....cause i a mr2 site they go u should make 160-170hp @ wheels standard which is about right cause the rule of thumb for a FWD and RWD car is that the power the engine makes at the flywheel in KW (Kilowatts) is the power she well make at the wheels in hp (horse power)! so a JDm st185 engien comes with 165kw @ the engine/flywheel thus my 165hp at the wheels ont he dyno is right and yeah..she had 10psi and the t-vsv on at the time of dyno..... but now no t-vsv and 11-12psi......so yeah...

Sean
02-08-2005, 05:44 PM
There are no "american" dynometers. Your car should be putting down somewhere in the 180's. I put down an even 200 with 11ps and similiar mods.

The crank rating on your engine is 225, theres no way you should be losing 65hp through the drivetrain.

carlosfandango
02-11-2005, 12:54 AM
dude for those mods that sounds about right.

to shave half a second, with the car cold - that means keep the ignition off untill the last moment, start her up, with just half a gallon in the fuel tank - or running on the red, get her up to the line slowly without boosting, when you get to the line, hand brake on rev her up to five thousand RPM, raise the clutch and hold it on the engaged edge of the biting point, keep the revs constant, at the changing of the lights, quickly release the clutch whilst dropping the hand brake and giving full hrottle, when you launch it should be harsh and aggressive, it will shock you the first time, by this time - you need second at sixty five hundred rpm's.

clutch changes must be sharp, direct and light, pure motion.

the long debated should i pop it into fourth for the finish line, well i reckon woth your mods your 3rd gear height of power will be dipping, so 4th may give more boost. the boost gauge should only come off full when changing up.

Do that and you are putting it to its limit, the point of dragging.

Can yours withstand that? you may get a fifteen two.

Project5sgtze
03-08-2005, 05:36 AM
15? ouch


makes your skin crawl to know a stock ws6 with some good tires and a good driver can get 10's...

3S-GTE_Man
03-10-2005, 01:19 PM
ws6 WTF is that....

BraveUlysses
03-11-2005, 01:47 AM
15? ouch


makes your skin crawl to know a stock ws6 with some good tires and a good driver can get 10's...

Maybe in the 1/8 but no way in the 1/4.

carlosfandango
03-16-2005, 12:43 AM
2001 Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am WS6 specs

Curb Weight: 3417 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 5665 cc
Horsepower: 325 bhp @ 5200 rpm
Torque: 350 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 6000 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 5.0 sec

at that curb weight i reckon 13.5 seconds stock.

considering a monster modded St205 can hit 11 seconds - i very much doubt a stock wr6 will do 10 secs out of the box.

worth finding out though i guess.

carlosfandango
03-16-2005, 12:48 AM
further research proves -

Modded ws6 - supercharged and 100hp nitrous' 2002 ws6 runs a 9.430 sec 1/4 mile http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-Trans-Am-Timeslip-5292.html

more or less stock 1998 ws6 runs 13.6 seconds http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-Trans-Am-Timeslip-3858.html

Edit - stock 2002 spec is 13.6 1/4 mile, that means the guy who spent bucks on his 98 ws6 on the header and intake gained little. http://www.engine-power.com/pontiac/firebird_ws6.html

carlosfandango
03-16-2005, 12:55 AM
ws6 WTF is that....

it's only 0.7 seconds faster out of the box than my cheap ST185 - that's what it is.

3S-GTE_Man
03-16-2005, 11:54 AM
yeah they got LS1's right????

in australia we got them engine with that power in the family up spec sedan called SS Commodores the two door version of the ss commodore is our new monaro (we had old school monaro's in the 60-70's) and the new monaro is your new pontiac GTO....any ways yeah our family 3900lb car with that engine and power i beat in a roll-on race....so yeah it just my shit launching and fear of breaking something cause the drag strip is so far away and i got no money...lol!!!