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hobbie2k
04-05-2007, 07:04 PM
Just lookin' for some 2nd gen pics and reading through wikipedia, and apparently not only did the Supra start life as a Celica spin-off, but so did the Camry...

Look in the 2nd gen portion just to the right of the series B pic.

Wikipedia Toyota Celica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Celica)

In 1980, a four-door version was announced, known as the Toyota Celica Camry. This model was a Toyota Carina with a Celica front end. The Camry was spun off as its own model two years later.

alltracman78
04-05-2007, 11:47 PM
Hm

I've never heard that....
Not that it means it's not true.

But I don't trust Wikipedia much. They aren't the most reliable source...

Hiko
04-06-2007, 12:13 AM
It's true. Check out this (http://classic-celica.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11990&highlight=celica+camry) thread where somebody found one in a junkyard.

Pretty interesting seeing the only four door celica model out there.

alltracman78
04-06-2007, 12:18 AM
Damn....
That's pretty nifty.

andy
04-06-2007, 12:59 AM
truly nifty

Hookecho
04-06-2007, 01:21 AM
zing!

grayscale
04-06-2007, 01:43 AM
Um, yea, I wouldn't exactly call that a Celica front end but okay. I've heard of them before but that's the first I've seen.

PhillyDRFT
04-06-2007, 02:56 AM
Um, yea, I wouldn't exactly call that a Celica front end but okay. I've heard of them before but that's the first I've seen.

I wouldent say the Celica Supra looks much like a supra ither, but still part of the family.

grayscale
04-06-2007, 03:16 AM
I wouldent say the Celica Supra looks much like a supra ither, but still part of the family.
That's because it was a Celica Supra, not a Supra Celica. The Celica is the firstborn, apparently the Supras and Camrys are just bastards :bigthumbu

PhillyDRFT
04-06-2007, 03:20 AM
That's because it was a Celica Supra, not a Supra Celica. The Celica is the firstborn, apparently the Supras and Camrys are just bastards :bigthumbu

haha damn your terminology! http://images.nicoclub.com/forums/images/smilies/bunnycake.gif

grayscale
04-06-2007, 03:23 AM
Bunnycake?

PhillyDRFT
04-06-2007, 03:27 AM
Bunnycake?

older interweb joke "I have no idea what you're talking about so heres a bunny with a pancake on it's head"

grayscale
04-06-2007, 03:33 AM
http://images.nicoclub.com/forums/images/smilies/bunnycake.gif
"I have no idea what you're talking about so heres a bunny with a pancake on it's head"

Thats pretty funny...lookin.:D

Murgatroy
04-06-2007, 11:09 AM
I had read somewhere about the Celica Camry. Much like the Corolla Tercel. And of course the Celica Supra. Many cars are spin-offs. You adapt a name to a market, it breeds brand loyalty. I think it is a spiffy looking car myself. I wonder where I could find one, or the bastard off breeds that might have come to the NADM.

Hookecho
04-06-2007, 01:50 PM
lol! a bunny with a pancake on its head.

Cavanagh
04-06-2007, 07:35 PM
i just am not a big fan of how the 2nd gen looks.

hobbie2k
04-06-2007, 11:24 PM
i just am not a big fan of how the 2nd gen looks.

Really? I think the second gen series B coupe is the best looking Celica ever (though I don't like the hatchbacks).

The 2nd gen has just got some nice smooth lines, is well proportioned, and doesn't have the visual mass of most of the later Celicas. I suppose you could say I've never been a huge fan of the organic styling popular in the early 90s and used on the 5th and 6th gen celicas and the 4th gen Supra.

Just for fun:

2nd Gens!

http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/celica1.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/CELFRNT.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/img07.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/celica5.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/DAVECEL.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/mycar_club4agmeet.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/img06.jpg

And just for fun, here's one with a 22rte:
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/22rte3.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/22rteu2.jpg
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/22rteu4.jpg

grayscale
04-07-2007, 04:30 AM
2nd gens are my favorite of all the rwd gens.
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/5/3/3/2/kjzhg.bmp

Hiko
04-07-2007, 04:54 AM
I'm honestly glad you guys like those 2nd gens. IMO, they are the least pretty celicas ever made. But hey, to each their own, eh?

grayscale
04-07-2007, 05:03 AM
I like 'em because I feel they are the easiest Celica platform of all gens to work with. They are one of the lightest and can easily be made lighter. The engine bay has mass amounts of extra room and the aerodynamics(what there is) are much better than the first gen. They can also be outfitted with the IRS and lsd from the 1st gen supras, (which are pretty much the same thing with a bit more weight)
Among other things.

Hiko
04-07-2007, 06:02 AM
I was just talking about aesthetics, really.

As far as technicals go, the first gen has everything you just mentioned going for it except for the aerodynamics, which, as you said, is a minimal difference. The engine bay is huge, the heaviest 1st gen is a 77 lb ( :( ) weighing in at around 2400, and anything can be retrofitted with IRS with a welder and time.

BTW, the 1st gen supra doesn't have IRS. It's solid rear-end is a common swap for 1st and 2nd gens due to the LSD and disk brakes.

Not knocking you, just sticking up for my preference ;)

alltracman78
04-07-2007, 12:38 PM
HA

One huge weakness.

They weren't available in AWD. :D

85gtsblackman
04-07-2007, 12:42 PM
you guys just found this out, its been found on classic celica and the 3rd gen boards long ago


:old:



BTW, the 1st gen supra doesn't have IRS. It's solid rear-end is a common swap for 1st and 2nd gens due to the LSD and disk brakes.


and the 3rd gen gt and st...and with fabbing the 85-95 toyota truck

yeah 2nd gen is ok cause its rwd i just dont like the gm like body

3rd gen gt-s = best all out platfourm to work with, its basicly a 4cyl celica supra

grayscale
04-07-2007, 03:53 PM
Yes it does, some of them at least. I used to be on classicelica. I swapped a '79 Supra rear to my '78 about 8yrs ago.:D

Hookecho
04-07-2007, 04:19 PM
2nd gen = ick!

Hiko
04-07-2007, 07:29 PM
Yes it does, some of them at least. I used to be on classicelica. I swapped a '79 Supra rear to my '78 about 8yrs ago.:D

I am currently on classic-celica.com, and I've never heard of an IRS MKI supra. I've also never heard of IRS being an option on the same trim of car.

Any specific details on the swap? Any pictures?


you guys just found this out, its been found on classic celica and the 3rd gen boards long ago

Just found what out? I've known everything I just posted about for a long time actually.


and the 3rd gen gt and st...and with fabbing the 85-95 toyota truck
3rd gen gt-s = best all out platfourm to work with, its basicly a 4cyl celica supra

I did forget about the 3rd gen being swappable,too. Good catch.
However, I disagree with you about the 3rd gen GT-S being the best to start with. As far as just doing standard bolt on modifications, yes, the 3rd gen will have a slight advantage. But it is about 250lbs heavier than my car, and 600lbs heavier than 71-72 coupes. Don't forget either, that these celicas share a lot of suspension components with the AE86, so getting these cars to handle, even with the solid rear, is not a huge feat.
If we start talking about more serious modifications (engine swaps and the like), then the advantage of weight starts playing a larger role, hence why I prefer the 1st gens.
And although I love the lines of your car, I still prefer the looks of a 1st gen.

85gtsblackman
04-08-2007, 12:32 PM
well suspension wise IF u DONT go full coil over...

tokico illuminas front and rear
dobson springs front and rear
front and rear swaybars...forgot brand...
impact 6 front strut bar
supra_wes rear strut bar (if u have a hb)
cressida front brake conversion
ebc green stuff pads or kvr pads or axxis metal master
goodridge lines
15x8 or 16x7 or x8 sportmax 002 wheels
whiteline bushing kit or pst bushing kit
rear camber adjustment mod (irs only)

your done....this is for a 3rd gen....so not hard u just gotta know what to do

oh btw impact 6 has some 1st and 2nd gen front strut bars left for sale for 75 shipped anywhere

1990CelicaGT-S
04-08-2007, 02:24 PM
I like the 2nd gens.

geebes
04-08-2007, 04:11 PM
2nd gens are some of the better looking cars for thier time especially...i've seen some ugly ones from that era.


Could you imagine if they made a 4 door 5th gen celica camry?

1990CelicaGT-S
04-08-2007, 05:33 PM
No, and I wouldn't want to.

Hiko
04-08-2007, 05:53 PM
oh btw impact 6 has some 1st and 2nd gen front strut bars left for sale for 75 shipped anywhere

Oh man, if I wasn't pretty sure it wouldn't fit over the 7m, I'd be all over that :( Just for the record though, can I get a link to this? I did search, but couldn't seem to find it.

Thanks for the heads up :)

geebes
04-08-2007, 11:42 PM
No, and I wouldn't want to.
Te-he.